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Posted by: switch 104 sv
The argument that both Alpha and Beta Company were completely wiped out on their respective missions is flat out wrong. It is true to an extent i.e. all of the Spartan IIIs that were sent on their company's respective suicide OPs died (excluding Tom and Lucy). However, there are explanations for each of the members of Noble still being alive after their company's destruction:
Kat (Beta Company)
According to Kurt's Transmission, Kat was not deployed on TORPEDO, due to her being injured during the previous operation, CARTWHEEL. Kurt used her medical recovery time to keep her out of her company' destruction.
Noble 6 (Beta Compnay)
"Nine hadn't made it." Ghosts of Onyx, page 14.
Based off this we know that nine Spartans were not present during TORPEDO that Tom was led to believe were deployed. However, his/her Performance Report explains how he/she was affiliated with ONI as an assassin. ONI have a habit of "commandeering" Spartans. It is likely that Noble 6 is one of the nine who "died" on entry.
Carter, Emile, Jun (Alpha Company)
It is now obvious that Kurt withheld numerous Spartan IIIs from their company's final missions. Evidence of this is his transmission regarding Beta Company, but more importantly the existence of the Headhunters. Even if all other eight Beta company "deaths", not including N6, were put into the Headhunter program, this is not enough to make up the numbers. At the program's height there were 6 two-man teams, 12 Spartans, with 17 others rotating into positions when one or more of a team was killed. That is 29 Spartan IIIs needed, and clearly they can't all be Beta Spartans because the numbers don't add up. It is also obvious that Gamma Company cannot be included based on deployment time and age. This means that the others would have to be from from Alpha, and there we have clear evidence that Spartans were witheld from PROMETHEUS, which leaves room to say that Carter, Emile and Jun were also saved.
Ghost of Onyx is 100% canon, but the perspective from which the book is written leaves room to allow for the survival of more Spartan IIIs than the novel actually implies. Basically, GoO is right to say that all the Spartan IIIs of Alpha and Beta died But obviously, in actual fact, that is not the case, as I have explained above. Reach, and by extension Evolutions, does not break canon by including the survival of Sparta IIIs from Alpha and Beta Companies.
yes, agree with you one hundred percent, Ghosts of Onyx gave us a a minimum of details that are now being expanded on, and what we previous knew can either be attributed to the characters not knowing the actual truth, such as with Beta, or simply learning new facts, like that Kurt and Mendez pulled some IIIs out to form Headhunter teams and larger teams like Noble.