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What will happen to the Elites now that they have no gods no masters. What I read in the pedia is that they ain't the most scientific race and are more might than knowledge.

What do you think shall happen to the elites.

[Edited on 03.11.2011 3:54 AM PST]

  • 03.11.2011 3:53 AM PDT

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First they will mop up the remainder of the Covenant, then they will either find a new enemy, or redirect their efforts.

Remember that they are an extremely smart species. They were brought down by the prophets, but they have the intellectual capacity to run an advanced society. Remember that they achieved space faring status in their own right.

  • 03.11.2011 4:38 AM PDT

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Well it would seem the Arbiter will assume control of the Elites. They will most likely wipe out the Brutes, and re-absorb some members of the Covenant (if it would be only one, it would be the Hunters) into a more democratic system of government.

  • 03.11.2011 5:38 AM PDT


Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Well it would seem the Arbiter will assume control of the Elites. They will most likely wipe out the Brutes, and re-absorb some members of the Covenant (if it would be only one, it would be the Hunters) into a more democratic system of government.


Yeah, I would assume they would have some form of government based around the Councilors and the Arbiter, I don't know about democratic though. And the Hunters were always with the Elites, very few of them sided with the Loyalists. Grunts were probably split based over who their commanders were and whether they could escape to the Elites, as Halo 2 seemed to indicate all the Grunts had sided with the Elites. The reason we didn't have friendly Hunters and Elites in Halo 3 is because Bungie didn't want to confuse the player, or so I've heard.

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They actually still believe the Forerunners are gods, their religion hasn't really changed all that much, only their belief in the Halos being the source of the Great Journey. And I can't say how long, but they'll bounce back, they were a pretty strong technological power when they first encountered the Prophets for the first time.

  • 03.11.2011 2:45 PM PDT

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According to The Return from Halo: Evolutions, at least some of the Elites still practice their religion.

It should be noted that they managed to become a space faring species all on their own, without reverse engineering Forerunner tech. I think they will be fine.

  • 03.11.2011 2:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: CTN 0452 9
First they will mop up the remainder of the Covenant, then they will either find a new enemy, or redirect their efforts.

Remember that they are an extremely smart species. They were brought down by the prophets, but they have the intellectual capacity to run an advanced society. Remember that they achieved space faring status in their own right.


Continuing one genocide with another...that sort of makes the Elites look like A-holes.

One could really refute the concept of honor if Elites begun a campaign of genocide, as soon as they finished another war concerning genocide, on a race or organization they didn't like.

[Edited on 03.11.2011 2:50 PM PST]

  • 03.11.2011 2:49 PM PDT
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I just play for fun. MLG can kiss my ass.


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Posted by: CTN 0452 9
First they will mop up the remainder of the Covenant, then they will either find a new enemy, or redirect their efforts.

Remember that they are an extremely smart species. They were brought down by the prophets, but they have the intellectual capacity to run an advanced society. Remember that they achieved space faring status in their own right.


Continuing one genocide with another...that sort of makes the Elites look like A-holes.

One could really refute the concept of honor if Elites begun a campaign of genocide, as soon as they finished another war concerning genocide, on a race or organization they didn't like.


What if it's just a war of conquest?

  • 03.11.2011 2:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: Caaaarrrl
What if it's just a war of conquest?


Just as bad.

Conquest either involves one of two things.

1) Slavery
2) Oppression
3) Annihilation

  • 03.11.2011 3:19 PM PDT


Posted by: Naked Crook
Posted by: CTN 0452 9
First they will mop up the remainder of the Covenant, then they will either find a new enemy, or redirect their efforts.

Remember that they are an extremely smart species. They were brought down by the prophets, but they have the intellectual capacity to run an advanced society. Remember that they achieved space faring status in their own right.


Continuing one genocide with another...that sort of makes the Elites look like A-holes.

One could really refute the concept of honor if Elites begun a campaign of genocide, as soon as they finished another war concerning genocide, on a race or organization they didn't like.


Not all of the Covenant ships were at the Ark, there is still at least some Covenant military power out there. And in war you fight until one side gives up or has their military strength completely broken, it is not the Brute's nature to give up or surrender, so I easily see the Elites continuing their war with the Brutes until the Brute military machine is completely broken and the Brutes are in the Stone Age again, hell, they'll probably knock themselves there anyway.

  • 03.11.2011 3:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: OrderedComa
it is not the Brute's nature to give up or surrender, so I easily see the Elites continuing their war with the Brutes until the Brute military machine is completely broken and the Brutes are in the Stone Age again, hell, they'll probably knock themselves there anyway.


I find this highly unlikely that any race would destroy itself before it's own mortal enemy.

  • 03.11.2011 4:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
it is not the Brute's nature to give up or surrender, so I easily see the Elites continuing their war with the Brutes until the Brute military machine is completely broken and the Brutes are in the Stone Age again, hell, they'll probably knock themselves there anyway.


I find this highly unlikely that any race would destroy itself before it's own mortal enemy.

The brutes fought themselves down several technological tiers before, and without any outside leadership to hold them together, the chances of it happening again are pretty high.

  • 03.11.2011 5:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: CTN 0452 9
The brutes fought themselves down several technological tiers before, and without any outside leadership to hold them together, the chances of it happening again are pretty high.


Yes they did.

But...now they have a unified goal and an enemy they can all hate.

You would be surprised how often people will set aside their differences for a common goal.

  • 03.11.2011 5:20 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

The Covenant was like one big race. Each species performed a basic role. If I were to take a rough guess, I would maybe say:

Prophets: Science/knowledge/Clergy
Huragok: Engineering
Sangheili/Brutes/Hunters: Military
Grunts/Drones: Labourers

Jackals are mercenaries, they are not as easy to place I don't think.

If you were to take every single scientist out of Human society, or every engineer, then the short term effects would be quite disastrous. Civilisation would begin to regress until those skills could be replaced. We are are all really cavemen. On our own, we cannot individually create a computer from simply digging up raw materials. It takes hundreds of people with different skill sets to produce something like a PC.

I would imagine each Covenant race being like that. The Covenant are split up, and some of them find themselves lacking in particular functions. The Sangheili for example would probably take decades to get back on their feet, and centuries to get back to the Covenants level. The fact that they have nothing left to live for is not helping either. No motivation or source of hope would probably cripple their society even more. They could probably do it, but there is a near vertical learning curve to grasp first. I am sure that there is at least one decent library on Sangheilios...

  • 03.11.2011 5:44 PM PDT
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what happened after the battle of the ark is they're still at war with the brutes, who are in a way worse situation that the elites are after they left the covenant.

  • 03.11.2011 5:56 PM PDT

I dunno man, they're pretty technologically advanced. They gave the prophets a run for their money. the only reason the elites lost that war is because the prophets had the Forerunner Dreadnought. They're also the best naval commanders in the galaxy. That's why all the ship masters were elites originally. And its also why a 3 to 1 battle was "an even fight".

  • 03.11.2011 5:58 PM PDT


Posted by: Naked Crook
Posted by: Caaaarrrl
What if it's just a war of conquest?


Just as bad.

Conquest either involves one of two things.

1) Slavery
2) Oppression
3) Annihilation


Not at all. The Roman Empire would only enslave your people if you refused to be absorbed. If you let the Romans conquer you, all you had to do was call them your masters, but you still had freedom of speech, religion, pretty much everything. You kept all your land, it would just become part of the empire.

And even if you were under attack, the Roman army would protect you. not a bad deal.

  • 03.11.2011 6:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
Not at all. The Roman Empire would only enslave your people if you refused to be absorbed. If you let the Romans conquer you, all you had to do was call them your masters, but you still had freedom of speech, religion, pretty much everything. You kept all your land, it would just become part of the empire.

And even if you were under attack, the Roman army would protect you. not a bad deal.


Something tells me the Elites would not absorb the Brutes

  • 03.11.2011 6:12 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

I think that the Sangheili are wise enough to not sink to the level of a virus on the face of the galaxy by committing wars of baseless conquest. They would be worse than the Flood, because the Flood conquers in order to survive. What reason would the Sangheili have?

  • 03.11.2011 6:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Naked Crook
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The brutes fought themselves down several technological tiers before, and without any outside leadership to hold them together, the chances of it happening again are pretty high.


Yes they did.

But...now they have a unified goal and an enemy they can all hate.

You would be surprised how often people will set aside their differences for a common goal.

According to Stomping on the Heels of a Fuss there are deep feuds between different clans, so that even when they are cut off from the Covenant leadership they will eventually descend into chaos. Especially once they start getting hungry.

If brutes start killing each other after a short time without leadership, or an immediate target imagine what the remnants of the covenant are going through after the events on the Ark. It is true that they have a common enemy, but it is likely that many of the remaining brutes will kill each other before the elites find them.

  • 03.11.2011 6:14 PM PDT
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I think the Sangheili's intelligence is very underrated. That idiot girl in Halo Wars reckons that their average IQ is 80, I think she's wrong. Even Halsey thought she was an idiot and Halsey's almost never wrong about anything.

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  • 03.11.2011 6:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sierra 1993DJC
I think the Sangheili's intelligence is very underrated. That idiot girl in Halo Wars reckons that their average IQ is 80, I think she's wrong. Even Halsey thought she was an idiot and Halsey's almost never wrong about anything.

80?

Where/when was this mentioned?

  • 03.11.2011 6:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sierra 1993DJC
I think the Sangheili's intelligence is very underrated. That idiot girl in Halo Wars reckons that their average IQ is 80, I think she's wrong. Even Halsey thought she was an idiot and Halsey's almost never wrong about anything.

I am going to say that a sangheili's average IQ is significantly higher than 80. It would be nearly impossible for a species that stupid to become slipspace capable on their own.

  • 03.11.2011 6:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: CTN 0452 9
According to Stomping on the Heels of a Fuss there are deep feuds between different clans, so that even when they are cut off from the Covenant leadership they will eventually descend into chaos. Especially once they start getting hungry.

If brutes start killing each other after a short time without leadership, or an immediate target imagine what the remnants of the covenant are going through after the events on the Ark. It is true that they have a common enemy, but it is likely that many of the remaining brutes will kill each other before the elites find them.


Lol...they get cranky when they are hungry.

But yeah...so is the way of things.

But that is how the Brutes work...the fact there WASN'T a fight, with one brute killing another to establish and keep order...Parabum did kill Ceretus...but obviously not fast enough.

It's pretty obvious the Brutes didn't kill each other because the UNSC eventually came and killed the remaining Brutes.

We can surmise that the Brutes did keep order in the ranks, although their methods and ideals precluded any peaceful solution, they still were intact when the UNSC arrived to mop up.

I think the cohesion of Brutes is underestimated. They are called pack creatures...and yes, in packs, there can be killing of subordinates...but a pack never just utterly destroys itself, and it never tears itself apart.

Sometimes...I question the writers and their knowledge of the material they base the Brutes on.

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As for the IQ of an Elite...

I would say equal to that of humans.

[Edited on 03.11.2011 7:05 PM PST]

  • 03.11.2011 7:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Naked Crook
Posted by: CTN 0452 9
First they will mop up the remainder of the Covenant, then they will either find a new enemy, or redirect their efforts.

Remember that they are an extremely smart species. They were brought down by the prophets, but they have the intellectual capacity to run an advanced society. Remember that they achieved space faring status in their own right.


Continuing one genocide with another...that sort of makes the Elites look like A-holes.

One could really refute the concept of honor if Elites begun a campaign of genocide, as soon as they finished another war concerning genocide, on a race or organization they didn't like.


The war, to me, is aimed more at putting down the remaining Covenant Loyalists, not so much genocide.

  • 03.11.2011 8:33 PM PDT


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Posted by: Naked Crook
Posted by: CTN 0452 9
First they will mop up the remainder of the Covenant, then they will either find a new enemy, or redirect their efforts.

Remember that they are an extremely smart species. They were brought down by the prophets, but they have the intellectual capacity to run an advanced society. Remember that they achieved space faring status in their own right.


Continuing one genocide with another...that sort of makes the Elites look like A-holes.

One could really refute the concept of honor if Elites begun a campaign of genocide, as soon as they finished another war concerning genocide, on a race or organization they didn't like.


The war, to me, is aimed more at putting down the remaining Covenant Loyalists, not so much genocide.


Exactly, it's more about making sure that the Covenant Loyalists are down for the count than exterminating any of them, especially since the Brutes would never surrender to the Elites, surrender is not a Brute's nature.

  • 03.11.2011 9:00 PM PDT

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