- Reiginko
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Posted by: Give me Cookies
Now I'm probably going to get blacklisted for this(again), but I think it is an important thing that all have noticed, but few are brave enough to say.
Actually, someone this "brave" usually posts every second week. Usually it's someone who didn't realise that calling people "-blam!- noobs whose -blam!- length is less than my ability to behave appropriately in a social situation" (or whatever) could be construed as "abusive, harassing, ... vulgar, obscene, hateful ... or otherwise objectionable content" (see the Bungie.net code of conduct), and assumed that they were banned because they thought they were cool by acting all maverick and using an anonymous persona on an internet forum to unconstructively criticise the hard work of talented people, but let's not go there.
The Mods are out of control. And being inefficient while doing so
The mods are out of control. They have the right to really do whatever they want, but doesn't mean they should.
This is in fact, not true. If you have a grievance about a decision made by a Bungie.net moderator, you can message them about it. If you are unsatisfied with their response, or if they don't respond (which is understandable considering how many messages they receive every day), you can take it up with one of the Master Forum Ninjas (stosh, Shishka, Recon Number 54 or Yoozel). If you're still unsatisfied, you can message Achronos. If you go straight to Achronos without talking to the moderators first, he will be extremely pissed off and ignore you. If you were banned for genuinely unacceptable reasons, you will be immediately unbanned, and the guy who did it will receive a reprimand. Thing is though, not once has this happened. The closest I ever did was when I accidentally banned Ghandi 2 - I think I managed to get Shishka to unban him before he even noticed. :P That's about as irresponsible as the mods get here.
I too have the right to play my music as loud as I want, but it doesn't mean I should or will.
Well, not really, since noise pollution is a criminal offence, but that's another story for another day.
They do not allow any anti bungie or anti halo(1,2) discussions take place. Once they see a even mildly off topic post they will lock it, even if the discussion contained in it is productive. Once one person posts a thread with a subject of "WTF Bungie?", "Cheating hasn't been fixed.", or "Bungie hasn't done anything!" the mods will throw a ban and then lock a thread.
I worked with these people for more than a year, and I can tell you that the moderators on the bungie.net are as careful as they could possibly be. When I got to this paragraph of your post, I knew that you're just an angry child who just likes to complain. People are never banned from Bungie.net for merely stating that they don't like Bungie, or Halo, or Halo 2, or Marathon, or whatever. Of course, if the post is a personal attack on someone who works for Bungie, the poster in question will be immediately banned, as personal attacks of any kind contravene the bungie.net code of conduct, which, incidentally, everybody agrees to when they register as a member of this website.
I understand that a large majority of those posts(i've made a few too) are written like a retarded chipmunk on crack wrote it, but the truth remains that, even on ones that are in direct opposition to bungies practices, yet worded politely and constructively, are locked, and the poster, more times than not is off to the big bad blacklist.
They're locked mainly because everyone's heard the same tired arguments several hundred times before in the past year or so since Halo 2 came out, and nobody really cares any more. Look at it this way. Most people decide whether they like a game or not off their own backs. They don't need someone else (or, in this case, hundreds of someones, every single week on these very forums) to point out the flaws and positive elements of whatever game. And since everybody who posts on the subject says almost exactly the same thing, anyone likely to be persuaded has probably already been persuaded, and hearing the same thing again won't make anyone else come over to your point of view. As for people being banned for criticising Bungie or Halo, unless you're acting like a jerk (ie flaming everyone in sight to pieces), you aren't going to be banned.
If having your topic locked is not enough, the mods, in an attempt to further put down the poster and make themselves look perfect, will often post a short passage that goes directly with what the original poster complained about. for example the poster could complain about the frequency of cheaters and then the mod will lock it saying that cheaters were being reduced by millions at a time, saying that there are very few cheaters. Those types of obvlious responses to an obviously distraght person only further create more dislike of the mods in the general community.
So, what you're saying is that you'd prefer the mods to lock a topic, and not explain why it was locked? I don't have Xbox Live myself, but from everything I've read from people who know what's going on (that is, the people who actually see all the cheater accounts get automatically banned), huge numbers of people have been banned from Halo 2 matchmaking for cheating. In addition, this topic has also been discussed to death, and every time someone says that cheaters are getting banned (or, even more absurdly, that the fact that cheaters can just get another free trial account is somehow Bungie's fault), that someone is flat-out wrong, so the moderator in question has every right to explain to this individual that their complaint is not necessarily justified.
Another great habit of the mods is locking posts and not leaving a reason why. I know that some of the posts which are locked are obvious infractions. However, not all of the locked posts' misgivings are as clear as day. If the goal of locking an inapproiate post is to deter people from breaking the rules, it is very contradictory to lock a thread without at least putting a one line response of what type of infraction was committed at least. Locking a thread before anybody even posts in it is a waste of the posters time, and a waste of the moderators time as well, as most infractions(the lesser ones) are committed by the same people,mostly for lack of knowledge of what they are doing wrong.
I can't speak for other people, but when I locked or deleted a thread without giving a reason why in the thread, I messaged the original poster telling them why. A thread is locked because it doesn't need to be there. When a moderator posts in the thread before locking it, it bumps the thread to the top, which is counter to the aim of locking the thread, which is to make it sink to the bottom of the forum.
Now. The mods have a choice. recognize these erroneous tendancies of theirs and make bungie a better place for all, (including those who bend the rules), or lock this, blacklist me, and continue on is their cloud of oblivion.
Your ultimatum lacks an actual legitimate choice, and it's also not much of an ultimatum anyway considering that you have nothing as an incentive to make the mods bow down to your inflated ego. The option I would suggest the mods follow would be to carry on as they do now. Check out how this thread hasn't been locked! Check out how you haven't been blacklisted! Check out how they haven't agreed with you!
Here's the bottom line. The moderators have a job to do, which is to make sure that everybody follows the forum rules, the terms of use, and the code of conduct. If somebody doesn't follow these rules (and it's pretty easy to follow them; in four-odd years of using this site, I didn't break them once, to the best of my knowledge; well except from that one time when I called everyone on the forum noobs, but that was before stosh was a moderator and made that rule up so ha ha ha stinky), then the moderators must make sure that user doesn't break them again, either by a warning, a temporary blacklist, or a permanent blacklist. I know these guys. They aren't the sort of -blam!-s who ban you just because they disagree with you. If that were true, then all the mods would probably have banned each other by now.
And no, I'm not back. I just stopped by to check the place out and saw this post. -blam!- like this pisses me off.
- Reiginko