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Subject: Why do people have a problem with Reachs Campaign?

Ive read alot of forums of people complaining about Reachs campaign.

Its beautiful!!

Rather than the typical hero storyline that alot of films and games seem to spurt out the beauty of Reachs campaign is that it is alot like the Halo novels.

Those of you familiar to the novels will be more or less familiar with the fact that the characters in the novels are not invincible godlike soldiers with rockets and lightning flying out their arse.

Instead Noble team is alot humbler than say the big story surrounding the master chief. What connects us as the player is that noble team is given its orders and in doing so loses most of its members.

<3 Jorge :'(

What for me at least is the most poignant moment in the entire campaign is the final level where you just know that Six is dead. Seeing the numerous dropships and banshees flying in the sky and the dust and the loneliness in general really touches a chord.

Ive heard that their are errors in the canon and obv some people dont like the gameplay but neverless the focus of Reach on the humble yet noble Noble Team imo is equally as strong as the Master Chief storyline.


<3 Jorge!! :'(

  • 03.11.2011 1:27 PM PDT
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I just play for fun. MLG can kiss my ass.

Where the hell have you been all this time?! I was beginning to think I was the only person who likes Reach!

  • 03.11.2011 1:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Caaaarrrl
Where the hell have you been all this time?! I was beginning to think I was the only person who likes Reach!


"Happy face"

  • 03.11.2011 1:36 PM PDT

I loved the campaign in Reach. It's a fabulous story. The characters were extremely well developed and it portrayed the desperation of the planet.

What people don't like is that Reach's story, as great as it may be, stepped on the feet of the already established backstory.

  • 03.11.2011 1:43 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Because people actually care about the story.

  • 03.11.2011 1:50 PM PDT


Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
I loved the campaign in Reach. It's a fabulous story. The characters were extremely well developed and it portrayed the desperation of the planet.

What people don't like is that Reach's story, as great as it may be, stepped on the feet of the already established backstory.



I hated the story for the reason you listed AND because the characters were boring an uninteresting. They died too easily, they never really devoloped, only one of them showed any emotion (Jorge) and Kat's death did not have a single effect on Carter at all.

I could seriously rant all day on how much of a pile of crap the story was in both canon consistancy and character devolopment, but I don't have the time. Besides, I already wrote a review and posted it here, I'm not doing that again.

The only thing I like about it was the dark and depressing feel you got at the end.

  • 03.11.2011 1:52 PM PDT

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i like it, it was def. a fun and more militaristic veiw of the halo universe, however there are story issues that bother me to no end, the entire game leads up to a climax that canon wise shouldn't be possible.

  • 03.11.2011 1:54 PM PDT
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Cowbell.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
I loved the campaign in Reach. It's a fabulous story. The characters were extremely well developed and it portrayed the desperation of the planet.

What people don't like is that Reach's story, as great as it may be, stepped on the feet of the already established backstory.



I hated the story for the reason you listed AND because the characters were boring an uninteresting. They died too easily, they never really devoloped, only one of them showed any emotion (Jorge) and Kat's death did not have a single effect on Carter at all.

I could seriously rant all day on how much of a pile of crap the story was in both canon consistancy and character devolopment, but I don't have the time. Besides, I already wrote a review and posted it here, I'm not doing that again.

The only thing I like about it was the dark and depressing feel you got at the end.


You do realize a good commander should never show too much emotion about a loss?

And since they're Spartans, which don't have much emotion in the first place, then that makes perfect sense.

  • 03.11.2011 2:10 PM PDT

i liked it but the canon breaks cause me to hate it. the sad thing is, is that they could have easily been avoided.

  • 03.11.2011 2:20 PM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
I loved the campaign in Reach. It's a fabulous story. The characters were extremely well developed and it portrayed the desperation of the planet.

What people don't like is that Reach's story, as great as it may be, stepped on the feet of the already established backstory.



I hated the story for the reason you listed AND because the characters were boring an uninteresting. They died too easily, they never really devoloped, only one of them showed any emotion (Jorge) and Kat's death did not have a single effect on Carter at all.

I could seriously rant all day on how much of a pile of crap the story was in both canon consistancy and character devolopment, but I don't have the time. Besides, I already wrote a review and posted it here, I'm not doing that again.

The only thing I like about it was the dark and depressing feel you got at the end.


You do realize a good commander should never show too much emotion about a loss?

And since they're Spartans, which don't have much emotion in the first place, then that makes perfect sense.


1) You know a good character needs to show some emotion, right?

2) This is a paraphrased quote from the Gaminformer, by Brian Jarrard, that first revealed Reach gameplay:

"This is a character driven story about Spartans. We're showing a more personal side. They're not unbreakable: they're still human."

When I read that and saw the Deliver Hope trailer later, I was ready for a heavily emotion charged game. I instead got a dumb action movie that sh1ts all over the established Halo lore.

Bungie consistintly told us that this was a character driven story akin to the 7 Samauri and Titanic. It was not in ANY way.

If you really want to know what I thought of Reach, read this

Its a comparison of Reach's story and characters, and ODSTs. As you'll notice, I like ODST's story and characters a lot more.

  • 03.11.2011 2:20 PM PDT

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I love Reach's campaign, save some ridiculous AI behaviors (the Brutes' and Elites' tendency to just run straight at you for 100ft or more, and the fact that Elites and Skirmishers strafe with zero momentum change), but I don't like how they changed the previously established story for the game. Like Greg Bear has said, it is cleverer to tell your story within the confines of the previously established story, rather than change it all to give you an excuse to do whatever you want. That is kind of selfish, in my opinion.

This change in canon doesn't diminish my enjoyment of Reach, it just reduces the appeal of the Universe as a whole.

  • 03.11.2011 2:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
...and Kat's death did not have a single effect on Carter at all.
Actually it did. Maybe he didn't break down and cry on the spot, as that would be entirely inappropriate for and Officer and a Spartan in a time of war, but what little effect he does show comes in the form of his sluggishness to respond to Holland over the radio at the start of The Package. While it's not much for us, it means a lot coming from from the famously stoic Spartans.

  • 03.11.2011 2:25 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan999
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
...and Kat's death did not have a single effect on Carter at all.
Actually it did. Maybe he didn't break down and cry on the spot, as that would be entirely inappropriate for and Officer and a Spartan in a time of war, but what little effect he does show comes in the form of his sluggishness to respond to Holland over the radio at the start of The Package. While it's not much for us, it means a lot coming from from the famously stoic Spartans.


If it doesn't mean anything to us, then what's the point?

  • 03.11.2011 2:26 PM PDT
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One day... I am gonna grow wings... A chemical reaction... Hysterical and useless... hystecial and let down and hanging around... crushed like a bug in the ground.

Chracters were crap.

  • 03.11.2011 2:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
If it doesn't mean anything to us, then what's the point?
I think we as the audience should be encouraged look into and understand the characters and why they are the way they are, rather than bend the characters to society's current take on humanity.

It's more interesting that way.

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  • 03.11.2011 2:31 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Because people actually care about the story.
READ IT and you will know why, OP.

  • 03.11.2011 2:34 PM PDT


Posted by: Caaaarrrl
Where the hell have you been all this time?! I was beginning to think I was the only person who likes Reach!


I like Reach, Caaaarrrl :D So you're not alone out there.

  • 03.11.2011 2:34 PM PDT
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lol, if you enjoy reach's story and campaign gameplay, chances are you probably don't play a lot of games or watch/read a lot of movies/novels.

  • 03.11.2011 2:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sparty Boy 117
lol, if you enjoy reach's story and campaign gameplay, chances are you probably don't play a lot of games or watch/read a lot of movies/novels.

Generalised statement is general

I enjoy reading and watching movies, I play plenty of games and I enjoyed Reach's campaign. The story could have been better I'll admit but it was still a good campaign.

  • 03.11.2011 2:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sparty Boy 117
lol, if you enjoy reach's story and campaign gameplay, chances are you probably don't play a lot of games or watch/read a lot of movies/novels.

Generalised statement is general

I enjoy reading and watching movies, I play plenty of games and I enjoyed Reach's campaign. The story could have been better I'll admit but it was still a good campaign.
Trust me, I've watched many movies/played many games. I like Reach's campaign story a lot. Most out of any Halo. The actual gameplay of the Campaign only falls short in comparison to Halo: Combat Evolved, though.

I'm definitely not saying that the story is the best out of any game out there. In regards to a First-Person Shooter story, it's my favorite. Easily. Overall, my favorite video game story is the Elder Scrolls series.

  • 03.11.2011 2:44 PM PDT
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I just play for fun. MLG can kiss my ass.


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Posted by: Caaaarrrl
Where the hell have you been all this time?! I was beginning to think I was the only person who likes Reach!


I like Reach, Caaaarrrl :D So you're not alone out there.


I hope there are more people who share our opinion than just those who said it in this thread.

  • 03.11.2011 2:50 PM PDT

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imo the only good missions were the last and as u stated, you KNOW ur screwed.

like in LNOS, dropships and seraphs are everywhere. Lone wolf and the package.

the rest of the campaign "IMO" is kinda garbage. characters were deep and missions had no point. Defend reach was a pretty broad topic, unlike master chief which was stop the halos and the flood and the covenant.

  • 03.11.2011 2:55 PM PDT

Hence I have not read any of the books in the halo universe, has not altered my cannon for reach and was pleased with it.

  • 03.11.2011 2:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: Maximus Decimus
Agreed. All the changes are good and add variety. Do we really want another Halo 3? Just running around with one gun and no armor abilities? It's good that 343 wants to try something new. Do we really want the same thing for three more games?

Because it's boring, and although the planet that the game takes place on is getting overrun, it's by far the most peaceful campaign yet. And it was so boring.


I hated the characters, the friendly AI actually hindered your progress, and the story overall was just boring. I was not getting that "lonely" feeling. The campaign was dull, drab, and... did I mention boring?

Did I also mention that the characters were boring?

  • 03.11.2011 2:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: NavG123
Because it's boring, and although the planet that the game takes place on is getting overrun, it's by far the most peaceful campaign yet. And it was so boring.


I hated the characters, the friendly AI actually hindered your progress, and the story overall was just boring. I was not getting that "lonely" feeling. The campaign was dull, drab, and... did I mention boring?

Did I also mention that the characters were boring?


Well, that's your opinion. My opinion is that Reach is a decent game with some flaws. Every new game will have supporters and haters, pros and cons, and will always be hated till the next game comes out.

  • 03.11.2011 3:00 PM PDT

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