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The Haloverse is on a whole other level of broken.

Let me put it this way: if it was the Galactic Empire besieging the UNSC instead of the Covenant, I think we would've stood a fair chance to beat them back completely.

A single Flood spore would solo the Star Wars universe. Granted, the Force would be a powerful tool in Star Wars, but considering all the noteworthy wielders of it makeup such a small percentage of the Star Wars universe, the force's affect will be limited.

Also, Forerunners wouldn't even have to resort to the rings to beat any faction in Star Wars.

A more fair fight would've been Haloverse versus Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

  • 03.05.2011 4:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Everything about this is irrelivant.

For starters, the Forerunners could designate specific targets using the Halo. If they wanted they could sterilize a planet, to a galaxy, or an entire fleet. But it doesn't HAVE to be a galaxy.

They also evidently can survive the Halo effect if they're on the Ring, but I'm not sure.

They can be piloted by AIs, so no need to sacrifice anyone.

Also: Centerpoint Station. The Flood infect a high ranking Wars officer. They then know where it is.

They take a ship to the Centerpoint to infect it.

If this fails, the Precursors just eviscerate it. Or the UNSC drops a NOVA bomb right next to it from slipspace. Or the Forerunners slipspace it into the nearest star.

Suncrusher: It detonates a star next to a Halo starport base. All of the Halo's ships are destroyed except for a mildly annoyed Precursor ship. Precursors kill the pilot with a Neural Weapon. They can either

A) destroy it

or B) use it against Wars.

For this discussion, they destroy it. Don't need it anyway. The Forerunners used stars as stellar grenades all the time witrh just normal ships and fleets.

Thrawn: TBH, he can't really hide from the UNSC. If Halo knows where he is, the UNSC can nuke him from slipspace. Or the Precursors could kill him, but either way.

Thrawn, despite his tactical genius, can do nothing to the Precursors.

Oh yeah, the Forge. Do you really want to feed an infinite number of ships to the Flood? By that same token, do you really want to feed an infinite number of clones to the Flood?

Or the Forerunners could just nova the star it sits atop. This is all provided they know where it is, but still. Nothing it can churn out can damage the Precursors.


For any stationary platform, or large groupings, you are going to need to find it first. We both can and are agreeing on that.

So it really then just comes down to who can shoot first. We got Thrawn, meaning we have strategy, meaning we are a step ahead. So, in proper Han Solo fashion, Starwars shoots first.

If push comes to shove, and that First shot doesn't wipe them out, Star Wars has "Alpha Red" and its counterpart of "Omega Red". Fungus Flood species or no, the Star Wars scientists have a way to kill any unstoppable species.

And the Star Forge is still making infinite Droids, which you can throw against the flood because the flood is an anti-bio lifeform (Yuuzong Vong being the anti-metal lifeform.

  • 03.05.2011 4:32 PM PDT

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The Halo array would blow up the death star(s) and the covenant would kill everything else. Halo wins. Maybe the forerunners have ships... oh well they're dead.

  • 03.05.2011 4:39 PM PDT


Posted by: Spage
Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Everything about this is irrelivant.

For starters, the Forerunners could designate specific targets using the Halo. If they wanted they could sterilize a planet, to a galaxy, or an entire fleet. But it doesn't HAVE to be a galaxy.

They also evidently can survive the Halo effect if they're on the Ring, but I'm not sure.

They can be piloted by AIs, so no need to sacrifice anyone.

Also: Centerpoint Station. The Flood infect a high ranking Wars officer. They then know where it is.

They take a ship to the Centerpoint to infect it.

If this fails, the Precursors just eviscerate it. Or the UNSC drops a NOVA bomb right next to it from slipspace. Or the Forerunners slipspace it into the nearest star.

Suncrusher: It detonates a star next to a Halo starport base. All of the Halo's ships are destroyed except for a mildly annoyed Precursor ship. Precursors kill the pilot with a Neural Weapon. They can either

A) destroy it

or B) use it against Wars.

For this discussion, they destroy it. Don't need it anyway. The Forerunners used stars as stellar grenades all the time witrh just normal ships and fleets.

Thrawn: TBH, he can't really hide from the UNSC. If Halo knows where he is, the UNSC can nuke him from slipspace. Or the Precursors could kill him, but either way.

Thrawn, despite his tactical genius, can do nothing to the Precursors.

Oh yeah, the Forge. Do you really want to feed an infinite number of ships to the Flood? By that same token, do you really want to feed an infinite number of clones to the Flood?

Or the Forerunners could just nova the star it sits atop. This is all provided they know where it is, but still. Nothing it can churn out can damage the Precursors.


For any stationary platform, or large groupings, you are going to need to find it first. We both can and are agreeing on that.

So it really then just comes down to who can shoot first. We got Thrawn, meaning we have strategy, meaning we are a step ahead. So, in proper Han Solo fashion, Starwars shoots first.

If push comes to shove, and that First shot doesn't wipe them out, Star Wars has "Alpha Red" and its counterpart of "Omega Red". Fungus Flood species or no, the Star Wars scientists have a way to kill any unstoppable species.

And the Star Forge is still making infinite Droids, which you can throw against the flood because the flood is an anti-bio lifeform (Yuuzong Vong being the anti-metal lifeform.


The Gravemind exists as a consciousness, not as a corporeal lifeform. The thing in Halo 2 is an organ he uses to speak verbally, but point is: slow the Flood, stall them, and they'll come back stronger then before.

The Flood Super Cell garuntees a cure is imossible (Flood probably adapted to the first cure humanity gave it) and any method Star Wars uses to defeat it has already been tried a thousand times over by the Forerunners.

Including an infinite number of synthetics (droids, robots etc.).

Blowing up stars, robots, its all been done before. Nothing can perminantly stop the Flood.

And even if Centerpoint got the first, second or even third shot off, it doesn't matter. A single Precursor ship could win this entire war.

  • 03.05.2011 5:01 PM PDT

I love how everyone arguing for the halo side says that the halo ring would immediately cause the battle to be over, but considering the fact that in the star wars universe they have centerpoint station which can destroy a star all the way across the galaxy or cause a moon to crash into a planet then centerpoint station could then cause the stars were the halos are to collapse thus destroying the halos or they could cause the halo to crash into whatever planet they are orbiting again causing the halo to be destroyed. So you super weapon is useless compared one to the Star Wars super weapon. Also there is this for space battles http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Executor-class_Star_Dreadnough t and the only reason why it was destroyed was because it was close to the death star and they couldn't bring the secondary bridge online quick enough. Also here is the class of ship http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eclipse-class_Super_Star_Destr oyer. So in a space battle it would win against halo universe ships seriously a ship with 5,000 weapons emplacements, shields,cloaking devices and the fact that they can ram into ships without any damage to their own ship means that would win against a covenant ship easily and that is just a ship from the time of the movies ships 40 years after that were way more powerful.

[Edited on 03.05.2011 7:26 PM PST]

  • 03.05.2011 7:07 PM PDT

:P

That depends. Does the Star Wars fleet contain a Death Star?

  • 03.05.2011 7:11 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: wildnuke

Never said anything about human technology.


I do not have much information on Covenant armaments although I know how much it can take. Give me a minute.

An Imperial II Star Destroyer has 8 main octuple barreled guns, but it has 36 other turbolasers scattered across it's surface, and that doesn't include the 100+ point defense guns.

An SMAC like the kind on Cairo Station has 9x the firepower of a regular shipboard MAC, and can punch through nearly any covenant ship and come out the other side, and into another covenant ship if there is one behind it.

While the firepower of each individual Turbolaser on an Imperial II is unknown, the overall firepower can be determined using it's reactor power, which is 9,280,000,000,000 terawatts.

Also, and a shipboard MAC gun is roughly 50,000 megatons per shot, than it is only 1/4 the strength of a Turbolaser shot from an Acclamator, which has 12 guns and has a firing rate of roughly 30-60 shots per minute with a range of 180,000,000km.

The Venator entry in the Cross sections books states that any true warship in star wars can redirect all of it's reactor power to the weapons if necessary, however we will assume it normally applies 1/3rd of this power to weapons, with the other 2/3rds of power being distributed amongst shields and engines.

This means that an ISDII can dish out roughly 740,000,000 megatons per second spread across it's guns.

put another way, that's 50,000,000,000x the power of hiroshima every second.

The Acclamator's turbolasers carry 200 gigatons each, and can fire roughly 30-60 shots a minute, Acclamator shields can withstand 16.7 teratons of force second at peak efficiency, so it would take 2 Cairo stations to hit it simultaneously in order to penetrate, if the shots are so much as a split-second apart the Acclamator will withstand it but it's shields will feel the strain.

Meanwhile the MAC Gun is much weaker, shorter range and much lower rate of fire.

The MAC gun on UNSC ships is generally said to be equivalent to 1.17 teratons of tnt, or 1.17% the impact force of the meteor that killed the dinosaurs. the Pillar of autumn can fire 3 slugs on one charge, the time it takes to charge is unknown but these 3 shots can down the shields of nearly any covenant ship.

It takes the Covenant an entire fleet to glass a planet, a single star destroyer can achieve that in less time.

ISDII shields are designed to be able to withstand a full half an hour of another ISDII pounding the hell out of em with everything it's got.

Turbolasers can track ships up to 180,000,000 km away (roughly 10 light minutes) so their range is an order of magnitude higher.

If the regular MAC guns have a firing rate similar to Cairo Station, than a Turbolaser on an ISDII has roughly 250,000x the firepower of a MAC gun on average and 83,000x the firepower of the pillar of autumn type, multiplied by 44 for each of the ISDIIs.

Covenant Ships can't withstand 3 MAC's, Do you honestly think they can survive something 4 times stronger with dozens throughout the ship? Please...

Just to add to the Hyperspace and Slip Space thing...

Hyperdrive is faster than Covenant Slipspace, Covenant ships can reach 912 light years per day but Hyperdrive can travel 100,000 light years per day if not faster depending on the grade and route.

Checkmate my friend.


All very good but how can a laser which is light containing one type of photons in phase cause 7.4x10^8 megaton explosion considering megatons are a mesurement of explosive force compared to TNT. Surely the laser would have a power that isn't comparable to kineric impact force ( MAC rounds ). AS one is light which upon impact would most probably melt through the ship not cause an explosion that would come from the ship it's self probably the reactor exploding. Whereas a MAC round would impact the ship or it's shield and the kinetic energy would be turned into heat, light, sound energy and the less distance it travels after impact the more energy is transformed so if you were to stop a MAC round dead to would do more external damage than if it where to travel straight through but then it would gut the ship.

Also on the Slipspace hyperdrive arguement Forerunners can travel across the galaxy in a few hours and as seen in the portal in halo 3 it opens at earth and ships near instantly travel to the ark.

  • 03.06.2011 6:07 AM PDT

Um, we don't know how long it was between the ships entering the portal and arriving at the Ark.

Also, Star Wars "blasters" and "lasers" aren't truly lasers, they are a tightly compressed gas around a projectile (Last I checked.)

  • 03.06.2011 6:14 AM PDT


Posted by: Mr Owen L

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: wildnuke

Never said anything about human technology.


I do not have much information on Covenant armaments although I know how much it can take. Give me a minute.

An Imperial II Star Destroyer has 8 main octuple barreled guns, but it has 36 other turbolasers scattered across it's surface, and that doesn't include the 100+ point defense guns.

An SMAC like the kind on Cairo Station has 9x the firepower of a regular shipboard MAC, and can punch through nearly any covenant ship and come out the other side, and into another covenant ship if there is one behind it.

While the firepower of each individual Turbolaser on an Imperial II is unknown, the overall firepower can be determined using it's reactor power, which is 9,280,000,000,000 terawatts.

Also, and a shipboard MAC gun is roughly 50,000 megatons per shot, than it is only 1/4 the strength of a Turbolaser shot from an Acclamator, which has 12 guns and has a firing rate of roughly 30-60 shots per minute with a range of 180,000,000km.

The Venator entry in the Cross sections books states that any true warship in star wars can redirect all of it's reactor power to the weapons if necessary, however we will assume it normally applies 1/3rd of this power to weapons, with the other 2/3rds of power being distributed amongst shields and engines.

This means that an ISDII can dish out roughly 740,000,000 megatons per second spread across it's guns.

put another way, that's 50,000,000,000x the power of hiroshima every second.

The Acclamator's turbolasers carry 200 gigatons each, and can fire roughly 30-60 shots a minute, Acclamator shields can withstand 16.7 teratons of force second at peak efficiency, so it would take 2 Cairo stations to hit it simultaneously in order to penetrate, if the shots are so much as a split-second apart the Acclamator will withstand it but it's shields will feel the strain.

Meanwhile the MAC Gun is much weaker, shorter range and much lower rate of fire.

The MAC gun on UNSC ships is generally said to be equivalent to 1.17 teratons of tnt, or 1.17% the impact force of the meteor that killed the dinosaurs. the Pillar of autumn can fire 3 slugs on one charge, the time it takes to charge is unknown but these 3 shots can down the shields of nearly any covenant ship.

It takes the Covenant an entire fleet to glass a planet, a single star destroyer can achieve that in less time.

ISDII shields are designed to be able to withstand a full half an hour of another ISDII pounding the hell out of em with everything it's got.

Turbolasers can track ships up to 180,000,000 km away (roughly 10 light minutes) so their range is an order of magnitude higher.

If the regular MAC guns have a firing rate similar to Cairo Station, than a Turbolaser on an ISDII has roughly 250,000x the firepower of a MAC gun on average and 83,000x the firepower of the pillar of autumn type, multiplied by 44 for each of the ISDIIs.

Covenant Ships can't withstand 3 MAC's, Do you honestly think they can survive something 4 times stronger with dozens throughout the ship? Please...

Just to add to the Hyperspace and Slip Space thing...

Hyperdrive is faster than Covenant Slipspace, Covenant ships can reach 912 light years per day but Hyperdrive can travel 100,000 light years per day if not faster depending on the grade and route.

Checkmate my friend.


All very good but how can a laser which is light containing one type of photons in phase cause 7.4x10^8 megaton explosion considering megatons are a mesurement of explosive force compared to TNT. Surely the laser would have a power that isn't comparable to kineric impact force ( MAC rounds ). AS one is light which upon impact would most probably melt through the ship not cause an explosion that would come from the ship it's self probably the reactor exploding. Whereas a MAC round would impact the ship or it's shield and the kinetic energy would be turned into heat, light, sound energy and the less distance it travels after impact the more energy is transformed so if you were to stop a MAC round dead to would do more external damage than if it where to travel straight through but then it would gut the ship.

Also on the Slipspace hyperdrive arguement Forerunners can travel across the galaxy in a few hours and as seen in the portal in halo 3 it opens at earth and ships near instantly travel to the ark.


Wow, even Mr. Owen Lars is skeptical of his own universe.

No need to worry about that extended calculation he posted. It was instantaniously shot down by the movies. All of that hyperpowerful ship-weapon things that keep cropping up were rendered pointless arguments when someone brought up the movie canon overrides all other canon. And in the movies we see that the weapons are not disgustingly powerful.

  • 03.06.2011 6:15 AM PDT


Posted by: Recovery 25
I love how everyone arguing for the halo side says that the halo ring would immediately cause the battle to be over, but considering the fact that in the star wars universe they have centerpoint station which can destroy a star all the way across the galaxy or cause a moon to crash into a planet then centerpoint station could then cause the stars were the halos are to collapse thus destroying the halos or they could cause the halo to crash into whatever planet they are orbiting again causing the halo to be destroyed. So you super weapon is useless compared one to the Star Wars super weapon. Also there is this for space battles http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Executor-class_Star_Dreadnough t and the only reason why it was destroyed was because it was close to the death star and they couldn't bring the secondary bridge online quick enough. Also here is the class of ship http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eclipse-class_Super_Star_Destr oyer. So in a space battle it would win against halo universe ships seriously a ship with 5,000 weapons emplacements, shields,cloaking devices and the fact that they can ram into ships without any damage to their own ship means that would win against a covenant ship easily and that is just a ship from the time of the movies ships 40 years after that were way more powerful.


None of the people who know alot about halo use the halo rings to win... They use precusors because you cant damage a precusor ship unless you have nueral weapons and only have has nueral weapons XD You can literally throw stars at a precusor ship and it will just heat it up a littlebit XD

  • 03.06.2011 6:21 AM PDT

I would like to be a Mythic Member, or a mod.

REALLY BAD. I believe I deserve it, I am very loyal to the dear Bungie forums and want to keep everything in tip-top shape. Its always a real pleasure to be on the forums and I want to be recognized here.

The force has nothing on glassing the death star.

  • 03.06.2011 6:26 AM PDT


Posted by: Sparlan63
The force has nothing on glassing the death star.


"The ability to destroy a planet, is insignificant to the power of the--" *glassed*

[Edited on 03.06.2011 6:36 AM PST]

  • 03.06.2011 6:35 AM PDT

Just to point out, I haven't heard this Star Wars "Movie overrides all other." though, I could have sworn those technical specs and such? All came from the movies.

http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/

That site is done by an engineer, while it is Star Trek vs Star Wars, the guy uses ONLY canon specs for both sides.

Edit: http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Beam/Beam2.html Page on turbolasers.

[Edited on 03.06.2011 6:41 AM PST]

  • 03.06.2011 6:37 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Just to point out, I haven't heard this Star Wars "Movie overrides all other." though, I could have sworn those technical specs and such? All came from the movies.

http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/

That site is done by an engineer, while it is Star Trek vs Star Wars, the guy uses ONLY canon specs for both sides.


Those specs didn't come from the movies. The movies didn't give any kind of information regarding the technology and abilities of that technology. Its what seperates Star Trek and Star Wars.

Science Fiction from Science Fantasy.

The movie canon>all thing come from something called G-canon, which stands for George [Lucas] canon.

His word and movies supercede all others. Here's what he had to say when asked about the books.

"There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe--the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel universe."

He doesn't explicitly involve himself in the "other" universe, which, despite the fact he does try to keep ot consistent, has lead to gross discrepancies betweent the movies and EU and even within the EU itself.

"G--canon is George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and anything directly provided to Lucas Licensing by Lucas"

But as he doesn't involve himself to much in the rest of the canon (C-canon, N-canon and so on) there are discrepancies.

He even stated in an interview he's never read any of the Wars books because they're not his story.

  • 03.06.2011 6:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Just to point out, I haven't heard this Star Wars "Movie overrides all other." though, I could have sworn those technical specs and such? All came from the movies.

http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/

That site is done by an engineer, while it is Star Trek vs Star Wars, the guy uses ONLY canon specs for both sides.


Those specs didn't come from the movies. The movies didn't give any kind of information regarding the technology and abilities of that technology. Its what seperates Star Trek and Star Wars.

Science Fiction from Science Fantasy.

The movie canon>all thing come from something called G-canon, which stands for George [Lucas] canon.

His word and movies supercede all others. Here's what he had to say when asked about the books.

"There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe--the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel universe."

He doesn't explicitly involve himself in the "other" universe, which, despite the fact he does try to keep ot consistent, has lead to gross discrepancies betweent the movies and EU and even within the EU itself.

"G--canon is George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and anything directly provided to Lucas Licensing by Lucas"

But as he doesn't involve himself to much in the rest of the canon (C-canon, N-canon and so on) there are discrepancies.

He even stated in an interview he's never read any of the Wars books because they're not his story.


So then it's all a matter of what we are talking about.
If we're talking about both universes of wars then we can't, the two universes would make no sense for thier diffrent stats of technology which would cancel each other out, unless (we already know) the G-canon overides all, which would basically render everything except for the movies obsolete.

We all know how that turns out...

  • 03.06.2011 6:57 AM PDT

From what I read, the movies only come out on top if there is a DIRECT conflict of facts. As far as I know, the technical manuals are based directly off the movies.

  • 03.06.2011 7:04 AM PDT

Have you ever seen the movies? We see Leia get shot in the arm by a blaster pistol, the same kind of round that could take chunks out of durasteel plating, the metal all Star Wars metallic objects are made of. Thing is, there's only a small hole in the arm.

It isn't a matter of direct contradictions, its a matter of any contradictions at all. Even right down to how dead guys in videogames disappear. They actually had to write a notice about how creative license in videogames like deleating dead bodies after a while is non canon.

It goes to show how specific they try to make it. Unfortunately its gotten to the point where no one knows what's what in terms of technology anymore.

So it technically is a matter of what you're talking about, I guess, but the only canon depictions of Star Wars weaponry is that of the movies and anything that strictly follows the movies. All of the rest of it is is up for mindless speculation and fan wank.

Which is why the movie canon>>>all thing was enacted, to keep it nice and simple for fans to figure out the differences. Lucas himself doesn't see the EU as part of the ultimate canon universe, and he's the ultimate voice for the universe.

So its movies>>all for all canon questions from here on out.

Edit: See like I said before. The ultimate g-canon Star Wars universe worried about the story rather then how the technology works. Its why Wars is always better then Trek imo because its stories are not punctuated by long-winded explanaitions of technology.

Which is why I don't understand where you're getting the technical manifests for the Wars universe came from the movies. I can garuntee you they did not. I've seen each movie probably a thousand times (seriously, no bull -blam!-) and not once does it tell you how the technology works.

[Edited on 03.06.2011 7:28 AM PST]

  • 03.06.2011 7:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

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Source?


Slipspace jumps taking weeks, and usually involving cryo-sleep. Where in star wars we have hyperspace travels taking much less time.

An outer rim planet to a core planet took a day, maybe a few days. Such a travel is massively longer in Halo.

Star Wars spacecraft/starships have been around much longer (Like, thousands of years of more), that is a lot of improvement time. Halo spacecraft/starships haven't been around as long (UNSC side
it's stated in halopedia that the UNSC slipspace drive velocity is 34 light years day slow but the covenant is 900 light years a day

  • 03.06.2011 7:29 AM PDT


Posted by: wildnuke

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Just to point out, I haven't heard this Star Wars "Movie overrides all other." though, I could have sworn those technical specs and such? All came from the movies.

http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/

That site is done by an engineer, while it is Star Trek vs Star Wars, the guy uses ONLY canon specs for both sides.


Those specs didn't come from the movies. The movies didn't give any kind of information regarding the technology and abilities of that technology. Its what seperates Star Trek and Star Wars.

Science Fiction from Science Fantasy.

The movie canon>all thing come from something called G-canon, which stands for George [Lucas] canon.

His word and movies supercede all others. Here's what he had to say when asked about the books.

"There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe--the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel universe."

He doesn't explicitly involve himself in the "other" universe, which, despite the fact he does try to keep ot consistent, has lead to gross discrepancies betweent the movies and EU and even within the EU itself.

"G--canon is George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and anything directly provided to Lucas Licensing by Lucas"

But as he doesn't involve himself to much in the rest of the canon (C-canon, N-canon and so on) there are discrepancies.

He even stated in an interview he's never read any of the Wars books because they're not his story.


So then it's all a matter of what we are talking about.
If we're talking about both universes of wars then we can't, the two universes would make no sense for thier diffrent stats of technology which would cancel each other out, unless (we already know) the G-canon overides all, which would basically render everything except for the movies obsolete.

We all know how that turns out...


Don't think of it like that. G-canon only overrides contradictions. No where in the movies does it say the Centerpoint doesn't exist (unless you take that Admiral literally when he said the Death Star is the ultimate power in the universe, in which case anything more powerful then the Death Star is suddenly rendered nonexistant), but that would be unfair.

George doesn't see the EU as a part of his world, but he does recognize its important to us as fans, so it is canon unless it contradict the movies in any way.

So Centerpoint still exists, but gigaonnage turbolasers and world busting super cannons do not.

S'matter of fact, Han Solo himself denies flat out in Episode IV that the Imperial Fleet has these impossibly powerful weapons.

"The entire fleet couldn't destroy the whole planet, it'd take a thousand ships with more firepower then I've--"

With primary machine guns that hit with several gigs to even terras per shot, that should be no problem.

  • 03.06.2011 7:35 AM PDT

If you are talking about the covenant and human ships there is an argument but the title said for halo ships which include forerunner
You have to agree that there is no contest when the forerunners are involved their tech is millions of years ahead of all of them. Just one forerunner ship could power hundreds of covenant ships for centuries
I rest my case be saying that Forerunners are awesome

  • 03.06.2011 7:39 AM PDT

Difference between "Completely and utterly destroying a planet." (Like the death star did) and "Making the planet completely unsuitable for any sort of life."

  • 03.06.2011 7:46 AM PDT

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  • 03.06.2011 8:00 AM PDT
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Halo. They got things like Fortress Ships and High Charity and what not. While in Star Wars a v-wing can destroy a frigate.

  • 03.06.2011 8:08 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Difference between "Completely and utterly destroying a planet." (Like the death star did) and "Making the planet completely unsuitable for any sort of life."


The Covenant can render a planet unsuitable for life with just kiloton/megaton weapons and only a few ships.

The Empire has thousands upon thousands of ships that supposedly strike with the force rivaling that of the asteroid that wiped the donisaurs out. Shoot a planet enough times with that and it'll eventually be completely destroyed.

Now you're just nitpicking. This discussion's been over for 4 pages anyway. No matter what the power is, it can't harm the Precursors.

  • 03.06.2011 8:21 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Difference between "Completely and utterly destroying a planet." (Like the death star did) and "Making the planet completely unsuitable for any sort of life."


The Covenant can render a planet unsuitable for life with just kiloton/megaton weapons and only a few ships.

The Empire has thousands upon thousands of ships that supposedly strike with the force rivaling that of the asteroid that wiped the donisaurs out. Shoot a planet enough times with that and it'll eventually be completely destroyed.

Now you're just nitpicking. This discussion's been over for 4 pages anyway. No matter what the power is, it can't harm the Precursors.


Which is why I said, if we want a battle let's limit it to a specific faction from Star wars facing the UNSC or covenant. Or a combination of two Star Wars factions vs the UNSC and Covenant. Remove Forerunners, Precursors, any super-weapons or "I-win" button tech.

Edit: There is also the fact the planet in question had a planetary shield... but that's details.

[Edited on 03.06.2011 8:41 AM PST]

  • 03.06.2011 8:34 AM PDT