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Subject: Who would win a space battle, Star Wars or Halo?


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Recovery 25
You just contradicted yourself you argue that the Halo universe can call on the precursors and the forerunners, but the Star Wars universe can't use centerpoint because it's destroyed. If the Star Wars universe can't use centerpoint than the Halo universe can't call on dead civilization. Also the eclipse class star destroyer is one of the most powerful ships in the time of the movies where the books are at now is 40 years after that and the ships at that time are way more powerful and the legacy comics series is 100 years later so ships are even more powerful.


Exactly my point. It needs to be limited. UNSC or Covenant (or both) vs a faction(Or two) from Star Wars.

NO super weapons, "I win" buttons, ancient super powerful races (see last two items.)


I agree with you dude the whole super weapons I win thing is not a space battle. Honestly the fight should be between the most current Star Wars factions which would be either the newest book series or the Legacy comics series factions and the UNSC and Covenant. Not the post Human-Covenant war UNSC and Covenant because even though they have better technology or at least the UNSC does I don't think they have the numbers.

  • 03.07.2011 9:52 AM PDT

Flood's and Universe's Warhammer 40k fanatic and the one who knows much about it.

I also like House Stark and winter, hurr.

People at halos side truly are marvelous. They seem to fit only Galactic empire against everything that halo can offer. Basicly Yuzhang vong, Separatists, every sith empire, every republic etc. is taken for some reason out from this vs thread.

May I ask you, why?

  • 03.07.2011 10:27 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: teekuppi
People at halos side truly are marvelous. They seem to fit only Galactic empire against everything that halo can offer. Basicly Yuzhang vong, Separatists, every sith empire, every republic etc. is taken for some reason out from this vs thread.

May I ask you, why?


Cause people are just bringing out the Empire at the fight, if you notice most of the ship vs ship thing includes at least one post saying an Imperial Star Destroyer can totally -blam!- any Halo ship.

  • 03.07.2011 10:28 AM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: teekuppi
People at halos side truly are marvelous. They seem to fit only Galactic empire against everything that halo can offer. Basicly Yuzhang vong, Separatists, every sith empire, every republic etc. is taken for some reason out from this vs thread.

May I ask you, why?


Cause people are just bringing out the Empire at the fight, if you notice most of the ship vs ship thing includes at least one post saying an Imperial Star Destroyer can totally -blam!- any Halo ship.


Well maybe we are being 'realistic' in our facings? We are bringing the baseline empire ship against a baseline Covenant or UNSC ship. Precursors and Forerunners go straight into 'super power/weapons."

Hence why I've said repeatedly recently, kick forerunner and precursors out of the thing.

  • 03.07.2011 10:35 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: teekuppi
People at halos side truly are marvelous. They seem to fit only Galactic empire against everything that halo can offer. Basicly Yuzhang vong, Separatists, every sith empire, every republic etc. is taken for some reason out from this vs thread.

May I ask you, why?


Cause people are just bringing out the Empire at the fight, if you notice most of the ship vs ship thing includes at least one post saying an Imperial Star Destroyer can totally -blam!- any Halo ship.


Well maybe we are being 'realistic' in our facings? We are bringing the baseline empire ship against a baseline Covenant or UNSC ship. Precursors and Forerunners go straight into 'super power/weapons."

Hence why I've said repeatedly recently, kick forerunner and precursors out of the thing.


Well, I still believe a CSS-class Battlecruiser could be an even match to a Star Destroyer.

  • 03.07.2011 10:42 AM PDT

Perhaps, though the topic did devolve into "Precursor and Forerunners, halo wins!"

  • 03.07.2011 10:57 AM PDT

Flood's and Universe's Warhammer 40k fanatic and the one who knows much about it.

I also like House Stark and winter, hurr.

Acclamator class troop transport:

-Light guns: 300 million GW (6 megatons per shot, 24 guns, assume 1 shot every 2 seconds for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)

-Heavy guns: 2.4 million megatons (200 gigatons per shot from each turret, 12 turrets)

-Operational range: 250,000 light-years (before refueling)

-Shield heat dissipation: 70 trillion GW peak

-Reactor power: 200 trillion GW max

-Max hyperspace speed: not stated (however, the ability to travel "halfway across the galaxy" in a matter of hours as demonstrated in ANH, TPM, and AOTC requires speeds in the range of 10 million to 100 million times c).

(All thanks for this goes for SD.net.)

Remember, this is only Acclamator. Star destroyers are larger, more heavily armed and pretty much in every way more advanced.

May someone on Halos side give CCS cruisers stats, so we could compare them?

  • 03.07.2011 10:58 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Perhaps, though the topic did devolve into "Precursor and Forerunners, halo wins!"


Well it didn't help that people from the Star Wars side began bringing up their Star Forges and Centerpoint Stations....

  • 03.07.2011 10:59 AM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.

Obviously the "current" star wars will beat the "current" Halo, considering they had more time.

  • 03.07.2011 12:15 PM PDT

The point is... Star wars is useing the more advanced tech so halo will try and level the playing ground.... But that ment bringing out precusors and there is nothing in star wars that can beat them so it's a bit unfair.

  • 03.07.2011 1:07 PM PDT

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[Edited on 03.07.2011 1:19 PM PST]

  • 03.07.2011 1:17 PM PDT


Posted by: Recovery 25

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Recovery 25
You just contradicted yourself you argue that the Halo universe can call on the precursors and the forerunners, but the Star Wars universe can't use centerpoint because it's destroyed. If the Star Wars universe can't use centerpoint than the Halo universe can't call on dead civilization. Also the eclipse class star destroyer is one of the most powerful ships in the time of the movies where the books are at now is 40 years after that and the ships at that time are way more powerful and the legacy comics series is 100 years later so ships are even more powerful.


Exactly my point. It needs to be limited. UNSC or Covenant (or both) vs a faction(Or two) from Star Wars.

NO super weapons, "I win" buttons, ancient super powerful races (see last two items.)


I agree with you dude the whole super weapons I win thing is not a space battle. Honestly the fight should be between the most current Star Wars factions which would be either the newest book series or the Legacy comics series factions and the UNSC and Covenant. Not the post Human-Covenant war UNSC and Covenant because even though they have better technology or at least the UNSC does I don't think they have the numbers.

Yes, it needs to be limited to some factions, but if precursor, forerunner or flood counts, Halo would win, star wars would own UNSC, and covenant since they were much larger size.

  • 03.07.2011 1:19 PM PDT

Why should we kick precursors and forerunner, their weapons is "super weapons" to us, but for them its normal technology,

  • 03.07.2011 1:21 PM PDT

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[Edited on 03.07.2011 1:23 PM PST]

  • 03.07.2011 1:23 PM PDT


Posted by: teekuppi
People at halos side truly are marvelous. They seem to fit only Galactic empire against everything that halo can offer. Basicly Yuzhang vong, Separatists, every sith empire, every republic etc. is taken for some reason out from this vs thread.

May I ask you, why?

Any intellegent life form the Star wars universe have to offer would be eaten up, turned into flood, and suddenly Halo would have Star wars universe's ships and crew.

  • 03.07.2011 1:25 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Perhaps, though the topic did devolve into "Precursor and Forerunners, halo wins!"


Its because the OP never have any rules. He merely said the Star Wars universe vs the Halo universe.

Anyway, with UNSC/Covenant vs the Empire/Republic, It'd be a close fight for sure that could really go either way.

UNSC advantages:

1) Hihgly powerful Weapons
2) Nimble ships
3) NOVA and nuclear bombs
4) Slipspace bombing

Disadvantages:

1) No shields.
2) Most ships have an exposed bridge.
3) Primary weapon takes time to charge.
4) Slowest FTL of these 4.

Empire Advantages:

1) A LOT of ships.
2) Covered head to tail in weapons
3) Fastest FTL of these 4
4) Clone Army

Disadvanteges:

1) Not very maneuverable
2) Epically exposed bridge that when hit, the ship usually goes with it.
3) Infinite army of clones can be defeated by a decisive capture of Kamino.
4) When cloaked, cannot get signals back and forth. Are essentially blind.

Covenant Advantages:

1) Most powerful base-line ship weaponry of these 4
2) Extremely maneuverable ships.
3) Perfectly accurate point-defense lasers make fighters nearly useless.
4) Extensively powerful shields.

Disadvanteges

1) For a brief second after dropping from FTL, they're dead in the water
2) Not the most innovative in using technology.
3) TBH, I'm having trouble thinking of two more.

Republic: *see Empire*

[Edited on 03.07.2011 2:04 PM PST]

  • 03.07.2011 2:01 PM PDT


Posted by: red alert447
Why should we kick precursors and forerunner, their weapons is "super weapons" to us, but for them its normal technology,


Which is why I personally think the Forerunners should stay, but add in a highly advanced Star Wars race alongside the Empire and Republic, like the Rakatans, or maybe the Yuuzhann Vong (though that'd be more like the Flood if anything)

The Precursors were a bit unfair.

  • 03.07.2011 2:06 PM PDT

Never say you're bored. Never say you're satisfied with the world. Never stop doubting or questioning things. Always wonder. Always think. But always take time to drop your guard, you don't have to be smart all the time.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Perhaps, though the topic did devolve into "Precursor and Forerunners, halo wins!"


Its because the OP never have any rules. He merely said the Star Wars universe vs the Halo universe.

Anyway, with UNSC/Covenant vs the Empire/Republic, It'd be a close fight for sure that could really go either way.

UNSC advantages:

1) Hihgly powerful Weapons
2) Nimble ships
3) NOVA and nuclear bombs
4) Slipspace bombing

Disadvantages:

1) No shields.
2) Most ships have an exposed bridge.
3) Primary weapon takes time to charge.
4) Slowest FTL of these 4.

Empire Advantages:

1) A LOT of ships.
2) Covered head to tail in weapons
3) Fastest FTL of these 4
4) Clone Army

Disadvanteges:

1) Not very maneuverable
2) Epically exposed bridge that when hit, the ship usually goes with it.
3) Infinite army of clones can be defeated by a decisive capture of Kamino.
4) When cloaked, cannot get signals back and forth. Are essentially blind.

Covenant Advantages:

1) Most powerful base-line ship weaponry of these 4
2) Extremely maneuverable ships.
3) Perfectly accurate point-defense lasers make fighters nearly useless.
4) Extensively powerful shields.

Disadvanteges

1) For a brief second after dropping from FTL, they're dead in the water
2) Not the most innovative in using technology.
3) TBH, I'm having trouble thinking of two more.

Republic: *see Empire*


Thanks for the rules.

In ship to ship empire would be destroyed by pin-point plasma cannons from covanent at the bridge, or a NOVA through slipspace as UNSC

When you have a baseline (rules) you don't need complicated answers it seems.

[Edited on 03.07.2011 2:09 PM PST]

  • 03.07.2011 2:08 PM PDT


So, since both sides is pretty equal, the war will be won only by superior tactics,
The generals with the best tactics will win.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Perhaps, though the topic did devolve into "Precursor and Forerunners, halo wins!"


Its because the OP never have any rules. He merely said the Star Wars universe vs the Halo universe.

Anyway, with UNSC/Covenant vs the Empire/Republic, It'd be a close fight for sure that could really go either way.

UNSC advantages:

1) Hihgly powerful Weapons
2) Nimble ships
3) NOVA and nuclear bombs
4) Slipspace bombing

Disadvantages:

1) No shields.
2) Most ships have an exposed bridge.
3) Primary weapon takes time to charge.
4) Slowest FTL of these 4.

Empire Advantages:

1) A LOT of ships.
2) Covered head to tail in weapons
3) Fastest FTL of these 4
4) Clone Army

Disadvanteges:

1) Not very maneuverable
2) Epically exposed bridge that when hit, the ship usually goes with it.
3) Infinite army of clones can be defeated by a decisive capture of Kamino.
4) When cloaked, cannot get signals back and forth. Are essentially blind.

Covenant Advantages:

1) Most powerful base-line ship weaponry of these 4
2) Extremely maneuverable ships.
3) Perfectly accurate point-defense lasers make fighters nearly useless.
4) Extensively powerful shields.

Disadvanteges

1) For a brief second after dropping from FTL, they're dead in the water
2) Not the most innovative in using technology.
3) TBH, I'm having trouble thinking of two more.

Republic: *see Empire*


[Edited on 03.07.2011 2:13 PM PST]

  • 03.07.2011 2:09 PM PDT


Why were the precursors unfair, they are in the Halo universe, they cant proved dead. Precursors is not unfair, but lets stick with
UNSC/Covenant vs the Empire/Republic
Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: red alert447
Why should we kick precursors and forerunner, their weapons is "super weapons" to us, but for them its normal technology,


Which is why I personally think the Forerunners should stay, but add in a highly advanced Star Wars race alongside the Empire and Republic, like the Rakatans, or maybe the Yuuzhann Vong (though that'd be more like the Flood if anything)

The Precursors were a bit unfair.

  • 03.07.2011 2:13 PM PDT


Posted by: red alert447

So since both sides is pretty equal, the war will be won only by superior tactics,
The generals with the best tactics will win.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Perhaps, though the topic did devolve into "Precursor and Forerunners, halo wins!"


Its because the OP never have any rules. He merely said the Star Wars universe vs the Halo universe.

Anyway, with UNSC/Covenant vs the Empire/Republic, It'd be a close fight for sure that could really go either way.

UNSC advantages:

1) Hihgly powerful Weapons
2) Nimble ships
3) NOVA and nuclear bombs
4) Slipspace bombing

Disadvantages:

1) No shields.
2) Most ships have an exposed bridge.
3) Primary weapon takes time to charge.
4) Slowest FTL of these 4.

Empire Advantages:

1) A LOT of ships.
2) Covered head to tail in weapons
3) Fastest FTL of these 4
4) Clone Army

Disadvanteges:

1) Not very maneuverable
2) Epically exposed bridge that when hit, the ship usually goes with it.
3) Infinite army of clones can be defeated by a decisive capture of Kamino.
4) When cloaked, cannot get signals back and forth. Are essentially blind.

Covenant Advantages:

1) Most powerful base-line ship weaponry of these 4
2) Extremely maneuverable ships.
3) Perfectly accurate point-defense lasers make fighters nearly useless.
4) Extensively powerful shields.

Disadvanteges

1) For a brief second after dropping from FTL, they're dead in the water
2) Not the most innovative in using technology.
3) TBH, I'm having trouble thinking of two more.

Republic: *see Empire*


It almost always falls to superior tactics. If I asked "who'd win? A race of teddy bears with stick and stones or the strongest legion of troops in a galactic superpower?" You'd say the Empire.

But if you look at it statistically, the UNSC/Covenant have more available to them in terms of tactical capabilities. More maneuvers pulled off more easily, more variety in weaponry and so on.

Also let's not forget the Halo universe is composed of some of the most tactically brilliant minds in science fiction. From Keyes all the way to the Elites.

So if it comes to tactics, which it seems too, then my money's on the UNSC/Covenant

  • 03.07.2011 2:16 PM PDT

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Precursor Armor. Plus, there weaponry must be unfathomable.

Forerunner Armor. Made of Hardlight. Instantaneously repairs any damage to the ship.

  • 03.07.2011 2:38 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: red alert447

So since both sides is pretty equal, the war will be won only by superior tactics,
The generals with the best tactics will win.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Perhaps, though the topic did devolve into "Precursor and Forerunners, halo wins!"


Its because the OP never have any rules. He merely said the Star Wars universe vs the Halo universe.

Anyway, with UNSC/Covenant vs the Empire/Republic, It'd be a close fight for sure that could really go either way.

UNSC advantages:

1) Hihgly powerful Weapons
2) Nimble ships
3) NOVA and nuclear bombs
4) Slipspace bombing

Disadvantages:

1) No shields.
2) Most ships have an exposed bridge.
3) Primary weapon takes time to charge.
4) Slowest FTL of these 4.

Empire Advantages:

1) A LOT of ships.
2) Covered head to tail in weapons
3) Fastest FTL of these 4
4) Clone Army

Disadvanteges:

1) Not very maneuverable
2) Epically exposed bridge that when hit, the ship usually goes with it.
3) Infinite army of clones can be defeated by a decisive capture of Kamino.
4) When cloaked, cannot get signals back and forth. Are essentially blind.

Covenant Advantages:

1) Most powerful base-line ship weaponry of these 4
2) Extremely maneuverable ships.
3) Perfectly accurate point-defense lasers make fighters nearly useless.
4) Extensively powerful shields.

Disadvanteges

1) For a brief second after dropping from FTL, they're dead in the water
2) Not the most innovative in using technology.
3) TBH, I'm having trouble thinking of two more.

Republic: *see Empire*


It almost always falls to superior tactics. If I asked "who'd win? A race of teddy bears with stick and stones or the strongest legion of troops in a galactic superpower?" You'd say the Empire.

But if you look at it statistically, the UNSC/Covenant have more available to them in terms of tactical capabilities. More maneuvers pulled off more easily, more variety in weaponry and so on.

Also let's not forget the Halo universe is composed of some of the most tactically brilliant minds in science fiction. From Keyes all the way to the Elites.

So if it comes to tactics, which it seems too, then my money's on the UNSC/Covenant


I'm a huge Halo fan and a huge Star Wars fan and just because I can judge how good both sides are my money is still on the Star Wars universe. If you want a good idea at how smart the Star Wars universe's commanders can be then read the rogue squadron series or the wraith squadron series. Plus they are really good books. If the UNSC won against the Star Wars universe I wouldn't be that upset, but I would hate for the Covenant to win just because they're the Covenant and I would hate for the Forerunners to win because in Cryptum it was revealed that they are -blam!-s and -blam!- over humanity.

  • 03.07.2011 2:40 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Perhaps, though the topic did devolve into "Precursor and Forerunners, halo wins!"


Its because the OP never have any rules. He merely said the Star Wars universe vs the Halo universe.

Anyway, with UNSC/Covenant vs the Empire/Republic, It'd be a close fight for sure that could really go either way.

UNSC advantages:

1) Hihgly powerful Weapons
2) Nimble ships
3) NOVA and nuclear bombs
4) Slipspace bombing

Disadvantages:

1) No shields.
2) Most ships have an exposed bridge.
3) Primary weapon takes time to charge.
4) Slowest FTL of these 4.

Empire Advantages:

1) A LOT of ships.
2) Covered head to tail in weapons
3) Fastest FTL of these 4
4) Clone Army

Disadvanteges:

1) Not very maneuverable
2) Epically exposed bridge that when hit, the ship usually goes with it.
3) Infinite army of clones can be defeated by a decisive capture of Kamino.
4) When cloaked, cannot get signals back and forth. Are essentially blind.

Covenant Advantages:

1) Most powerful base-line ship weaponry of these 4
2) Extremely maneuverable ships.
3) Perfectly accurate point-defense lasers make fighters nearly useless.
4) Extensively powerful shields.

Disadvanteges

1) For a brief second after dropping from FTL, they're dead in the water
2) Not the most innovative in using technology.
3) TBH, I'm having trouble thinking of two more.

Republic: *see Empire*


You know, ever since the rise of the Empire, the clones were replaced with volunteers and recruited men to make up the Stormtrooper legions since Kamino rebelled against the Empire using anti troopers, which were basically normal clones with Phase I armor (the armor from Attack of The Clones).

Bobba Fett and the 501st killed everybody and destroyed the cloning facilities, so that's why Stormtroopers suck in the movies and that also makes Kamino void, perhaps you should change it to mediocre - barely average army?

  • 03.07.2011 2:40 PM PDT


Posted by: Recovery 25

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: red alert447

So since both sides is pretty equal, the war will be won only by superior tactics,
The generals with the best tactics will win.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Perhaps, though the topic did devolve into "Precursor and Forerunners, halo wins!"


Its because the OP never have any rules. He merely said the Star Wars universe vs the Halo universe.

Anyway, with UNSC/Covenant vs the Empire/Republic, It'd be a close fight for sure that could really go either way.

UNSC advantages:

1) Hihgly powerful Weapons
2) Nimble ships
3) NOVA and nuclear bombs
4) Slipspace bombing

Disadvantages:

1) No shields.
2) Most ships have an exposed bridge.
3) Primary weapon takes time to charge.
4) Slowest FTL of these 4.

Empire Advantages:

1) A LOT of ships.
2) Covered head to tail in weapons
3) Fastest FTL of these 4
4) Clone Army

Disadvanteges:

1) Not very maneuverable
2) Epically exposed bridge that when hit, the ship usually goes with it.
3) Infinite army of clones can be defeated by a decisive capture of Kamino.
4) When cloaked, cannot get signals back and forth. Are essentially blind.

Covenant Advantages:

1) Most powerful base-line ship weaponry of these 4
2) Extremely maneuverable ships.
3) Perfectly accurate point-defense lasers make fighters nearly useless.
4) Extensively powerful shields.

Disadvanteges

1) For a brief second after dropping from FTL, they're dead in the water
2) Not the most innovative in using technology.
3) TBH, I'm having trouble thinking of two more.

Republic: *see Empire*


It almost always falls to superior tactics. If I asked "who'd win? A race of teddy bears with stick and stones or the strongest legion of troops in a galactic superpower?" You'd say the Empire.

But if you look at it statistically, the UNSC/Covenant have more available to them in terms of tactical capabilities. More maneuvers pulled off more easily, more variety in weaponry and so on.

Also let's not forget the Halo universe is composed of some of the most tactically brilliant minds in science fiction. From Keyes all the way to the Elites.

So if it comes to tactics, which it seems too, then my money's on the UNSC/Covenant


I'm a huge Halo fan and a huge Star Wars fan and just because I can judge how good both sides are my money is still on the Star Wars universe. If you want a good idea at how smart the Star Wars universe's commanders can be then read the rogue squadron series or the wraith squadron series. Plus they are really good books. If the UNSC won against the Star Wars universe I wouldn't be that upset, but I would hate for the Covenant to win just because they're the Covenant and I would hate for the Forerunners to win because in Cryptum it was revealed that they are -blam!-s and -blam!- over humanity.


Well, the Forerunners would sh1t all over any two Wars factions, that's for sure. Their starfighters and ground-based artillery eviscerated an entire planet, I think its safe to say Forerunners>>Star Wars.

But as I said above, the UNSC/Covenant simply have far to many tactical advantages--and weapon advanteges--to lose easily. I mean I know about Thrawn and all that, but you must also consider the capabilities of ships and the track record for each side. The UNSC seems to inject "intelligent syrum" into their commnders for them to get that good, and Elites are naturally gifted tacticians and warriors.

  • 03.07.2011 2:47 PM PDT