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Subject: What if the Brutes didn't exist?


Posted by: Gamer Whale
I'd say that elites would have realised that it was humans that showed up on luminary. Can't say what would have happened after that.


They probably would have figured it out much quicker than the Brutes anyway, don't know exactly what they would have done, but they probably would have liked humans, if they questioned Dadab and Lighter than Some about the destruction of the Jackal ship.

  • 03.12.2011 10:19 AM PDT


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Posted by: Gamer Whale
I'd say that elites would have realised that it was humans that showed up on luminary. Can't say what would have happened after that.


They probably would have figured it out much quicker than the Brutes anyway, don't know exactly what they would have done, but they probably would have liked humans, if they questioned Dadab and Lighter than Some about the destruction of the Jackal ship.


Probably would have caught onto the 'reclaimer'/'reclamation' thing early.

  • 03.12.2011 10:23 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Factor in the Arbiters discovery about the true purpose of the rings, and the Elites already failing belief in the Covenant and the Prophets, I think that they would have still broken off. Even though they were fighting the Brutes at the start of the Great Schism, the Elites still viewed Humanity and Halo the same as before. They did not learn the truth until later on.

Posted by: Naked Crook
This behavior is indicative of an Elite fan...someone who is such a xenophile for Elites, he/she will descend into a fit of madness over any comment insulting the object of their personal desires.

Fans =/= Fanboys

  • 03.12.2011 11:27 AM PDT

Storywise things would be doomed for humanity. Truth couldn't have used the Brutes (Tartarus especially) to gain control over the entire Covenant on his own. The Elites wouldn't have left, and the Civil War would never happen.
No Civil War means a Covenant at full strength.
No Elites on UNSC side means Humanity was F-d.

Although I can imagine Truth might have used the Jackals in the same way he used Brutes. Jackals weren't loyal to the Covenant, hated the higher ranks and would have done anything for Truth if the price was high enough...

Gameplay wise:
Well, you could say Brutes were sometimes boring to fight, and getting rid of them would be "better". I however think Brutes added more variety. Without Brutes we would still be fighting the same foes as in Halo CE.....Imagine fighting the same foes over and over and over again for 5 games...THAT would have been boring.

  • 03.12.2011 11:32 AM PDT

I don't see him using jackals, mainly because they weren't loyal. Truth used the brutes because they were blindly loyal and followed his orders without question.

I'd say the elites would perhaps split once the truth of the great journey came out, but that's a maybe.

  • 03.12.2011 11:54 AM PDT
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What if the Brutes never existed? I am going to tell you...

No...

Wait...

I am not going to tell you. I am going to show you.

Here
Here
And Here

Man...those Elites sure were getting their butts whooped by that nobody Marine and his ODST friend.

Did you see how stupid those Elites were? They looked stupid! They looked incompetent. And yeah...this was played on Legendary. Even that Hunter got more kills than all of those Elites combined. Elites don't even know how to use Gravity Hammers...they must not be smart at all.

Wanna see how stupid the Arbiter is?

Here
And Here

All of a sudden...Elites look stupid...

We can admit Bungie sucks at coding AI...

or

We can admit that Brutes > Elites and Elites are boring as cardboard.

pick your poison. I don't deal in bias...I deal in fact.

[Edited on 03.12.2011 1:03 PM PST]

  • 03.12.2011 1:00 PM PDT

Yep, because AI scripting makes Elites stupid.

Oh, and those elites? Yeah funny fact is there were using Brute scripting there most likely since they are enemies, and that 'nobody marine' was using a gun more powerful then a simple assault rifle.

How about we admit you clearly hate Elites to the point of blindly stating "Brutes = bettar."

  • 03.12.2011 1:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yep, because AI scripting makes Elites stupid.

Oh, and those elites? Yeah funny fact is there were using Brute scripting there most likely since they are enemies, and that 'nobody marine' was using a gun more powerful then a simple assault rifle.

How about we admit you clearly hate Elites to the point of blindly stating "Brutes = bettar."


I call this "making excuses".

How much do you know about how Halo 3 is scripted? Nothing? That's right.

[Edited on 03.12.2011 1:09 PM PST]

  • 03.12.2011 1:08 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Naked Crook
We can admit Bungie sucks at coding AI...

Sounds most logical. Using modded videos of gameplay is not compelling evidence I will say.

Otherwise...

  • 03.12.2011 1:11 PM PDT
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I just play for fun. MLG can kiss my ass.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yep, because AI scripting makes Elites stupid.

Oh, and those elites? Yeah funny fact is there were using Brute scripting there most likely since they are enemies, and that 'nobody marine' was using a gun more powerful then a simple assault rifle.

How about we admit you clearly hate Elites to the point of blindly stating "Brutes = bettar."


He does seem to be a little biased, but I have to agree with him that without brutes things would be boring as cardboard. Unless you send said cardboard into deep space with a nuke.

  • 03.12.2011 1:12 PM PDT
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Guess how many times I died making that film?

  • 03.12.2011 1:12 PM PDT


Posted by: Caaaarrrl

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yep, because AI scripting makes Elites stupid.

Oh, and those elites? Yeah funny fact is there were using Brute scripting there most likely since they are enemies, and that 'nobody marine' was using a gun more powerful then a simple assault rifle.

How about we admit you clearly hate Elites to the point of blindly stating "Brutes = bettar."


He does seem to be a little biased, but I have to agree with him that without brutes things would be boring as cardboard. Unless you send said cardboard into deep space with a nuke.


Maybe it would be slightly boring, but that hardly makes Brutes = the most awesome thing in all existence.

  • 03.12.2011 1:16 PM PDT
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I just play for fun. MLG can kiss my ass.


Posted by: Naked Crook
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yep, because AI scripting makes Elites stupid.

Oh, and those elites? Yeah funny fact is there were using Brute scripting there most likely since they are enemies, and that 'nobody marine' was using a gun more powerful then a simple assault rifle.

How about we admit you clearly hate Elites to the point of blindly stating "Brutes = bettar."


I call this "making excuses".

How much do you know about how Halo 3 is scripted? Nothing? That's right.


There you go again! Acting like you know everything and we know nothing. If that doesn't make you a liberal, I don't know what would.

  • 03.12.2011 1:17 PM PDT

MLG = Man Lacking Girlfriend

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There wouldn't have been the civil war and the Elites wouldn't have joined the humans. Essentially Halo 2 and 3 would have been better.

  • 03.12.2011 1:19 PM PDT
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I would say in the domain how how the Halo Franchise works...I know more...

But yeah...the Elite in ODST video...I only died once. But you can see the vast difference between the AI Marines and the AI Elites.

The Marines fight back. The Elites flail around like children...scared to fight one Brute.

Just saying...that in a real environment...the Elites are very ineffective...and without the brutes...Halo would be close to ruined.

By the way...I have voted conservative in the past 3 federal elections. I am a Canadian in case you didn't know...I only vote conservative.

[Edited on 03.12.2011 1:22 PM PST]

  • 03.12.2011 1:22 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Naked Crook
Guess how many times I died making that film?

I don't follow you. What?

  • 03.12.2011 1:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Naked Crook
Guess how many times I died making that film?

I don't follow you. What?


Read one post up from yours bro...I should have answered the first time.

My apologies.


[Edited on 03.12.2011 1:23 PM PST]

  • 03.12.2011 1:23 PM PDT
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I just play for fun. MLG can kiss my ass.


Posted by: Naked Crook
I would say in the domain how how the Halo Franchise works...I know more...

But yeah...the Elite in ODST video...I only died once. But you can see the vast difference between the AI Marines and the AI Elites.

The Marines fight back. The Elites flail around like children...scared to fight one Brute.

Just saying...that in a real environment...the Elites are very ineffective...and without the brutes...Halo would be close to ruined.

By the way...I have voted conservative in the past 3 federal elections. I am a Canadian in case you didn't know...I only vote conservative.


Then you have a great way of hiding it. You act more like a liberal than a conservative.

  • 03.12.2011 1:24 PM PDT
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I personally don't care if you think I am a communist dictator.

Fact is...you are grasping at straws to argue with me because you know you have lost.

I have you on the ropes buddy...admit it.

  • 03.12.2011 1:26 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Naked Crook
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Naked Crook
Guess how many times I died making that film?

I don't follow you. What?


Read one post up from yours bro...I should have answered the first time.

My apologies.

Wait, so you made those videos?

  • 03.12.2011 1:27 PM PDT
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I just play for fun. MLG can kiss my ass.


Posted by: Naked Crook
I personally don't care if you think I am a communist dictator.

Fact is...you are grasping at straws to argue with me because you know you have lost.

I have you on the ropes buddy...admit it.


I don't know where you got that communist dictator thing from, but you do not have me on the ropes. I argue with you because now it's gotten to the point where you have become a troll. I haven't lost yet, because I have not yet begun to fight. So, give me your best shot.

[Edited on 03.12.2011 1:34 PM PST]

  • 03.12.2011 1:29 PM PDT
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Go to google.

Type in...

"Define: Troll"

You get...
Posted by: Caaaarrrl
I don't know where you got that communist dictator thing from, but you do not have me on the ropes. I argue with you because now it's entertaining for me. I haven't lost yet, because I have not yet begun to fight. So, give me your best shot.


Trolls just love to pick fights don't they?

  • 03.12.2011 1:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Naked Crook
What if the Brutes never existed? I am going to tell you...

No...

Wait...

I am not going to tell you. I am going to show you.

Here
Here
And Here

Man...those Elites sure were getting their butts whooped by that nobody Marine and his ODST friend.

Did you see how stupid those Elites were? They looked stupid! They looked incompetent. And yeah...this was played on Legendary. Even that Hunter got more kills than all of those Elites combined. Elites don't even know how to use Gravity Hammers...they must not be smart at all.

Wanna see how stupid the Arbiter is?

Here
And Here

All of a sudden...Elites look stupid...

We can admit Bungie sucks at coding AI...

or

We can admit that Brutes > Elites and Elites are boring as cardboard.

pick your poison. I don't deal in bias...I deal in fact.


Lol, your using AI from games to describe the Elites, how sad. I love the fact that Elites can take out a fleet 3 times their size lead by the Brutes. Brute are no shipmasters, the Prophets were idiots.

[Edited on 03.12.2011 1:38 PM PST]

  • 03.12.2011 1:33 PM PDT
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I just play for fun. MLG can kiss my ass.


Posted by: Naked Crook
Go to google.

Type in...

"Define: Troll"

You get...
Posted by: Caaaarrrl
I don't know where you got that communist dictator thing from, but you do not have me on the ropes. I argue with you because now it's entertaining for me. I haven't lost yet, because I have not yet begun to fight. So, give me your best shot.


Trolls just love to pick fights don't they?


How cute, you think I'm a troll. No sir, you are a troll, because you don't give ground. I agreed with you in that, without Brutes, halo would be boring as cardboard. Get your facts straight.

  • 03.12.2011 1:36 PM PDT

Posted by: Naked Crook
Posted by: Metroidman42
SHUT THE -blam!- UP BRUTES SUCK


What we have here...is a typical troll who loves Elites and hates on Brutes

Notice the low IQ, and the full caps-lock.

This behavior is indicative of an Elite fan...someone who is such a xenophile for Elites, he/she will descend into a fit of madness over any comment insulting the object of their personal desires.


Brute trying to sound smart?
What is this? :)

  • 03.12.2011 1:38 PM PDT