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Subject: Who would win a space battle, Star Wars or Halo?


Posted by: mojeda101
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One Empire destroyer can pretty much take on about 5 Super Carriers, yes you heard me, Super Carriers, which are the biggest Covenant ships in the galaxy, bigger than the super star destroyer in Return of the Jedi. The Empire simply has far better weaponry, 1 turbo-laser has the equal velocity of a super MAC canon 6 times over, add to the fact that the destroyer has 8 of them!

Covenant is doomed, easy.



Since movie cannon overides all of SW technology.... how come we don't see it?


Don't see what...?
That the actual blasts themselves do not equate to the energy they are said to have?


Technically they do, armor in Star Wars is far superior to the Halo Titanium-A armor, don't get me technical here, I can give you a nice post of about 10,000 characters on all this.


Nope, that's overriden by the movies too.

1) An iron asteroid pulverizes a Destroyer in Ep. V. Definitely not 300,000 times stronger then steel.

2) AT-ST's get wrecked by swinging logs, or tripped up by them.

And there was another one but I can't rightly remember where.

  • 03.05.2011 6:59 AM PDT

An asteroid bigger then the Destroyer's bridge tower. It did NO damage to the rest of the ship.

AT-ST doesn't have capital-ship grade armor.

  • 03.05.2011 7:02 AM PDT
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Cowbell.

I think the fact that precursor ships are indestructible kind of ends the battle right there, considering that Star Wars doesn't have a halo, being the only thing that CAN destroy it.

  • 03.05.2011 7:08 AM PDT


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Never said anything about human technology.


I do not have much information on Covenant armaments although I know how much it can take. Give me a minute.

An Imperial II Star Destroyer has 8 main octuple barreled guns, but it has 36 other turbolasers scattered across it's surface, and that doesn't include the 100+ point defense guns.

An SMAC like the kind on Cairo Station has 9x the firepower of a regular shipboard MAC, and can punch through nearly any covenant ship and come out the other side, and into another covenant ship if there is one behind it.

While the firepower of each individual Turbolaser on an Imperial II is unknown, the overall firepower can be determined using it's reactor power, which is 9,280,000,000,000 terawatts.

Also, and a shipboard MAC gun is roughly 50,000 megatons per shot, than it is only 1/4 the strength of a Turbolaser shot from an Acclamator, which has 12 guns and has a firing rate of roughly 30-60 shots per minute with a range of 180,000,000km.

The Venator entry in the Cross sections books states that any true warship in star wars can redirect all of it's reactor power to the weapons if necessary, however we will assume it normally applies 1/3rd of this power to weapons, with the other 2/3rds of power being distributed amongst shields and engines.

This means that an ISDII can dish out roughly 740,000,000 megatons per second spread across it's guns.

put another way, that's 50,000,000,000x the power of hiroshima every second.

Meanwhile the MAC Gun is much weaker, shorter range and much lower rate of fire.

It takes the Covenant an entire fleet to glass a planet, a single star destroyer can achieve that in less time.

ISDII shields are designed to be able to withstand a full half an hour of another ISDII pounding the hell out of em with everything it's got.

Turbolasers can track ships up to 180,000,000 km away (roughly 10 light minutes) so their range is an order of magnitude higher.

If the regular MAC guns have a firing rate similar to Cairo Station, than a Turbolaser on an ISDII has roughly 250,000x the firepower of a MAC gun on average and 83,000x the firepower of the pillar of autumn type, multiplied by 44 for each of the ISDIIs.

Covenant Ships can't withstand 3 MAC's, Do you honestly think they can survive something 4 times stronger with dozens throughout the ship? Please...

Just to add to the Hyperspace and Slip Space thing...

Hyperdrive is faster than Covenant Slipspace, Covenant ships can reach 912 light years per day but Hyperdrive can travel 100,000 light years per day if not faster depending on the grade and route.

Checkmate my friend.


For you unfortunatly
All the haloverse needs is one precursor warship and you and your entire fleets are through.


I laughed, do you have any information this ship? Covenant can easily take down Forerunner, and you say they can't take down Precursor's?

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Wtf are you high???
GTFO AND LEARN SOME FACTS....


Indeed, this guy's oblivious.

Listen guy.... The entire Elite fleet--shooting multimegaton plasma torpedoes--could not even damage the smallest and weakest Forerunner ship in Forerunner history, the Keyship. NOTHING has ever even scratched it.

Their smallest ships are said to be able to destroy planets, Death Star style (judging from the name Planet Breaker). They have ships who's power is evidently 100X as powerful (in Halo, size=power) as these Planet Breakers.

And what's more, again, judging from the evidence in Cryptum, before the Flood War, the Forerunners had as many warships as the CIS had Battle Droids. This is based off of how the Forerunners could still spare several trillion warships for one fleet guarding a world that had nothing to do with the Flood at the ending years of the Flood war.

So its one of these for every ONE of these

And now you say the Star Wars factions can defeat the Precursors? You must not come on here often, for if you did, then you'd know that the Precursors are invincible. Wars does not have the weapons to defeat the Precursors, only Halo does.

  • 03.05.2011 7:11 AM PDT

I haven't read Cryptum, but if you are telling me Precursors are invincible, then how did the Forerunners defeat them and wipe them out?

  • 03.05.2011 7:15 AM PDT

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Did anyone even read my reply?
HALO ARRAY = GAME OVER for Star Wars

Slipspace > Hyperspace

Slipspace allowes for safe space travel without the risk of hitting a planet, it's also considerably faster (Slipspace could possibly reach speeds where it could take a few seconds to travel from one galaxy to another...)

The fact is, in Halo you have intergalactic travel, that is something the Star Wars series has never even come close to.

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  • 03.05.2011 7:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
An asteroid bigger then the Destroyer's bridge tower. It did NO damage to the rest of the ship.

AT-ST doesn't have capital-ship grade armor.


1. A-Wings smashing into SSD's bridges can cause the entire ship to crash and burn.

2. irrelevent, it is obviouse already that a walker wouldn't have capitol ship armor, yet your "great empire" can still be destroyed by nature.

  • 03.05.2011 7:17 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
An asteroid bigger then the Destroyer's bridge tower. It did NO damage to the rest of the ship.

AT-ST doesn't have capital-ship grade armor.


I just watched the movie yesterday. That asteroid was no larger then 20 meters in diameter. It hit the bridge's side, making it look larger, but it was in fact, NOT bigger then a few meters.

Plus consider that the Captain of the Executor was warning Vader that "considering the ammount of damage we've sustained they [Millenium Falcon] must've been destroyed."

The whole fleet was concerned about the field, and rightfully so. It kicked there asses. And everyone of them was made of iron and nickel.

NOT 300,000 X stronger then steel.

And I know AT-ST's don't have battleship plating, but every metal object in Star Wars i made of durasteel. Even shipping crates.

So tell me. AT-ST's just happen to be the only thing in the universe not made of durasteel?

Then there's the AT-TE's from the battle of Geonosis. Conventional missiles could pulverize them. Not 300,000X stronger then steel.

A heavy blaster bolt that creates no larger of an effect then a C4 charge fired from an AT-AT managed to one shot a Rebel Snow-Fighter. Its armor wasn't 300,000X stronger then steel.

The Invisible Hand was eviscerated by atmospheric reeentry. It was previously damaged, but a metal 300,000X stronger then steel should've been able to hold from having the ship get cleaved in two by merely atmosphere reentry.

Blaster bolts can take chunks out of durasteel, but they can't blow Leia's arm clean off when she's hit with one.

Want me to go on? The movies override the EU. The movie's clearly state time and time again that Wars isn't that powerful

  • 03.05.2011 7:24 AM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
An asteroid bigger then the Destroyer's bridge tower. It did NO damage to the rest of the ship.

AT-ST doesn't have capital-ship grade armor.


1. A-Wings smashing into SSD's bridges can cause the entire ship to crash and burn.

2. irrelevent, it is obviouse already that a walker wouldn't have capitol ship armor, yet your "great empire" can still be destroyed by nature.


1. A-wing smashed through the windows into the CONTROL center of the ship. And this was after an entire FLEET had been pounding on it for a good bit. Secondary control wasn't established and the super star destroyed collided with the Death star.

2. Yes, because SCOUT walkers were felled by simple traps, that means everything they have sucks right? Cause that is what the AT-ST is, a scout walker. That log trick? Wouldn't work on an AT-TE or an AT-AT.

Edit: To counter the last post, AT-ST's have much thinner armor then other ships or walkers.

AT-TE's weren't being destroyed by a simple missile from a rocket launcher. They were being destroyed by droids launching anti-armor and anti-air missiles.

Second edit: I'm not the one saying the armor is insanely better then UNSC plating. I'm saying the armors are different.

Even then, we have two completely different universes, why are we trying to compare them? I mean, the one guy points out how powerful the star destroyer is and gets a response of "Halo wins." We have never been told how powerful the plasma torpedo is, only that it can melt through most of a ship.

[Edited on 03.05.2011 7:30 AM PST]

  • 03.05.2011 7:25 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I haven't read Cryptum, but if you are telling me Precursors are invincible, then how did the Forerunners defeat them and wipe them out?


Because the Forerunners have access to Neural Weaponry, something ONLY Halo has. Halo is a Neural Weapon. It targets the living essence of the universe, or consiousness, to kill. Its the only weapon known to history that can do harm to the Precursors.

You could throw a star at a Precursor ship but it'd do no damage.

  • 03.05.2011 7:27 AM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
An asteroid bigger then the Destroyer's bridge tower. It did NO damage to the rest of the ship.

AT-ST doesn't have capital-ship grade armor.


1. A-Wings smashing into SSD's bridges can cause the entire ship to crash and burn.

2. irrelevent, it is obviouse already that a walker wouldn't have capitol ship armor, yet your "great empire" can still be destroyed by nature.


1. A-wing smashed through the windows into the CONTROL center of the ship. And this was after an entire FLEET had been pounding on it for a good bit. Secondary control wasn't established and the super star destroyed collided with the Death star.

2. Yes, because SCOUT walkers were felled by simple traps, that means everything they have sucks right? Cause that is what the AT-ST is, a scout walker. That log trick? Wouldn't work on an AT-TE or an AT-AT.

Edit: To counter the last post, AT-ST's have much thinner armor then other ships or walkers.

AT-TE's weren't being destroyed by a simple missile from a rocket launcher. They were being destroyed by droids launching anti-armor and anti-air missiles.

Second edit: I'm not the one saying the armor is insanely better then UNSC plating. I'm saying the armors are different.

Even then, we have two completely different universes, why are we trying to compare them? I mean, the one guy points out how powerful the star destroyer is and gets a response of "Halo wins." We have never been told how powerful the plasma torpedo is, only that it can melt through most of a ship.


300,000X stronger then steel is rediculous though, no matter how you or anyone tries to rationilize it.

A mideval knight wearing durasteel chain-mail would have something like the equal to 952 meters of regular armor (this is just me trying to remember a post calculating this, not 100% accurate). An anti-airacraft missile would bounce off of a durasteel ship, or walker. And yet rifles and pistols can take chunks out of it....but not a human arm.

There are simply too many contradictions in the Wars movies for the armor strength and the weapon strength to have any validity in the Wars canon policy.

Oh yeah. We've calculated the plasma torps effectiveness before. It seems it depends on the size of the ship. A regular CCS class cruiser shoots torps that equal a Tsar bomb ( play Reach, watch the plasma bombs getting dropped on the babhd catha ice shelf) where as an Assault Carrier can vaporize a 3 kilometer long asteroid with just one malfunctioning shot.

Comparre that to the same calculation in Wars, that stated the Destroyers could shoot terratons because they could vaporize a 20 meter asteroid with one shot.

3 kilometer>>>20 meters.

I'm terrified of what a SUPERcarrier could do....

[Edited on 03.05.2011 7:45 AM PST]

  • 03.05.2011 7:42 AM PDT

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Better is a relative term.

Spartans vs Slone soldiers, who do you think would upper hand?

Personally, i believe that the spartans, with their individually modified (and better) gear, has a very good chance against the SW Clones.

Even if the Spartans were to be outnumbered significantly.

  • 03.05.2011 8:02 AM PDT

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Guys, most of you underestimate the star wars factions. Its true. In the many star wars books there are some cazy powerful stuff. In fact you can't really compare the two since the star wars galaxys are MUCH bigger then the halo one. Basicly star wars just has more than halo.

  • 03.05.2011 8:02 AM PDT

Star Wars is set in a galaxy far... far away. And Halo is what? Set in a time I don't think will exist?

  • 03.05.2011 8:09 AM PDT


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Guys, most of you underestimate the star wars factions. Its true. In the many star wars books there are some cazy powerful stuff. In fact you can't really compare the two since the star wars galaxys are MUCH bigger then the halo one. Basicly star wars just has more than halo.


This is true of course. It has more aliens, weapons and ships and such then the known Haloverse. We just like doing this comparison because its fun.

But then it got pretty simple when Cryptum was released and we learned that the Precursors can't be killed by Star Wars, or that the Forerunners had more ships then the CIS had droids (and more planets then the Galactic Empire had ships). The Forerunners alone would cause Wars--the canon Wars--to break a significant sweat. The Yuuzhan Vong would sh1t themselves against the Forerunners.

But then the Forerunners could simply detonate the Coruscant system's star and be done with it. No Jedi, no government, nothing to give the Clones orders, etc.

Or they could stealth the Array into the Wars galaxy and detonate.

Or scramble the entire galaxy by manipulating the galaxy's axis.

Then there's the Flood, Assembly, Precursors...

There are just too many ways Halo could win within a span of an hour for this fight to be really anything but a slaughter, especially in the light of the movie canon>>>all policy.

  • 03.05.2011 8:11 AM PDT

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Put Cortana, Cole, and Rtas 'Vadum on a Supercarrier. Game over.

Or, y'know, Forerunners and Precursors.

[Edited on 03.05.2011 9:12 AM PST]

  • 03.05.2011 9:09 AM PDT

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I think High Charity alone with it's endless supply of ships and troops could rival The Death Star in both power and durability, or the Unyielding Hierophant too, I mean, that freaking station had like 500 cruisers, destroyers and other types of ships, imagine how much troops were residing there?

  • 03.05.2011 9:16 AM PDT


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I think High Charity alone with it's endless supply of ships and troops could rival The Death Star in both power and durability, or the Unyielding Hierophant too, I mean, that freaking station had like 500 cruisers, destroyers and other types of ships, imagine how much troops were residing there?


High Charity wasn't a battle-station, it was a city...

  • 03.05.2011 9:35 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Still, One would imagine that with the little energy it used from the Forerunner Dreadnought that it would have enough shields and fire power to rival the death star. Besides, it's not like anything (besides the flood outbreak) could do anything to it, considering the humongous fleet that defended the citadel, which consisted of hundreds of carriers, destroyers and cruisers and innumerable dropships, fighters and ground troops.

  • 03.05.2011 9:41 AM PDT
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So, to win the Star Wars vs Halo scenario...Halo has to bring in ancient unthinkable technology?


Ok then. Meet Centerpoint station. Its weapon is a tractor beam. It can wipe out starfleets across the galaxy, no movement required. If that doesn't work...it can throw a sun at you. Yeah good luck vs a sun.

Or we can work with the The Sun Crusher which is another over powered Star Wars space vehicle. Its a little gnat of a ship that is virtually indestructible to begin with, but then it can fly into suns anyway. Woo for instantly destroying any ship with its torpedoes.

Here's a Star Forge for all the infinite forces needed. Sure the Forrunners have a lot, and have indestructible ships, but the Starforge has infinite ships. Infinite ships eventually win.

For arguments sake....we get Thrawn. It is debatable how useful he is, but the Halo universe doesn't have a character who is equal, leaving it up to probable assumption that Star Wars then gets the better tactics as well.


As an aside...Halo's don't work in this scenario, because Halos kill everything. There is no winner.

[Edited on 03.05.2011 10:55 AM PST]

  • 03.05.2011 10:47 AM PDT


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So, to win the Star Wars vs Halo scenario...Halo has to bring in ancient unthinkable technology?


Ok then. Meet Centerpoint station. Its weapon is a tractor beam. It can wipe out starfleets across the galaxy, no movement required. If that doesn't work...it can throw a sun at you. Yeah good luck vs a sun.

Or we can work with the The Sun Crusher which is another over powered Star Wars space vehicle. Its a little gnat of a ship that is virtually indestructible to begin with, but then it can fly into suns anyway. Woo for instantly destroying any ship with its torpedoes.

Here's a Star Forge for all the infinite forces needed. Sure the Forrunners have a lot, and have indestructible ships, but the Starforge has infinite ships. Infinite ships eventually win.

For arguments sake....we get Thrawn. It is debatable how useful he is, but the Halo universe doesn't have a character who is equal, leaving it up to probable assumption that Star Wars then gets the better tactics as well.


As an aside...Halo's don't work in this scenario, because Halos kill everything. There is no winner.


Everything about this is irrelivant.

For starters, the Forerunners could designate specific targets using the Halo. If they wanted they could sterilize a planet, to a galaxy, or an entire fleet. But it doesn't HAVE to be a galaxy.

They also evidently can survive the Halo effect if they're on the Ring, but I'm not sure.

They can be piloted by AIs, so no need to sacrifice anyone.

Also: Centerpoint Station. The Flood infect a high ranking Wars officer. They then know where it is.

They take a ship to the Centerpoint to infect it.

If this fails, the Precursors just eviscerate it. Or the UNSC drops a NOVA bomb right next to it from slipspace. Or the Forerunners slipspace it into the nearest star.

Suncrusher: It detonates a star next to a Halo starport base. All of the Halo's ships are destroyed except for a mildly annoyed Precursor ship. Precursors kill the pilot with a Neural Weapon. They can either

A) destroy it

or B) use it against Wars.

For this discussion, they destroy it. Don't need it anyway. The Forerunners used stars as stellar grenades all the time witrh just normal ships and fleets.

Thrawn: TBH, he can't really hide from the UNSC. If Halo knows where he is, the UNSC can nuke him from slipspace. Or the Precursors could kill him, but either way.

Thrawn, despite his tactical genius, can do nothing to the Precursors.

Oh yeah, the Forge. Do you really want to feed an infinite number of ships to the Flood? By that same token, do you really want to feed an infinite number of clones to the Flood?

Or the Forerunners could just nova the star it sits atop. This is all provided they know where it is, but still. Nothing it can churn out can damage the Precursors.

[Edited on 03.05.2011 11:07 AM PST]

  • 03.05.2011 11:03 AM PDT

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As an aside...Halo's don't work in this scenario, because Halos kill everything. There is no winner.


That's what the Ark and the Shield worlds are for... The forerunners also developed "slipspace capsules" which allowed you to survive the blast. Similiar to what the gray team and the didact were stored in.

  • 03.05.2011 11:14 AM PDT
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I like the Mk V armor.

Considering the UNSC can manipulate worm holes and toss Novas in the UNSC or Covenant don't have to worry about fighting up close.

And in a space battle, it seems UNSC ships move much faster than SW ships while not in FTL or Slipspace.

The covenant can just shoot once and wipe out any ship in the Republic/Imperial fleet.

And Remember this, we can just contact Monitors on other Halos and have them combat your droids. The sentinels have unlimited numbers like the droids, but much better weaponry and are actually smart. They can also move their bases directly over Droid bases, and have millions of sentinels take care of all the Droids, and easily Jedi considering they are a never ending force.

You bring the flood in, they wipe out every soldier on the battlefield. They can take care of much more advanced races.

A single mac round is gonna tear threw any Star Wars ship, so say goodbye to the Death Star(s). And if we can't get them close enough, we send a single pelican, it lands, we either plant a bomb or AI, either taking over the Death Star or blowing it to hell, taking the fleet with it.

And if we are having the entire SW universe, we get the entire Halo universe. Percussors, Forerunners, Hundreds of Spartans, a unified jiralhanae, Sangheili fleets, hundreds if not thousands of orbital mac platforms.

Most people are thinking of the Halo universe of a beat up galaxy, but in all reality we have the most powerful universe ever made.

  • 03.05.2011 11:17 AM PDT

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I am a fan of Halo and star wars but one thing decides witch one would win. it is that star wars revolves around being a move. Incredibly invincible infinite ships don't make good movies but they make good games so that is why Halo has the technology to beat star wars.

[Edited on 03.05.2011 11:22 AM PST]

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I like the Mk V armor.


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Posted by: Spage
So, to win the Star Wars vs Halo scenario...Halo has to bring in ancient unthinkable technology?


Ok then. Meet Centerpoint station. Its weapon is a tractor beam. It can wipe out starfleets across the galaxy, no movement required. If that doesn't work...it can throw a sun at you. Yeah good luck vs a sun.

Or we can work with the The Sun Crusher which is another over powered Star Wars space vehicle. Its a little gnat of a ship that is virtually indestructible to begin with, but then it can fly into suns anyway. Woo for instantly destroying any ship with its torpedoes.

Here's a Star Forge for all the infinite forces needed. Sure the Forrunners have a lot, and have indestructible ships, but the Starforge has infinite ships. Infinite ships eventually win.

For arguments sake....we get Thrawn. It is debatable how useful he is, but the Halo universe doesn't have a character who is equal, leaving it up to probable assumption that Star Wars then gets the better tactics as well.


As an aside...Halo's don't work in this scenario, because Halos kill everything. There is no winner.


Everything about this is irrelivant.

For starters, the Forerunners could designate specific targets using the Halo. If they wanted they could sterilize a planet, to a galaxy, or an entire fleet. But it doesn't HAVE to be a galaxy.

They also evidently can survive the Halo effect if they're on the Ring, but I'm not sure.

They can be piloted by AIs, so no need to sacrifice anyone.

Also: Centerpoint Station. The Flood infect a high ranking Wars officer. They then know where it is.

They take a ship to the Centerpoint to infect it.

If this fails, the Precursors just eviscerate it. Or the UNSC drops a NOVA bomb right next to it from slipspace. Or the Forerunners slipspace it into the nearest star.

Suncrusher: It detonates a star next to a Halo starport base. All of the Halo's ships are destroyed except for a mildly annoyed Precursor ship. Precursors kill the pilot with a Neural Weapon. They can either

A) destroy it

or B) use it against Wars.

For this discussion, they destroy it. Don't need it anyway. The Forerunners used stars as stellar grenades all the time witrh just normal ships and fleets.

Thrawn: TBH, he can't really hide from the UNSC. If Halo knows where he is, the UNSC can nuke him from slipspace. Or the Precursors could kill him, but either way.

Thrawn, despite his tactical genius, can do nothing to the Precursors.

Oh yeah, the Forge. Do you really want to feed an infinite number of ships to the Flood? By that same token, do you really want to feed an infinite number of clones to the Flood?

Or the Forerunners could just nova the star it sits atop. This is all provided they know where it is, but still. Nothing it can churn out can damage the Precursors.

This being said, the precursors were only defeated because of the unexpected zealous of the forerunners.

  • 03.05.2011 11:22 AM PDT