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Subject: Could the Flood Be Infected Precusers?

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Read Halo Cryptum

  • 03.11.2011 6:43 PM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553

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  • 03.11.2011 6:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
"And our answer is at hand." "Our" as in ownership in the plural.
We covered this. The "answer" is his revenge, not 'our engineered biological super weapon.' It's just not there bro.

[Edited on 03.11.2011 7:49 PM PST]

  • 03.11.2011 7:49 PM PDT
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It's obvious that the Precursors, or at least the Prisoner, knew something about the Flood that was so horrifying that the Humans who inquired about it committed suicide rather than live with the knowledge.


My speculation (based on reading Greg Bear's other novel "Darwin's Radio" -- which might have similar ideas) is this:

The powder the humans found is not the Flood.

After all, Cryptum says the powder was chemically simple and inert -- something the humans carefully analyzed and concluded was not a threat.

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Eons ago, the Precursors created all life in the galaxy.

And when they did, in their wisdom, they forged a fail-safe.

They created the Flood.

But the Flood is not an extra-galactic alien species, or an invading parasite, or even a biological weapon.

It is the final Precursor defense. A galactic kill-switch for all life, an enemy from within. The Flood was engineered directly into the DNA of every sufficiently complex living thing in the galaxy, and designed to stop any of their creations from ever being able to defeat them.

The true revelation is that the powder is merely the activation key for the Flood. And the Flood already exists inside the genetic material of every living thing.

"Resolve then, that on this very ground... we shall meet the enemy, and not only may he be ours, he may be us."
--Walt Kelly, June 1953

We are the Flood. All of us.

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In my opinion, a revelation like that could very well be something horrifying enough to cause the humans to contemplate suicide rather than live with the knowledge.

  • 03.12.2011 12:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: telos

It's obvious that the Precursors, or at least the Prisoner, knew something about the Flood that was so horrifying that the Humans who inquired about it committed suicide rather than live with the knowledge.


My speculation (based on reading Greg Bear's other novel "Darwin's Radio" -- which might have similar ideas) is this:

The powder the humans found is not the Flood.

After all, Cryptum says the powder was chemically simple and inert -- something the humans carefully analyzed and concluded was not a threat.

---

Eons ago, the Precursors created all life in the galaxy.

And when they did, in their wisdom, they forged a fail-safe.

They created the Flood.

But the Flood is not an extra-galactic alien species, or an invading parasite, or even a biological weapon.

It is the final Precursor defense. A galactic kill-switch for all life, an enemy from within. The Flood was engineered directly into the DNA of every sufficiently complex living thing in the galaxy, and designed to stop any of their creations from ever being able to defeat them.

The true revelation is that the powder is merely the activation key for the Flood. And the Flood already exists inside the genetic material of every living thing.

"Resolve then, that on this very ground... we shall meet the enemy, and not only may he be ours, he may be us."
--Walt Kelly, June 1953

We are the Flood. All of us.

---

In my opinion, a revelation like that could very well be something horrifying enough to cause the humans to contemplate suicide rather than live with the knowledge.
Very interesting, I hadn't considered this.

  • 03.12.2011 6:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: switch 104 sv
**SPOILERS** (Don't know when is a sufficient time to stop warning?)


NO, the Flood began life as nothing more than a spore and then evolved into the form of Flood seen later. The Precursor created the Flood as a biological weapon of mass destruction to exact revenge on the Forerunner for destroying their race.


What? the Precursors did make the Flood but the forerunners didnt kill the Precursors, it was the flood. The Forerunners worshipped the Precursors. The Flood just got loose some how and killed both of them

  • 03.12.2011 6:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: LIVE freak out
What? the Precursors did make the Flood but the forerunners didnt kill the Precursors, it was the flood. The Forerunners worshipped the Precursors. The Flood just got loose some how and killed both of them
Not quite. I continue to doubt this claim that the Flood was made by the Precursors, but lets just leave that alone for now, as it has been debated plenty in this thread. However, you should refer to the last few lines of Cryptum:
We meet again, young one. I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago.
I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed.
I am the last Precursor.
And our answer is at hand.
According to this the Forerunners wiped the Precursors from existence, save one, which was imprisoned, by whom and for what reason is not know. However, as we have theorized, the Prisoner is most likely the Gravemind, and you can't trust a thing he says. That's not to say that you should look at his statements as false or misleading, but I'm just throwing that possibility out there.

  • 03.12.2011 6:48 AM PDT

I have a question
the Halo destroys organic mater capable of supporting the flood.
So why was the prisoner not harmed, and able to escape after the test firing at Hakkor witn no apparent injury.

Installation 5 ( halo 2 ) had a gravemind that appeard to exist prior to its discovery and would suggest imunity to the effects of the array just like the prisoner.

  • 03.12.2011 7:24 AM PDT

NO theory
No need for thread
Therefore...

  • 03.12.2011 8:31 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
"And our answer is at hand." "Our" as in ownership in the plural.
We covered this. The "answer" is his revenge, not 'our engineered biological super weapon.' It's just not there bro.


Yes it is, you are just stubborn enough to refuse to see it.

The Flood is the way the Precursors get their revenge for being destroyed by the Forerunners. Ever noticed how it was the Flood that decimated the Forerunners in a 300 year war? Given the very plausible connection between the Prisoner and Gravemind, it all fits together.

  • 03.12.2011 9:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: Salsaholic
I have a question
the Halo destroys organic mater capable of supporting the flood.
So why was the prisoner not harmed, and able to escape after the test firing at Hakkor witn no apparent injury.

Installation 5 ( halo 2 ) had a gravemind that appeard to exist prior to its discovery and would suggest imunity to the effects of the array just like the prisoner.
The halo can be tuned to target a specific range of life: All organic matter, or just sentient life, for example. Perhaps something about the Prisoner's biology, being a Precursor and preceding all other life that we know of, fell out of the range that the Halos are capable of targeting. If the theory that the Precursors created all life in the Galaxy, and perhaps the Universe, is true, then as their creations we might exist in a different why than they do. As a result, the Halos would have been designed around our level of existence, not the Prisoner's. This is all speculation, though.

  • 03.12.2011 9:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Yes it is, you are just stubborn enough to refuse to see it.

The Flood is the way the Precursors get their revenge for being destroyed by the Forerunners. Ever noticed how it was the Flood that decimated the Forerunners in a 300 year war? Given the very plausible connection between the Prisoner and Gravemind, it all fits together.
That is your speculation and that is all there is to it.

  • 03.12.2011 9:37 AM PDT

Do I take life or give it? Who is victim, and who is foe?"

The Flood was found by the Forerunners in crashed alien ships. We don't know who's ships they were but the flood started as a dust like substance that enhanced Humans pets.....until they mutated.

  • 03.12.2011 9:40 AM PDT

Posted by: Sparty Boy 117
soo...The precursors were small cat-sized intelligent beings who got infected, and now go on a galactic scavenger hunt for civilizations? Nice theory.

I meant the gravemind, who I mistakenly thought was the creator of the flood.


[Edited on 03.12.2011 11:36 AM PST]

  • 03.12.2011 10:55 AM PDT

The Flood was made by the Percursurs as a revenge against the forruners.

  • 03.12.2011 3:46 PM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
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Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

This was the basis for Lord Snakie's theory, which was proved incorrect by Halo Cryptum.
Read that book to find out why they're not.

  • 03.12.2011 3:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan999
Very interesting, I hadn't considered this.


I think this theory neatly explains a bunch of stuff:

- It explains why the Flood spreads so quickly, and how it effortlessly hops species. It's not infecting you! It is already inside you, and it's merely being activated.

- It explains why the Forerunners can't fix the Halos to just kill Flood. If the Flood is already an integral part of all life, then tuning the Halos to kill the Flood also tunes it to kill everything else.

- Which also explains why the Prisoner survived. He has no Flood inside him. So naturally the Halo wouldn't have any effect.

  • 03.13.2011 4:47 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


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Posted by: Spartan999
Very interesting, I hadn't considered this.


I think this theory neatly explains a bunch of stuff:

- It explains why the Flood spreads so quickly, and how it effortlessly hops species. It's not infecting you! It is already inside you, and it's merely being activated.

- It explains why the Forerunners can't fix the Halos to just kill Flood. If the Flood is already an integral part of all life, then tuning the Halos to kill the Flood also tunes it to kill everything else.

- Which also explains why the Prisoner survived. He has no Flood inside him. So naturally the Halo wouldn't have any effect.


If that is true then the fate of the universe is looking bad...

  • 03.13.2011 4:54 AM PDT


Posted by: Spartan999
Posted by: telos

It's obvious that the Precursors, or at least the Prisoner, knew something about the Flood that was so horrifying that the Humans who inquired about it committed suicide rather than live with the knowledge.


My speculation (based on reading Greg Bear's other novel "Darwin's Radio" -- which might have similar ideas) is this:

The powder the humans found is not the Flood.

After all, Cryptum says the powder was chemically simple and inert -- something the humans carefully analyzed and concluded was not a threat.

---

Eons ago, the Precursors created all life in the galaxy.

And when they did, in their wisdom, they forged a fail-safe.

They created the Flood.

But the Flood is not an extra-galactic alien species, or an invading parasite, or even a biological weapon.

It is the final Precursor defense. A galactic kill-switch for all life, an enemy from within. The Flood was engineered directly into the DNA of every sufficiently complex living thing in the galaxy, and designed to stop any of their creations from ever being able to defeat them.

The true revelation is that the powder is merely the activation key for the Flood. And the Flood already exists inside the genetic material of every living thing.

"Resolve then, that on this very ground... we shall meet the enemy, and not only may he be ours, he may be us."
--Walt Kelly, June 1953

We are the Flood. All of us.

---

In my opinion, a revelation like that could very well be something horrifying enough to cause the humans to contemplate suicide rather than live with the knowledge.
Very interesting, I hadn't considered this.


It is interesting, and it'd be a plausible reason for the Forerunners to rebel against the Precursors if they found out about the plan.

  • 03.14.2011 10:38 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Spartan999
Posted by: switch 104 sv
"And our answer is at hand." "Our" as in ownership in the plural.
We covered this. The "answer" is his revenge, not 'our engineered biological super weapon.' It's just not there bro.


Yes it is, you are just stubborn enough to refuse to see it.

The Flood is the way the Precursors get their revenge for being destroyed by the Forerunners. Ever noticed how it was the Flood that decimated the Forerunners in a 300 year war? Given the very plausible connection between the Prisoner and Gravemind, it all fits together.


I am reserving judgment on whether or not the Precursors created the Flood or not. However I do not think it is likely at all. I would assume the idea of the Mantel is either a Precursor theology that the Forerunners took on themselves after they rebelled and killed/drove the Precursors from the galaxy, or, it was based on a Precursor idea and the Forerunners adopted it and shaped it into the Mantel. Either way, I doubt the Flood are creations of the Precursor, if the Mantel did indeed originate with them, they would not have made the Flood. The Mantel is about preserving life and guarding it as best as one can, and the Flood are pretty much the Anti-Mantel, all they do is destroy life and devour it, there can be no coexistence between the Flood and the Mantel.

As for the Prisoner's line, as far as we know, he is the last of his kind, and has been imprisoned for God knows how long. I think he's probably off his nut a bit, and often in fiction crazy people refer to themselves in the plural. Also though, being the last of his species, the Prisoner can essentially be said to speaking for them, even if what he says is contrary to what the rest of the Precursors thought and believed. His line struck me more as "we didn't make this, but now we're getting our revenge on you."

  • 03.14.2011 10:50 AM PDT

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