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Subject: Bungie would you please explain the canon for the Battle of Reach?


Posted by: Fly Boy 2113

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: privet caboose
Jun: "SWORD?! COVENANT OWN IN IT NOW!"

That quote alone, plus the fact that oh, I dunno, there are hundreds of Covenant vehicles and infantry in front of sword, Banshees flying overhead, two huge AA turrets set up, and covenant inside of the destroyed building itself, I'd say it's safe to say, THERE WAS NO WAY IN OR OUT.

That base was locked down. It was as good as destroyed. The fact the Journal says she was moving freely in and out of Sword is laughable.



Then why, pray tell, was that landing pad still with absolutely no Covenant presence on it, and why were there two Pelicans sitting completely unharmed on said landing pad? If there was no way out then there would have been more to the level after you get into Halsey's lab fighting your way out of the area under SWORD. Or they would have shown the remain members of Noble fight Covies on the landing pad in the cutscene.


Maybe the pelicans were called in or something.


Then you run into "Where are the pilots".

  • 03.13.2011 12:36 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: privet caboose
Jun: "SWORD?! COVENANT OWN IN IT NOW!"

That quote alone, plus the fact that oh, I dunno, there are hundreds of Covenant vehicles and infantry in front of sword, Banshees flying overhead, two huge AA turrets set up, and covenant inside of the destroyed building itself, I'd say it's safe to say, THERE WAS NO WAY IN OR OUT.

That base was locked down. It was as good as destroyed. The fact the Journal says she was moving freely in and out of Sword is laughable.



Then why, pray tell, was that landing pad still with absolutely no Covenant presence on it, and why were there two Pelicans sitting completely unharmed on said landing pad? If there was no way out then there would have been more to the level after you get into Halsey's lab fighting your way out of the area under SWORD. Or they would have shown the remain members of Noble fight Covies on the landing pad in the cutscene.


It was just horrible story telling. They have the base completely under covenant control. There was no reason for the pelicans to still be intact. The covenant had a huge number of forces in, and around the base. It should've been impossible to move in or out of the base.


Cmdr DaeFaron pretty much summed up my thoughts. Having a secure docking platform is not weak story telling at all, and we don't even know where exactly the landing pad is in relation to SWORD Base proper. And Covenant control of the area is obviously not as strong as some people seem to think, If Noble Team+ODSTs can slip in unnoticed, then obviously Halsey could come and go as she pleased from a secret landing platform.

  • 03.13.2011 12:48 PM PDT

The way that hanger looked, I'd have to say that was a secure landing pad + cargo loading zone.

I mean, if you look in the lab I believe there was some larger tram tracks/doors. And all that gear couldn't have been brought through the secret door in the middle of Sword Base.

  • 03.13.2011 12:54 PM PDT


Posted by: cameo_cream
Reach =/= canon

Apparently Reach writes its own canon and doesn't obey anything else Halo in the Haloverse.

  • 03.13.2011 12:58 PM PDT

What I don't get is whether Cortana and Master Chief have met before after playing the latest game. You'd anticipate so when you've played Halo CE, but Reach (as a prequel) suggests they haven't.
Confused ):

EDIT: My real question is probably: WTF is Cortana human-made or Forerunner? D:

[Edited on 03.13.2011 3:41 PM PDT]

  • 03.13.2011 3:40 PM PDT


Posted by: DemonFlavour
What I don't get is whether Cortana and Master Chief have met before after playing the latest game. You'd anticipate so when you've played Halo CE, but Reach (as a prequel) suggests they haven't.
Confused ):

EDIT: My real question is probably: WTF is Cortana human-made or Forerunner? D:


It was rather vague writing there, and it did wait sound a bit like Halsey was implying that, but no, it was just a fragment of Cortana studying the Artifact.

And she and Chief have already met, the "real" Cortana is where she should be while 'fragment' Cortana is off studying.

  • 03.13.2011 9:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Posted by: Recovery 25
It doesn't override it fits. The events of the game happen from July 24 to August 29. The events for the Battle of Reach in the book all take place on August 30. That is why Bungie put the date for the last mission as August 29 so that the events for the book would still be considered canon. The events of the game are just the Covenant trying to soften up Reach and then in the book they deliver the knock out punch and end the battle in a day.


So it basically took a month after declaring Winter Contingency for ONI to realize that they have a Prowler docked in space that didn't have its nav data wiped out, thus necessitating the need for some Spartans to board Gamma station and wipe said data only for that mission to end with just one Spartan remaining.

Meanwhile, despite losing for the past two weeks to overwhelming forces, command decides to recall their last beacon of hope who are about embark on an operation to buy humanity time in the war....to defend some generators for orbital stations defending a doomed planet whose ground forces are ,and have been for the past two weeks, already overrun. This brilliant strategic reallocation of resources leads to the demise or incapacitation of all those Spartans from participating in Red Flag...

Oh yes it does fit when you put it that way, but makes the entire turn of events incredibly stupid as a result.


Not quite true. RED FLAG can never have existed because Halsey was under SWORD Base with the Cortana fragment examining that bullshyte Latchkey Artefact during the time she should have been over at CASTLE Base debriefing the Spartans on the operation.

lol remember? lol remember arbiter?

You watch Arby 'n' Chief?

  • 03.14.2011 12:02 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
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Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: privet caboose
Jun: "SWORD?! COVENANT OWN IN IT NOW!"

That quote alone, plus the fact that oh, I dunno, there are hundreds of Covenant vehicles and infantry in front of sword, Banshees flying overhead, two huge AA turrets set up, and covenant inside of the destroyed building itself, I'd say it's safe to say, THERE WAS NO WAY IN OR OUT.

That base was locked down. It was as good as destroyed. The fact the Journal says she was moving freely in and out of Sword is laughable.



Then why, pray tell, was that landing pad still with absolutely no Covenant presence on it, and why were there two Pelicans sitting completely unharmed on said landing pad? If there was no way out then there would have been more to the level after you get into Halsey's lab fighting your way out of the area under SWORD. Or they would have shown the remain members of Noble fight Covies on the landing pad in the cutscene.


It was just horrible story telling. They have the base completely under covenant control. There was no reason for the pelicans to still be intact. The covenant had a huge number of forces in, and around the base. It should've been impossible to move in or out of the base.


Cmdr DaeFaron pretty much summed up my thoughts. Having a secure docking platform is not weak story telling at all, and we don't even know where exactly the landing pad is in relation to SWORD Base proper. And Covenant control of the area is obviously not as strong as some people seem to think, If Noble Team+ODSTs can slip in unnoticed, then obviously Halsey could come and go as she pleased from a secret landing platform.
That was an overland infiltration supported by air. There was also a diversionary air assault near the base as well. You can see it when you take out the Tyrant AAA guns.

The Forerunner artefact was several hundred metres east(?) of SWORD, and unless I'm very much mistaken, you can actually see SWORD as you fly past the artefact as you blow the charges above it.
So that landing pad is probably best part of 2-3km away from SWORD, and partway down a cliff face on the lip of a glacier.

  • 03.14.2011 2:37 AM PDT

Dark Neptune, a young amateur astronomer whose gaming life is no different from other teenagers of his age, though he controls it more strictly then others.

Bungie says:

It's our canon. STFU.

What were you expecting? No matter how much we complain and point out the major inconsistencies, the story of Halo: Reach is already told and has already screwed up what we have known since 2001.

  • 03.14.2011 3:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: Dark Neptune
Bungie says:

It's our canon. STFU.

What were you expecting? No matter how much we complain and point out the major inconsistencies, the story of Halo: Reach is already told and has already screwed up what we have known since 2001.


Only nitpickers and close-minded people have said that.

[Edited on 03.14.2011 4:07 AM PDT]

  • 03.14.2011 4:02 AM PDT


Posted by: manwith
Posted by: Dark Neptune
Bungie says:

It's our canon. STFU.

What were you expecting? No matter how much we complain and point out the major inconsistencies, the story of Halo: Reach is already told and has already screwed up what we have known since 2001.


Only nitpickers and close-minded people have said that.


I'm with manwith here. Most everyone saying Reach destroyed Halo canon is getting deeply offended over nothing and letting that color their reasoning, thus blinding themselves to alternative ideas or solutions to what has not already been fixed by Halsey's Journal.

  • 03.14.2011 7:47 AM PDT


Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: privet caboose
Jun: "SWORD?! COVENANT OWN IN IT NOW!"

That quote alone, plus the fact that oh, I dunno, there are hundreds of Covenant vehicles and infantry in front of sword, Banshees flying overhead, two huge AA turrets set up, and covenant inside of the destroyed building itself, I'd say it's safe to say, THERE WAS NO WAY IN OR OUT.

That base was locked down. It was as good as destroyed. The fact the Journal says she was moving freely in and out of Sword is laughable.



Then why, pray tell, was that landing pad still with absolutely no Covenant presence on it, and why were there two Pelicans sitting completely unharmed on said landing pad? If there was no way out then there would have been more to the level after you get into Halsey's lab fighting your way out of the area under SWORD. Or they would have shown the remain members of Noble fight Covies on the landing pad in the cutscene.


It was just horrible story telling. They have the base completely under covenant control. There was no reason for the pelicans to still be intact. The covenant had a huge number of forces in, and around the base. It should've been impossible to move in or out of the base.


Cmdr DaeFaron pretty much summed up my thoughts. Having a secure docking platform is not weak story telling at all, and we don't even know where exactly the landing pad is in relation to SWORD Base proper. And Covenant control of the area is obviously not as strong as some people seem to think, If Noble Team+ODSTs can slip in unnoticed, then obviously Halsey could come and go as she pleased from a secret landing platform.
That was an overland infiltration supported by air. There was also a diversionary air assault near the base as well. You can see it when you take out the Tyrant AAA guns.

The Forerunner artefact was several hundred metres east(?) of SWORD, and unless I'm very much mistaken, you can actually see SWORD as you fly past the artefact as you blow the charges above it.
So that landing pad is probably best part of 2-3km away from SWORD, and partway down a cliff face on the lip of a glacier.


The charges above SWORD or the Artifact? Which one are you referring to? I always thought it was SWORD Base you were watching get destroyed as they fly off.

That sounds about right I think. Sounds like something the Covenant would have no way of knowing about, especially since they had to blast a way into the Artifact's cavern from above and didn't send troops in through landing platform or leave anybody there to hold it or anything.

Actually that starts once you take out the AA guns, and it wasn't diversionary, it was part of Noble's assault on SWORD to take out defenses and make things easier on themselves, and also to clear away the more dangerous defense before landing.
It actually doesn't tell us how Six and the ODSTs got there, but I think we can be damn certain they didn't walk there XD They were probably dropped off by the air transport out of range of the AA guns to take the overland route and clear away the defenses for the rest of the team.

[Edited on 03.14.2011 7:55 AM PDT]

  • 03.14.2011 7:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: Recovery 25
It doesn't override it fits. The events of the game happen from July 24 to August 29. The events for the Battle of Reach in the book all take place on August 30. That is why Bungie put the date for the last mission as August 29 so that the events for the book would still be considered canon. The events of the game are just the Covenant trying to soften up Reach and then in the book they deliver the knock out punch and end the battle in a day.

Ever heard of domino, tool 25?

  • 03.14.2011 9:04 AM PDT

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yet.


Posted by: manwith
Posted by: Dark Neptune
Bungie says:

It's our canon. STFU.

What were you expecting? No matter how much we complain and point out the major inconsistencies, the story of Halo: Reach is already told and has already screwed up what we have known since 2001.


Only nitpickers and close-minded people have said that.

Insulting other like this is like saying "I lost".

  • 03.14.2011 9:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: cameo_cream
Reach =/= canon

Apparently Reach writes its own canon and doesn't obey anything else Halo in the Haloverse.

  • 03.14.2011 9:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: privet caboose
Jun: "SWORD?! COVENANT OWN IN IT NOW!"

That quote alone, plus the fact that oh, I dunno, there are hundreds of Covenant vehicles and infantry in front of sword, Banshees flying overhead, two huge AA turrets set up, and covenant inside of the destroyed building itself, I'd say it's safe to say, THERE WAS NO WAY IN OR OUT.

That base was locked down. It was as good as destroyed. The fact the Journal says she was moving freely in and out of Sword is laughable.



Then why, pray tell, was that landing pad still with absolutely no Covenant presence on it, and why were there two Pelicans sitting completely unharmed on said landing pad? If there was no way out then there would have been more to the level after you get into Halsey's lab fighting your way out of the area under SWORD. Or they would have shown the remain members of Noble fight Covies on the landing pad in the cutscene.


It was just horrible story telling. They have the base completely under covenant control. There was no reason for the pelicans to still be intact. The covenant had a huge number of forces in, and around the base. It should've been impossible to move in or out of the base.


Cmdr DaeFaron pretty much summed up my thoughts. Having a secure docking platform is not weak story telling at all, and we don't even know where exactly the landing pad is in relation to SWORD Base proper. And Covenant control of the area is obviously not as strong as some people seem to think, If Noble Team+ODSTs can slip in unnoticed, then obviously Halsey could come and go as she pleased from a secret landing platform.

Halsey=/=Noble Team

  • 03.14.2011 9:10 AM PDT

Yeah, so Halsey would have an easier time as she is alone, and using a secluded cargo access point for the lab instead of the main base.

  • 03.14.2011 9:29 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yeah, so Halsey would have an easier time as she is alone, and using a secluded cargo access point for the lab instead of the main base.


Again you sum up part of my thoughs DaeFaron, you must be psychic or something XD

Also, the situation would be the same, both would be flying in or out of SWORD's area, the only difference is that Halsey would be flying to and from a "secret" landing platform and Noble was out flying in a secluded area until Six destroyed the AA guns.

  • 03.14.2011 9:43 AM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yeah, so Halsey would have an easier time as she is alone, and using a secluded cargo access point for the lab instead of the main base.


Again you sum up part of my thoughs DaeFaron, you must be psychic or something XD

Also, the situation would be the same, both would be flying in or out of SWORD's area, the only difference is that Halsey would be flying to and from a "secret" landing platform and Noble was out flying in a secluded area until Six destroyed the AA guns.


Common sense ftw?

  • 03.14.2011 9:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: OrderedComa
I'm with manwith here. Most everyone saying Reach destroyed Halo canon is getting deeply offended over nothing and letting that color their reasoning, thus blinding themselves to alternative ideas or solutions to what has not already been fixed by Halsey's Journal.


The problem is the alternative and solutions are god damn awful. I'm fine with Bungie altering canon, sure, but they should at least improve it rather than worsen in. The story in the game is absolutely terrible.

  • 03.14.2011 9:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: Glitter
Posted by: OrderedComa
I'm with manwith here. Most everyone saying Reach destroyed Halo canon is getting deeply offended over nothing and letting that color their reasoning, thus blinding themselves to alternative ideas or solutions to what has not already been fixed by Halsey's Journal.


The problem is the alternative and solutions are god damn awful. I'm fine with Bungie altering canon, sure, but they should at least improve it rather than worsen in. The story in the game is absolutely terrible.

  • 03.14.2011 10:02 AM PDT
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Posted by: Glitter
Posted by: OrderedComa
I'm with manwith here. Most everyone saying Reach destroyed Halo canon is getting deeply offended over nothing and letting that color their reasoning, thus blinding themselves to alternative ideas or solutions to what has not already been fixed by Halsey's Journal.


The problem is the alternative and solutions are god damn awful. I'm fine with Bungie altering canon, sure, but they should at least improve it rather than worsen in. The story in the game is absolutely terrible.


That's your opinion. I thought Reach's campaign, for the most part, made sense. Sure there were moments it felt lacking, but that can be said on any game.

  • 03.14.2011 10:23 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yeah, so Halsey would have an easier time as she is alone, and using a secluded cargo access point for the lab instead of the main base.


Again you sum up part of my thoughs DaeFaron, you must be psychic or something XD

Also, the situation would be the same, both would be flying in or out of SWORD's area, the only difference is that Halsey would be flying to and from a "secret" landing platform and Noble was out flying in a secluded area until Six destroyed the AA guns.


Common sense ftw?


Indeed, commons sense always wins.

  • 03.14.2011 10:28 AM PDT

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