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Subject: Bungie would you please explain the canon for the Battle of Reach?

Bungie would you please tell everyone if the canon for the Fall of Reach and Halo: Reach fit together because no one acknowledges that in this commentary you guys say it fits together. Thank you it would be very nice to see that gold text appear in this thread.

Sincerely Recovery.

[Edited on 03.11.2011 8:07 PM PST]

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  • 03.11.2011 10:14 PM PDT

Fit together does not = makes the slightest bit of sense to anyone who thinks about it for 2 seconds.

You're one of those who refuses to actually think about it though.

[Edited on 03.11.2011 11:59 PM PST]

  • 03.11.2011 11:58 PM PDT

Get the -blam!- out troll.

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Posted by: Wazooty
Fit together does not = makes the slightest bit of sense to anyone who thinks about it for 2 seconds.

You're one of those who refuses to actually think about it though.


Yea, its more like "overriding"

  • 03.12.2011 12:09 AM PDT

It doesn't override it fits. The events of the game happen from July 24 to August 29. The events for the Battle of Reach in the book all take place on August 30. That is why Bungie put the date for the last mission as August 29 so that the events for the book would still be considered canon. The events of the game are just the Covenant trying to soften up Reach and then in the book they deliver the knock out punch and end the battle in a day.

  • 03.12.2011 12:37 AM PDT

You call me a troll because you refuse to actually listen to what I say.

You argue like a child, but you probably are.

Look at the planet reach, even before august 15th, 15 days before the "knockout punch", a very large portion of the planet is already burning.

Then a very large fleet came later that day and was setting fire to mos tof the planet.

According to TFOR the poa and the people on board were not aware reach was being attacked until the 30th, which is completely the stupidest thing in the world considering that most of the planet was already on fire in the weeks before, considering the spartans met with dr halsey on reach on the 27th but were completely unaware of it being mostly on fire for some reason even though its quite easy to see form space.

Considering that Jun mentioned that red team was fighting and evacing civilians on august 21, which according to you never happened because red team didnt get involved until the 30th.

You refuse to actually think and simply call me a troll because you dont have an actual reply because you are an imbecile of the highest order.

I have shown you all the evidence to counter your argument multiple times yet you refuse to even consider it, therefore everything you say is complete garbage.

I consider the actual events that happen in the game to hold more weight than the commentary one developer said during a 20 second clip. I am not sure why you wouldn't. Game canon counters your argument, and game canon is THE canon.

I would love to see bungie make an official statement on this, if only to point out the inconsistencies they make with what they say within their OWN GAME.

Good day.

[Edited on 03.12.2011 12:53 AM PST]

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Posted by: Recovery 25
It doesn't override it fits. The events of the game happen from July 24 to August 29. The events for the Battle of Reach in the book all take place on August 30. That is why Bungie put the date for the last mission as August 29 so that the events for the book would still be considered canon. The events of the game are just the Covenant trying to soften up Reach and then in the book they deliver the knock out punch and end the battle in a day.


So it basically took a month after declaring Winter Contingency for ONI to realize that they have a Prowler docked in space that didn't have its nav data wiped out, thus necessitating the need for some Spartans to board Gamma station and wipe said data only for that mission to end with just one Spartan remaining.

Meanwhile, despite losing for the past two weeks to overwhelming forces, command decides to recall their last beacon of hope who are about embark on an operation to buy humanity time in the war....to defend some generators for orbital stations defending a doomed planet whose ground forces are ,and have been for the past two weeks, already overrun. This brilliant strategic reallocation of resources leads to the demise or incapacitation of all those Spartans from participating in Red Flag...

Oh yes it does fit when you put it that way, but makes the entire turn of events incredibly stupid as a result.

  • 03.12.2011 12:52 AM PDT

Really I argue like a child when you always come in a call me a moron instead of stating the reason why you think I'm wrong like a civil person. But you won't because you're a troll.

  • 03.12.2011 12:52 AM PDT

Posted by: Recovery 25
Really I argue like a child when you always come in a call me a moron instead of stating the reason why you think I'm wrong like a civil person. But you won't because you're a troll.


You should really re-read what I posted now and in the past, as I have always posted why you are wrong. Even in the post above where you said I didnt post why you were wrong...I did.

You have selective ignorance, apparently you are literally blind to my arguments because I post them right there yet you say I dont.

Please stop trolling. I make reasonable argument, trolls pretend those arguments don't exist: you are the definition of a troll. You refuse to actually refute my arguments because you pretend they aren't there, opting to call me a troll instead.

I call you a moron because you ignore most of my posts and opt to call me a troll instead. I write up an argument that counters your in every sense, and since you refuse to read it, or refuse to acknowledge its existence, you call me a troll.

Do you have a program that selectively removes anything of value from posts? because that is the only way to explain your complete ignorance.

Great arguments, bro.

[Edited on 03.12.2011 12:58 AM PST]

  • 03.12.2011 12:55 AM PDT


Posted by: Wazooty
Posted by: Recovery 25
Really I argue like a child when you always come in a call me a moron instead of stating the reason why you think I'm wrong like a civil person. But you won't because you're a troll.


You should really re-read what I posted now and in the past, as I have always posted why you are wrong. Even in the post above where you said I didnt post why you were wrong...I did.

You have selective ignorance, apparently you are literally blind to my arguments because I post them right there yet you say I dont.

Please stop trolling. I make reasonable argument, trolls pretend those arguments don't exist: you are the definition of a troll. You refuse to actually refute my arguments because you pretend they aren't there, opting to call me a troll instead.

Great arguments, bro.


I wrote that before I read your post you -blam!- ass.

[Edited on 03.12.2011 12:57 AM PST]

  • 03.12.2011 12:57 AM PDT

Posted by: Recovery 25

Posted by: Wazooty
Posted by: Recovery 25
Really I argue like a child when you always come in a call me a moron instead of stating the reason why you think I'm wrong like a civil person. But you won't because you're a troll.


You should really re-read what I posted now and in the past, as I have always posted why you are wrong. Even in the post above where you said I didnt post why you were wrong...I did.

You have selective ignorance, apparently you are literally blind to my arguments because I post them right there yet you say I dont.

Please stop trolling. I make reasonable argument, trolls pretend those arguments don't exist: you are the definition of a troll. You refuse to actually refute my arguments because you pretend they aren't there, opting to call me a troll instead.

Great arguments, bro.


I wrote that before I read your post you -blam!- ass.


People who resort to swearing usually have compelling arguments.

Just kidding they don't.


[Edited on 03.12.2011 1:00 AM PST]

  • 03.12.2011 12:59 AM PDT

ok here is someone else's post to your argument on the other thread which was pretty much the same as it is on here.
Let's see here.

It's common knowledge that Reach fell on the 30th. However, how could you amass roughly one hundred ships in a matter of hours and expect them all to be battle ready. Slipspace isn't lightspeed. It would be massive luck that roughly a hundred ships were within hours of Reach at the time. Dot does say that 60% of the UNSC fleet were on their way as of the 12th, but where in the book does it say that the entire UNSC didn't know about the invasion until it basically happened? The glassing doesn't begin until the 23rd and they only glass high value or high population areas. You are somewhat correct though, Ferrion did detect that the Fleet of Particular Justice were on their way and all ships in the system as well as those in the Jericho and Tantalus systems were ordered to rendezvous at Reach.

This is a bit confused to me, but I will answer as simply as possible. Yes I do think that the Pillar of Autumn could not be informed about an event, but the rest of the fleet would be. It is easily possible that a single ship could miss out on a transmission and not know about something, however, The Pillar of Autumn had to have known for it participated in the Battle of Reach. The Pillar of Autumn is just a refit Halcyon-class vessel. I think the UNSC Trafalgar as a Super Carrier would be way more important than a tiny Halcyon-class vessel. The Spartans were valuable assets, but when it came to giant space battles they weren't useful in the least. It would be a huge blow to the UNSC if the ship they were on were destroyed in a space battle.

Now you can't just assume that the entire UNSC ground forces including the Marines and Army would have only one Red Team which were made up of a top secret military project of super soldiers that the vast majority of the UNSC soldiers never actually saw. Also wasn't Red Team's duty to protect one of the platforms that supplied power to the Orbital MAC platforms? Why would they be on civilian duty? Reach had its own army as well. Given there was a Gautlet and an Echo, which aren't Spartan teams, who do you know that these aren't just squads of Army?

You also contradict yourself. "Complete bull. In the book the unsc was unaware that reach was being attacked until the 30th." You say the UNSC weren't aware of the Covenant on Reach until the 30th, but then you say. "You are daft if you think that an entire fleet attacking reach went unnoticed until the 30th." Given these are your opinions until you can back them up with some proof you just debunked one of your own opinions.

All of my information is gathered from http://www.halopedian.com/Fall_Of_Reach#July_24.2C_2552, http://www.halopedian.com/Battle_of_reach#Space_battle, and http://www.halopedian.com/Halo_fall_of_reach#2010_bonus_conte nt

Now here's my interpretation. Everyone says the Battle of Reach happened in one day and the planet fell on the 30th. The Fleet of Particular Justice, the 314 Covenant ships that destroyed the UNSC blockade to Reach, didn't arrive until the 30th. The main battle fleet that fought the Fleet of Particular Justice, including 52 ships with the Pillar of Autumn included, did not arrive until the 29th or 30th. The fleet did send two fleets ahead of their advance including the Supercarrier and the Battlecruisers that glassed the planet. They were there to soften the planet and gather data on its current ability to defend. There wasn't even a space battle until the 30th, the battle between the Covenant Corvette and UNSC Savannah barely counted as a space battle. It was just a skirmish between two ships. The main part of the Battle of Reach barely occurred in the game so the book's canon is barely even touched. The only part that could be said was skewed was the Pillar of Autumn landing on Reach and that argument was already resolved in this thread stating it was there for refitting and refueling.

  • 03.12.2011 1:35 AM PDT

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March 3, 2553

Reach =/= canon

Apparently Reach writes its own canon and doesn't obey anything else Halo in the Haloverse.

  • 03.12.2011 1:53 AM PDT

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March 3, 2553


Posted by: Wazooty
You call me a troll because you refuse to actually listen to what I say.

You argue like a child, but you probably are.

Look at the planet reach, even before august 15th, 15 days before the "knockout punch", a very large portion of the planet is already burning.

Then a very large fleet came later that day and was setting fire to mos tof the planet.

According to TFOR the poa and the people on board were not aware reach was being attacked until the 30th, which is completely the stupidest thing in the world considering that most of the planet was already on fire in the weeks before, considering the spartans met with dr halsey on reach on the 27th but were completely unaware of it being mostly on fire for some reason even though its quite easy to see form space.

Considering that Jun mentioned that red team was fighting and evacing civilians on august 21, which according to you never happened because red team didnt get involved until the 30th.

You refuse to actually think and simply call me a troll because you dont have an actual reply because you are an imbecile of the highest order.

I have shown you all the evidence to counter your argument multiple times yet you refuse to even consider it, therefore everything you say is complete garbage.

I consider the actual events that happen in the game to hold more weight than the commentary one developer said during a 20 second clip. I am not sure why you wouldn't. Game canon counters your argument, and game canon is THE canon.

I would love to see bungie make an official statement on this, if only to point out the inconsistencies they make with what they say within their OWN GAME.

Good day.


It would be fine for the game canon to overwrite the normal canon if it were any good.

Bungie had 10 years of canon history, they can't just say-

"OH lets just completely ignore all of our canon and all other books, games whatever. Lets make an entirely new story that reshapes the entire Halo universe."

Reach -blam!- everything up.

EDIT: Oh, and how can the PoA go into Reach's atmosphere, it wasn't even atmosphere worthy.

[Edited on 03.12.2011 2:01 AM PST]

  • 03.12.2011 1:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: Recovery 25
It doesn't override it fits. The events of the game happen from July 24 to August 29. The events for the Battle of Reach in the book all take place on August 30. That is why Bungie put the date for the last mission as August 29 so that the events for the book would still be considered canon. The events of the game are just the Covenant trying to soften up Reach and then in the book they deliver the knock out punch and end the battle in a day.


So it basically took a month after declaring Winter Contingency for ONI to realize that they have a Prowler docked in space that didn't have its nav data wiped out, thus necessitating the need for some Spartans to board Gamma station and wipe said data only for that mission to end with just one Spartan remaining.

Meanwhile, despite losing for the past two weeks to overwhelming forces, command decides to recall their last beacon of hope who are about embark on an operation to buy humanity time in the war....to defend some generators for orbital stations defending a doomed planet whose ground forces are ,and have been for the past two weeks, already overrun. This brilliant strategic reallocation of resources leads to the demise or incapacitation of all those Spartans from participating in Red Flag...

Oh yes it does fit when you put it that way, but makes the entire turn of events incredibly stupid as a result.



You sir, just blew my mind.

WIN!!

  • 03.12.2011 2:04 AM PDT

Oh, and how can the PoA go into Reach's atmosphere, it wasn't even atmosphere worthy.
It was stated in another thread that the meaning of the PoA not being atmosphere worthy is it can't fly in atmosphere like a smaller ship such as a frigate. That is why at the end of the PoA level the ship had to have those engines attached to it so it could fly in atmosphere.

[Edited on 03.12.2011 2:10 AM PST]

  • 03.12.2011 2:06 AM PDT

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March 3, 2553


Posted by: Recovery 25
[quote]Oh, and how can the PoA go into Reach's atmosphere, it wasn't even atmosphere worthy.[quote]
It was stated in another thread that the meaning of the PoA not being atmosphere worthy is it can't fly in atmosphere like a smaller ship such as a frigate. That is why at the end of the PoA level the ship had to have those engines attached to it so it could fly in atmosphere.


So you honestly believe that Reach fits canon? What have you been smoking?

Let me spell it out for you.

The events in the game take a month right? Right. So it takes the UNSC high command a month to figure out that some nav data was left on a prowler (As said before, thanks)

I doubt, per the winter contingency that this would be let happen. So all the Spartans go ground-side, we know that the ground-side team doesn't make it off without the Chiefs help. If the Chief goes ground-side, he never makes it to Halo, so he never steals the covenant carrier (Forgot the name), he never makes it back to Reach picks up the remainder of his team. So. Halo CE never happens, Halo fires and we all die. The end

Now if the Marines and ODST's somehow stop the covenant and stop the rings from firing. You get the picture, the canon revolves around the Chief.

Reach does not follow canon. It breaks all the rules.

  • 03.12.2011 2:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: Recovery 25
ok here is someone else's post to your argument on the other thread which was pretty much the same as it is on here.
Let's see here.

It's common knowledge that Reach fell on the 30th. However, how could you amass roughly one hundred ships in a matter of hours and expect them all to be battle ready. Slipspace isn't lightspeed. It would be massive luck that roughly a hundred ships were within hours of Reach at the time. Dot does say that 60% of the UNSC fleet were on their way as of the 12th, but where in the book does it say that the entire UNSC didn't know about the invasion until it basically happened? The glassing doesn't begin until the 23rd and they only glass high value or high population areas. You are somewhat correct though, Ferrion did detect that the Fleet of Particular Justice were on their way and all ships in the system as well as those in the Jericho and Tantalus systems were ordered to rendezvous at Reach.

This is a bit confused to me, but I will answer as simply as possible. Yes I do think that the Pillar of Autumn could not be informed about an event, but the rest of the fleet would be. It is easily possible that a single ship could miss out on a transmission and not know about something, however, The Pillar of Autumn had to have known for it participated in the Battle of Reach. The Pillar of Autumn is just a refit Halcyon-class vessel. I think the UNSC Trafalgar as a Super Carrier would be way more important than a tiny Halcyon-class vessel. The Spartans were valuable assets, but when it came to giant space battles they weren't useful in the least. It would be a huge blow to the UNSC if the ship they were on were destroyed in a space battle.

Now you can't just assume that the entire UNSC ground forces including the Marines and Army would have only one Red Team which were made up of a top secret military project of super soldiers that the vast majority of the UNSC soldiers never actually saw. Also wasn't Red Team's duty to protect one of the platforms that supplied power to the Orbital MAC platforms? Why would they be on civilian duty? Reach had its own army as well. Given there was a Gautlet and an Echo, which aren't Spartan teams, who do you know that these aren't just squads of Army?

You also contradict yourself. "Complete bull. In the book the unsc was unaware that reach was being attacked until the 30th." You say the UNSC weren't aware of the Covenant on Reach until the 30th, but then you say. "You are daft if you think that an entire fleet attacking reach went unnoticed until the 30th." Given these are your opinions until you can back them up with some proof you just debunked one of your own opinions.

All of my information is gathered from http://www.halopedian.com/Fall_Of_Reach#July_24.2C_2552, http://www.halopedian.com/Battle_of_reach#Space_battle, and http://www.halopedian.com/Halo_fall_of_reach#2010_bonus_conte nt

Now here's my interpretation. Everyone says the Battle of Reach happened in one day and the planet fell on the 30th. The Fleet of Particular Justice, the 314 Covenant ships that destroyed the UNSC blockade to Reach, didn't arrive until the 30th. The main battle fleet that fought the Fleet of Particular Justice, including 52 ships with the Pillar of Autumn included, did not arrive until the 29th or 30th. The fleet did send two fleets ahead of their advance including the Supercarrier and the Battlecruisers that glassed the planet. They were there to soften the planet and gather data on its current ability to defend. There wasn't even a space battle until the 30th, the battle between the Covenant Corvette and UNSC Savannah barely counted as a space battle. It was just a skirmish between two ships. The main part of the Battle of Reach barely occurred in the game so the book's canon is barely even touched. The only part that could be said was skewed was the Pillar of Autumn landing on Reach and that argument was already resolved in this thread stating it was there for refitting and refueling.



Ever thought about thinking for yourself when posing counter points than relying on others?

There are some discrepancies with the train of thought you quoted.

First Underlined Section

First off we know they're Spartan teams. Why? Because if the person who wrote that paid attention to the dialogue he or she would've realized that Jun inquiries were about Spartan teams whether or not it was true Spartans were being deployed for evac operations. as Kat would comment on:

Jun: Sir, that true about Gauntlet, Red, and Echo teams assigned to civilian evac ops?

Carter: Those are senior level communique..

Kat: I hear what I hear, point is why put Spartans on defensive deployments?

So for that first bit it's already clear that they're not Army troops otherwise there would be no point for Jun to ask that question and for Kat to ultimately respond about those units being Spartans. Why would they be on civilian duty? Good question considering Jun and Kat are questioning the same thing.

Now to drive the point home that it is Red team of the Spartan IIs is the fact that they ARE present on Reach during this time AND have not been assigned to defend the generators. Based on Halsey's Journal, the Spartans stationed on the Leviathan return to Reach on August 12th following the battle of Sigma Octanus. During this time the UNSC makes its push against the Covenant forces on Viery. The super carrier makes its appearance, and on top of that the recall of UNSC ships is made in response to the super carrier's appearance. At this point there is no reason for the Spartan II's to leave Reach, and they're stuck to do whatever missions they are given in defense of the planet. From now until August 26 they are still active and all accounted for. August 26th is when the Red Flag briefing takes place meaning they have yet to leave on the Autumn nor have they died in the defense of the orbital generators. Thus placing Red team, Blue team, and whatever miscellaneous Spartan III units present on Reach during the time NA was under attack somewhere on the planet doing something.

Could there be other Spartan teams such as those from the Spartan IIIs be given a Red team designation? Sure, but it wouldn't change that the Spartan II Red team is still on the planet being assigned some mission while Reach is under attack.

Second Underlined Section

Another lovely point of contention brought up thanks to conflicts with the game, the book, and the journal.

Going back to the August 26th date. Red Flag's briefing. The Autumn still has yet to leave Reach because the briefing had yet to be carried out and the Spartans had yet to be deployed there. At this point in the game, Noble Team is only now being evacuated from the charred and battered remains of NA.

Full sized Covenant cruisers freely get to planet side and are glassing portions of the planet. The UNSC fleet is scattered (little more on that later), and yet what's being said here is that a UNSC cruiser on a high priority mission takes off from this partially burning planet....then turning back?

Please do make a point as to how that would make sense and "fit" in the canon.

Third Underlined Section
60% of the UNSC fleet was recalled to Reach on August 12. The first battle group was to arrive in 48 hours since that recall. That sets the first battle group's arrival on the 14th. That's very same day the super carrier would be destroyed while a larger Covenant fleet arrives. So are you meaning to tell me that from the 14th till the 30th, no space battle occurred at all?

Yet what happens? August 23rd, the return of Six to the frontlines. NA is under attack and its populace are being evacuated. A sitrep from a pilot reveals that in the two weeks since Six landed in the middle of nowhere that the UNSC fleet was scattered and forced to pull back. Furthermore as stated earlier for the second point, Covenant cruisers are able to enter Reach's atmosphere. That said it's indicative that there was a space battle between this time period over this particular sector of Reach, one that the UNSC lost and was forced to abandon.

This turn of events now puts into question how and where did the UNSC manage to safely regroup their space forces for one concentrated attack/defense of Reach on the 30th if that's what you're going for, and why would such a attack/defense be mounted given the state the planet is in now by this point with planet overrun by hostile ground forces.

How the MAC platforms and groundside generators managed to stay operation and relevant in this time span is also put up to question.

----------------------------

You see, the depth in making the book and game "fit" is vast, and unless all the points can be addressed there cannot be a strong argument in support of the "it fits" side. That in itself is a difficult task because the littlest changes can still affect everything else that subsequently follows. Bungie was probably right when they said that Halo:Reach fits canon like a puzzle, but it seems to be one that no one here has been able to complete.

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Posted by: cameo_cream
Reach does not follow canon. It breaks all the rules.
Wrong.

It breaks some rules.
Those being, lack of Cole Protocol enactment as you mentioned, and the PoA being on Reach.
Other than that, I can see it slotting in there with minimal damage to other canon sources.

  • 03.12.2011 4:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Posted by: Recovery 25
It doesn't override it fits. The events of the game happen from July 24 to August 29. The events for the Battle of Reach in the book all take place on August 30. That is why Bungie put the date for the last mission as August 29 so that the events for the book would still be considered canon. The events of the game are just the Covenant trying to soften up Reach and then in the book they deliver the knock out punch and end the battle in a day.


So it basically took a month after declaring Winter Contingency for ONI to realize that they have a Prowler docked in space that didn't have its nav data wiped out, thus necessitating the need for some Spartans to board Gamma station and wipe said data only for that mission to end with just one Spartan remaining.

Meanwhile, despite losing for the past two weeks to overwhelming forces, command decides to recall their last beacon of hope who are about embark on an operation to buy humanity time in the war....to defend some generators for orbital stations defending a doomed planet whose ground forces are ,and have been for the past two weeks, already overrun. This brilliant strategic reallocation of resources leads to the demise or incapacitation of all those Spartans from participating in Red Flag...

Oh yes it does fit when you put it that way, but makes the entire turn of events incredibly stupid as a result.


Not quite true. RED FLAG can never have existed because Halsey was under SWORD Base with the Cortana fragment examining that bullshyte Latchkey Artefact during the time she should have been over at CASTLE Base debriefing the Spartans on the operation.

lol remember? lol remember arbiter?

  • 03.12.2011 4:30 AM PDT


Posted by: Recovery 25
Really I argue like a child when you always come in a call me a moron instead of stating the reason why you think I'm wrong like a civil person. But you won't because you're a troll.


And you fail to realize simple base logic in a blind defense of Bungie despite their obvious incompitence regarding canon.

He has every reason, as do I and many others, to believe you're an imbecile.

  • 03.12.2011 6:07 AM PDT


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Posted by: cameo_cream
Reach does not follow canon. It breaks all the rules.
Wrong.

It breaks some rules.
Those being, lack of Cole Protocol enactment as you mentioned, and the PoA being on Reach.
Other than that, I can see it slotting in there with minimal damage to other canon sources.


Indeed, it hardly changes the canon outside of the little information we had about the battle of Reach beforehand.

Also, lol at the person thinking Halsey was in Sword base the ENTIRE campaign... Her journal specifically mentions that she did do the briefing at Castle base before returning to sword.

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  • 03.12.2011 9:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: cameo_cream
Reach does not follow canon. It breaks all the rules.
Wrong.

It breaks some rules.
Those being, lack of Cole Protocol enactment as you mentioned, and the PoA being on Reach.
Other than that, I can see it slotting in there with minimal damage to other canon sources.


Indeed, it hardly changes the canon outside of the little information we had about the battle of Reach beforehand.

Also, lol at the person thinking Halsey was in Sword base the ENTIRE campaign... Her journal specifically mentions that she did do the briefing at Castle base before returning to sword.


I never said the entire campaign, learn to read properly. -_-

Debriefing for Operation: RED FLAG took place August 30th where Halsey was at CASTLE Base with the surviving Spartans. This can't have happened anymore because she was under SWORD Base with Cortana, so she leaves with Jun and has to traverse to the other side of the continent to get to it.

Now, of course, the Autumn is apparently on Reach at the Aszod ship-breaking yard for repairs. Why does it need repairs when it was already repaired and upgraded in space? It shouldn't be on the planet at all.

The Package begins August 29th, 2552, 26:16 Hours, nearing the end of the day. The Pillar of Autumn begins August 30, 2552, 16:52 Hours. So tell me how Halsey and Jun are supposed to break through Covenant air patrols to get over the continent to CASTLE Base in the space of a few hours and debrief the Spartan-IIs whilst the Autumn is about to leave the planet to go to Halo?

RED FLAG was put off when the Covenant arrived at Reach on the 30th in the novels, yet another contradiction as the Fleet of Particular Justice now arrived on the 14th...

RED FLAG can not have happened.

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