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Subject: Origin of Humanity?

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What planet did Humanity first originate? We all thought it was Earth due to fossil evidence but now with Halo:Cryptum everything is all thrown against a wall. We know that Pre-historic Human Civilization was not only stripped of technology but devolved so this explains why you would find proto-human fossils on Earth, however was Earth really the origin planet of Humanity? Or was it somewhere else?

  • 03.11.2011 9:28 PM PDT

Wait. Did someone actually use the term 'devolved'?

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  • 03.11.2011 9:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tycho 41 49
Wait. Did someone actually use the term 'devolved'?

Posted by: The Theory of Evolution
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I know it makes no sense, evolution is not a single path with a set goal. However it clearly states that in the book Humanity was "devolved"

  • 03.11.2011 10:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tycho 41 49
Wait. Did someone actually use the term 'devolved'?

Posted by: The Theory of Evolution
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I know it makes no sense, evolution is not a single path with a set goal. However it clearly states that in the book Humanity was "devolved"

Genocide on humans-> inbreeding-> loss of genetic material -> devolution.

Or... there were several planets the forerunner left as a reserve for humans, and humanity adapted to those environments over the years just like evolution says happens to isolated populations. Then they were brought back together on 1 planet by the forerunner.

I haven't had the pleasure to read the book, but wasn't it stated that the remaining groups of humans repopulated earth after the genocide?

  • 03.11.2011 11:27 PM PDT

Posted by: Reptilian Rob
It takes the established Foreunner canon and destroys it.

We had established forerunner canon?

  • 03.12.2011 2:22 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Created by the precursors

  • 03.12.2011 4:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: Reptilian Rob
Posted by: JJAB91
What planet did Humanity first originate? We all thought it was Earth due to fossil evidence but now with Halo:Cryptum everything is all thrown against a wall. We know that Pre-historic Human Civilization was not only stripped of technology but devolved so this explains why you would find proto-human fossils on Earth, however was Earth really the origin planet of Humanity? Or was it somewhere else?

Cryptum, if you look at it from a Halo lore standpoint is just outrageous. I stopped reading 1/4 of the way through because of how absurd it was.

It takes the established Foreunner canon and destroys it. But then again, I think Halo is becoming a franchise that will do anything for a quick buck.

Thanks 343!


Are you stupid, or something?

Cryptum has a grand total of 0 canon conflicts with the rest of the Halo universe. Everything within it is new because it's set before the Forerunner-Flood war, the only time we had detailed information on the Forerunners was the Terminals in Halo 3.

Try reading the book next time.

  • 03.12.2011 4:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: Reptilian Rob
Cryptum, if you look at it from a Halo lore standpoint is just outrageous. I stopped reading 1/4 of the way through because of how absurd it was.
No, not really. The only conflict that exists is the assumption that we made, based on the Terminals, that the Array and Mendicant Bias were created after the war with the Flood started, and that this was the first time anyone had encountered the Flood. But that, like I said, was surmised by us, not stated as fact. So in reality, nothing was changed. I can understand someone simply not liking the story, but thinking it is broken because it didn't go where you expected it it to? Tsk tsk.

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Posted by: Reptilian Rob
Cryptum, if you look at it from a Halo lore standpoint is just outrageous. I stopped reading 1/4 of the way through because of how absurd it was.

It takes the established Foreunner canon and destroys it. But then again, I think Halo is becoming a franchise that will do anything for a quick buck.

Thanks 343!
What established Forerunner canon? I don't remember any of this...

The Terminals are a brief exchange between Forerunners and their AIs, and have built a canonical foundation for Forerunners about as solid as liquid velvet.

Cryptum, in my eyes, is better than the rest of the Halo books... combined.

[Edited on 03.12.2011 6:31 AM PST]

  • 03.12.2011 6:30 AM PDT

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Created by the precursors

No.

  • 03.12.2011 6:56 AM PDT


Posted by: JJAB91

Posted by: hotshot revan II
Created by the precursors

No.


Why not? Even some Forerunners were under the impression we were created by them as well because of how we and the Forerunners (naturally) look almost exactly the same.

Bornstellar, for example, seems to be depicted a lot like a normal human 12 year old, until he gets his mutation. Then he seems to be more Spartan-esque, with larger muscles and such.

So why can't we be created by the Preursors?

  • 03.12.2011 7:00 AM PDT

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According to Bornstellar Makes Eternal Lasting's memory, the Humans first developed on Erde-Tyrene, Earth in our terms.

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Posted by: JJAB91
Posted by: hotshot revan II
Created by the precursors

No.
Some Forerunners suspect that the Precursors created all life, including the Humans and San 'Shyuum. However, this has yet to be stated as fact.

  • 03.12.2011 7:05 AM PDT

Posted by: H0FFman J
Genocide on humans-> inbreeding-> loss of genetic material -> devolution.

Or... there were several planets the forerunner left as a reserve for humans, and humanity adapted to those environments over the years just like evolution says happens to isolated populations. Then they were brought back together on 1 planet by the forerunner.

I haven't had the pleasure to read the book, but wasn't it stated that the remaining groups of humans repopulated earth after the genocide?

Evolution does not work that way. See here. Basically the term devolution does not make sense. Science! I'm actually disappointed someone legitimately used that term in the halo books.

  • 03.12.2011 8:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: JJAB91
Posted by: hotshot revan II
Created by the precursors

No.
Some Forerunners suspect that the Precursors created all life, including the Humans and San 'Shyuum. However, this has yet to be stated as fact.


It might be true,the Forerunners said that the precursors gave them image and shape and so.The prisoner confirmed it.

  • 03.12.2011 8:38 AM PDT


Posted by: Tycho 41 49
Posted by: H0FFman J
Genocide on humans-> inbreeding-> loss of genetic material -> devolution.

Or... there were several planets the forerunner left as a reserve for humans, and humanity adapted to those environments over the years just like evolution says happens to isolated populations. Then they were brought back together on 1 planet by the forerunner.

I haven't had the pleasure to read the book, but wasn't it stated that the remaining groups of humans repopulated earth after the genocide?

Evolution does not work that way. See here. Basically the term devolution does not make sense. Science! I'm actually disappointed someone legitimately used that term in the halo books.


Science- Fiction ....?

The Forerunners forced it upon the humans. They had the ability to manipulate the genes and destinies of entire civilizations, I don't thing forcing biological and societal "de"evolution upon a race is that big of a deal for them.

Also note: in the very beginning of Cryptum, before the story even begins, it states the AI who translated the book had to translate words to english using the most accurate terms it could manage, but it wasn't perfect. Devolution is likely just a term the translator AI made up to describe what the Forerunners did to humanity.

  • 03.12.2011 8:42 AM PDT

Indeed... Earth not being the humans' home planet would contradict all the DNA evidence we have. Unless Bear made a gross scientific oversight or intentionally took a dump on every biologist in existence, we are forced to conclude that Earth is the planet humanity originated on.

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Indeed... Earth not being the humans' home planet would contradict all the DNA evidence we have. Unless Bear made a gross scientific oversight or intentionally took a dump on every biologist in existence, we are forced to conclude that Earth is the planet humanity originated on.


That's what Born says.

  • 03.12.2011 8:46 AM PDT

Do you know what kind of hat I'm wearing?

A party hat; you don't get one. An honor will this party be, a party in your honor, for your honor. Some of Tfear's personal guards are going to be there. You'll be introduced shortly.

Prepare to die.

Posted by: Tycho 41 49
Posted by: H0FFman J
Genocide on humans-> inbreeding-> loss of genetic material -> devolution.

Or... there were several planets the forerunner left as a reserve for humans, and humanity adapted to those environments over the years just like evolution says happens to isolated populations. Then they were brought back together on 1 planet by the forerunner.

I haven't had the pleasure to read the book, but wasn't it stated that the remaining groups of humans repopulated earth after the genocide?

Evolution does not work that way. See here. Basically the term devolution does not make sense. Science! I'm actually disappointed someone legitimately used that term in the halo books.

I stand corrected, but the only thing that is wrong is the term devolution.
It is possible that humanity evolved into different species.

Would it make more sense if the word "devolution" was replaced by "evolution into other species as a consequence of reproductive isolation."?

  • 03.12.2011 8:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: JJAB91
What planet did Humanity first originate? We all thought it was Earth due to fossil evidence but now with Halo:Cryptum everything is all thrown against a wall. We know that Pre-historic Human Civilization was not only stripped of technology but devolved so this explains why you would find proto-human fossils on Earth, however was Earth really the origin planet of Humanity? Or was it somewhere else?

Cryptum, if you look at it from a Halo lore standpoint is just outrageous. I stopped reading 1/4 of the way through because of how absurd it was.

It takes the established Foreunner canon and destroys it. But then again, I think Halo is becoming a franchise that will do anything for a quick buck.

Thanks 343!
What established canon?

I do not recall there being much canon on the forerunners anyway.

  • 03.12.2011 9:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: JJAB91
What planet did Humanity first originate? We all thought it was Earth due to fossil evidence but now with Halo:Cryptum everything is all thrown against a wall. We know that Pre-historic Human Civilization was not only stripped of technology but devolved so this explains why you would find proto-human fossils on Earth, however was Earth really the origin planet of Humanity? Or was it somewhere else?
Erde-Tyrene.

AKA, Earth.

  • 03.12.2011 9:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: Tycho 41 49
Wait. Did someone actually use the term 'devolved'?

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I'm listing to them right now xD

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