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Subject: Bungie would you please explain the canon for the Battle of Reach?


Posted by: Glitter
Posted by: OrderedComa
I'm with manwith here. Most everyone saying Reach destroyed Halo canon is getting deeply offended over nothing and letting that color their reasoning, thus blinding themselves to alternative ideas or solutions to what has not already been fixed by Halsey's Journal.


The problem is the alternative and solutions are god damn awful. I'm fine with Bungie altering canon, sure, but they should at least improve it rather than worsen in. The story in the game is absolutely terrible.


Well the people coming up with theories or ideas of how what hasn't been explained yet fits together, no matter how horrible they are, have one up on the people sitting the "complainers" just sitting there with their fingers in their ears and refusing to acknowledge that the story is not ruined beyond repair. They just want to hold on to their supposed grievance and hate on Bungie for "ruining" Halo. At least some people, myself included, are willing to work out solutions to questions that remain.

  • 03.14.2011 10:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: Glitter
Posted by: OrderedComa
I'm with manwith here. Most everyone saying Reach destroyed Halo canon is getting deeply offended over nothing and letting that color their reasoning, thus blinding themselves to alternative ideas or solutions to what has not already been fixed by Halsey's Journal.

The problem is the alternative and solutions are god damn awful. I'm fine with Bungie altering canon, sure, but they should at least improve it rather than worsen in. The story in the game is absolutely terrible.

Well the people coming up with theories or ideas of how what hasn't been explained yet fits together, no matter how horrible they are, have one up on the people sitting the "complainers" just sitting there with their fingers in their ears and refusing to acknowledge that the story is not ruined beyond repair. They just want to hold on to their supposed grievance and hate on Bungie for "ruining" Halo. At least some people, myself included, are willing to work out solutions to questions that remain.


Why would we try and fix something that is crap? Why would anyone that thinks the new story is god awful feel the urge the help fit things together?

We arent trying to find solutions on the basis that we shouldnt have to stick this mess back together for Bungie. Reach breaks canon and that's all there is to it. The re-release of the book and Halsey's journal fix very little. We liked the old canon better, so we sure as hell arent gonna help fix the sloppy new canon.

The fact that you even have to try and find solutions for Bungie just proves that the canon has been broken. Rather than sticking our fingers in our ears and telling ourselves "bungie did it, it must be okay" we actually question their poor choices.

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  • 03.15.2011 5:04 AM PDT
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ok ok slow down buddie your thinking to much about this the pelican may or may not of hit air patrols or it could of it also could have hade help from falcons or any ground resistance that was left bungie made the games and had a say in the book ok alsoif you read fall of reach the book it was made before the game so calm down of course its not going to be the same as the game because it was based on spartan II not spartan III.

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i like how some one isnt -blam!-ing bout halo and hate how the other is f you are a true halo fan and have followed it all the way through than you would of loved this game as much as the others did also its not supposed to follow the stroy line of other games or books its a whole new prespective of the game your looking through the eyes of a spartan 3 not a spartan 2 so calm down ok of course the game is going to be diffrent from the books if it was based on the books it would be very boring and if they made this about the master chief then the game would be very very boring because e only fights on reach a couple of times before he is stuck in space there would probably be only about 4-6 missions and a very short campaing so stfu stop complaining and ruining the game for every one else.

  • 03.15.2011 6:07 AM PDT
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obviously she is human made she is a flash clone of Dr.Halseys brain but since there is forruner tech around she has learnes alot from it obviously you can tell that she is humman made to because she looks like halsey but younger

  • 03.15.2011 6:11 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
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Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: manwith
Posted by: Dark Neptune
Bungie says:

It's our canon. STFU.

What were you expecting? No matter how much we complain and point out the major inconsistencies, the story of Halo: Reach is already told and has already screwed up what we have known since 2001.


Only nitpickers and close-minded people have said that.
It's canon.
Canon is what is supposed to be absolute gospel within that fictional universe - it's where the term comes from, canon was originally a term to refer to the religious testaments.

If people aren't nit-picky about Universe canon of all things, then they're not treating it as canon, because you are effectively accepting that things don't add up and you simply don't care.

  • 03.15.2011 12:32 PM PDT


Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: manwith
Posted by: Dark Neptune
Bungie says:

It's our canon. STFU.

What were you expecting? No matter how much we complain and point out the major inconsistencies, the story of Halo: Reach is already told and has already screwed up what we have known since 2001.


Only nitpickers and close-minded people have said that.
It's canon.
Canon is what is supposed to be absolute gospel within that fictional universe - it's where the term comes from, canon was originally a term to refer to the religious testaments.

If people aren't nit-picky about Universe canon of all things, then they're not treating it as canon, because you are effectively accepting that things don't add up and you simply don't care.


Problem lies when people focus on the problem, however big, and ignore all answers. They focus on it so much that simple changes to a single battle now somehow destroy the ENTIRE CANON.

I think those people don't truly care about canon, they just want thing they don't like out of it. Hell, we have a simple rule for Canon, that's been in place for a long while. How come it doesn't apply to Reach? Why is the book suddenly the far greater source of canon on this battle? We don't have much information from the limited viewpoints of the battle we saw.

There is a difference between noticing and thinking about slight errors, and focusing and making them far larger then they truly are.

  • 03.15.2011 12:49 PM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Sticking with the religious meaning of canon, Cmdr, what Bungie did to the Battle of Reach is like the Pope holding mass in Rome tomorrow, and suddenly saying there were actually 23 disciples and that Jesus was actually hung on the cross when he was closer to 50, rather than 20-25, and it was after going to war with the Roman Empire, which no-one knew or had discovered until today.

And then re-writing the Bible to accommodate it. Just how many people do you think would accept that?
I take the same viewpoint on canon, and thus this forum.

Canon is something to be learned and studied, so it can be suitably, intelligently discussed and at great length.
If it is changed, that means that people are now wrong when they weren't before and have to learn the new information.

This is a fictional Universe, so should be incredibly easy to avoid such issues of overtreading and replacing and changing canon - you can just write a new piece of canon that is separate.
I really don't think the argument 'it's fictional, so who cares' (a sentiment shared by an unfortunately large proportion of this forum) does or even should wash.

[Edited on 03.15.2011 12:57 PM PDT]

  • 03.15.2011 12:54 PM PDT

I fail to see the drastic comparison matching up.

What Bungie has showed us is that the battle actually took longer then a few hours (Which was kinda crazy anyway.)

Given that in the book the battle was shown from limited viewpoints, is it that odd that somebody with a different viewpoint would have a different take?

Edit: We also don't know if the Halo bible already had this information in it. Bungie and 343 both take the book and Reach as canon, bungie has said it fits and 343 has a video which talks about the space battle with elements of both.

[Edited on 03.15.2011 1:02 PM PDT]

  • 03.15.2011 12:58 PM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

To me, the way it appears in the book and in the game, it looks like someone took both stories, got a nailgun, and stuck the two together.

Reach doesn't even directly match up to any other piece of canon, its story impacts in no way on any other.
However, TFOR has direct story arcs which crash into later novels.

As such - I feel that only TFOR can be canon. TFOR has its events verified and expanded upon in multiple novels. Reach has things that aren't verified, or even exist for many years down the line of novel releases.
The way it stands out against other canon is like a hoaxed artefact in an archaeological dig.

  • 03.15.2011 1:05 PM PDT

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