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Subject: Brutes, what do you guys think of them?

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Brutes:

Space monkeys. They're completely uninteresting characters. The only two brutes who had any development where Tartarus and Maccabeus. Brutes have "pack mentality" and are just plain savages. They hardly use tactics, and simply charge and rely on brute strength.

I find that extremely bald and uninteresting. The Elites rely on tactics, have a code of honor which is far more interesting, and have excellent team work. Their weapons are also much more sophisticated than the brutes.

I find all brute technology, including the hammer, to be boring. The only redeemable weapon they had was the Brute shot, and it wasn't even in Reach. The sword and various other Elite weapons are just more fun to use.

And the biggest reason why I dislike the brutes? They aren't fun to fight anymore.

In Halo 2, you had to make sure you had enough ammo, and maybe even a superior position when you thought about challenging a brute. They were fearsome foes that were plentiful in number. They berserk'd and rushed you and were pretty fun to fight. In Halo 3 and ODST, they're simply watered down elites. They wear armor, and all you have to do is knock the armor off and you win. They charge you, which gives you a clear shot at their head, for the instant kill. The Reach brutes? Pathetic. They don't even berserk.


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They were my favorite enemies in Halo 2.

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Posted by: privet caboose
Brutes:

Space monkeys. They're completely uninteresting characters. The only two brutes who had any development where Tartarus and Maccabeus.


This is why I blame the writers. They just wanted to cut corners and make easy bad guys. You hate the Brutes because of what terrible writers are dishing out. If you had any common sense, you would see this, and say this, and at LEAST, cut them some slack as far is this is concerned. Terrible writing has caused this. The writers got lazy, and they took cheap shots. It is why I call the books schlock.

Posted by: privet caboose
The Elites rely on tactics, have a code of honor which is far more interesting, and have excellent team work. Their weapons are also much more sophisticated than the brutes.


Again, this is all just what the the writers decided to do. The Elites were protagonists, so you have to make them look good. But this is HOW you know the story writing is bad. When the writers put nothing but the best qualities into the protagonists, and not give them a single failing, and just cutting corners with the antagonists, not giving them something the reader can sympathize with, I think you need another re-write...or someone needs to be fired.

Posted by: privet caboose
I find all brute technology, including the hammer, to be boring. The only redeemable weapon they had was the Brute shot, and it wasn't even in Reach. The sword and various other Elite weapons are just more fun to use.


How is a sword more exciting than a hammer? They are both melee weapons, they can both kill something in one hit, they both allow for lunge (strictly speaking in terms of the video games) and both can be handled with expert skill and precision.

While the Hammer does feel like a more blunt force trauma weapon, it is only interesting in the hands of Brutes because unlike Elites and Humans, who are too weak to have fluent movement with the hammer, Brutes have the physical strength to use them to their full potential. I have never seen an Elite handle a Gravity Hammer with one hand...have you? I can show you a Brute who has used one with one hand however. If the sword NEVER had lunge ability in the Halo games, a Hammer would beat a sword 100% of the time. Perhaps this is why nobody likes the Hammer...because it's better than your PRECIOUS Elite weapon. Unfathomable that The Elites are not TOTALLY dominant at something.

See what I mean...the total bias. Nobody ever mentions these things. Nobody brings this stuff up. Nobody ever analyzes these things, or thinks about it. See why I call Bungie Universe the "Elite Brothel". All I see is the service of Elites. But when it comes to the Brutes..."Lets shut down our minds and not put any real thought into it". I think all of your minds are in permanent shutdown.

Posted by: privet caboose
And the biggest reason why I dislike the brutes? They aren't fun to fight anymore.


Blame Bungie for this. Why would they give the Brutes armor that chipped off and exploded? Don't hate the Brutes for this...direct your malice towards Bungie. They designed it this way. Duh.

Unfortunately...the Brutes were designed wrong. Bungie got lazy, and the writers got lazy. It is very saddening to think that a game company, and it subsidiaries and partners care very little about their content, that they feel they need to cut corners and take cheap shots on their content to make them like-able and dislike-able. I have been saying this for the longest time.

What is more sad, is the entire community behind these "lazy designers" and "lazy writers" support the work by buying, and feeding their laziness with support and praise.

A very sad state of affairs.

But hey, they are feeding the stupid masses. Everyone loves to suck Elites dry...so the writers and designers give you more reason to do it, while emptying your wallets on schlock.

They got this communities number...that's for sure.

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I think the brutes are great. It's just that bungie never tried very hard to flesh them out. I love the brute arsenal. This makes the spiker is by far my most favorite weapon of the series next to the AR.

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Posted by: Onyx81
I think the brutes are great. It's just that bungie never tried very hard to flesh them out. I love the brute arsenal. This makes the spiker is by far my most favorite weapon of the series next to the AR.


My day got better reading this.

Thanks for showing me there is SOME people who don't blindly bandwagon hop with the Elite worship, and that there are some people who understand that they were not fleshed out.

  • 03.25.2011 10:47 AM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Brutes:



I find all brute technology, including the hammer, to be boring. The only redeemable weapon they had was the Brute shot, and it wasn't even in Reach. The sword and various other Elite weapons are just more fun to use.




weapons enjoyment does not affect intelligence.... ok what is smarter getting very close to stab someone with the sword... or getting not as close to hammer which can kill more then one person at a time... issues about favoritism gets us nowhere...imagine if we used this time discussing important issues

  • 03.25.2011 11:19 AM PDT

Naked Crook answer this, if brutes are so much better then elites then why did the covenant fall apart after they took over.

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Posted by: benspartan118
Naked Crook answer this, if brutes are so much better then elites then why did the covenant fall apart after they took over.


I am not saying they are better. I am not arguing that they are better. That is not what I am saying. Do not confuse my message...

My argument is that they are not stupid.

But to entertain your question, the reason The Covenant fell apart because it lost its cohesion. It was not the Brutes that made it fall apart.

Think of the Covenant like a complex machine. The moment you lose an important part of that machine, it falls apart and it fails.

As the Elites had a massive power hold on fleets and military, losing them means the loss of a lot of military power. Likewise, if the Brutes were lost in late 2552, there would be a major loss of military power.

The Covenant collapsed due to a tip in the balance of power, and not because "the Brutes broke it" as you may think.

The Brutes only replaced the Elites, but it was still the Prophets who had the power. The brutes didn;t take over the Covenant. So, you question in itself, is incorrect, and void.

But hey...thinking is over-rated anyway.

  • 03.25.2011 11:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: Naked Crook
Again, this is all just what the the writers decided to do. The Elites were protagonists, so you have to make them look good. But this is HOW you know the story writing is bad. When the writers put nothing but the best qualities into the protagonists, and not give them a single failing, and just cutting corners with the antagonists, not giving them something the reader can sympathize with, I think you need another re-write...or someone needs to be fired.

The flaws in the Elites are there. The writers did not exclusively make them a "Peggy Sue" race because they were Protagonists, they have quite a number of failings on either a personal or societal level.

That thread I made there was a discussion of how some Elites go against their own morals. However, all people kept regurgitating was Moral Relativism.

To put it bluntly, if the Elite's concept of honour was pissing in each others mouths 5 times a day, so be it. My point there was that some are not bloody well pissing in each others mouths 5 times a day like they say they are. Therefore lacking integrity to their own beliefs. Only like 3 people came up with the hypothesis that some can differ in opinion and that, as a necessity, not all Elites will view all others as honourable within their own society due to these differences. The other idea I was looking for was that there are indeed some bad apples within them.

So the flaws are written into the Elites. It is just, for some reason, most people refuse to accept them. Even raising them as a "superior" race to all others (Which is retarded. How can you have a superior sentient race to other sentient races? A sentient race can manipulate its own existence with genetics and technology making physical strength and intelligence completely subject to necessity. See Spartans for more info.) Looks like escapism to be honest.

I do not really pay all that much attention to the Brutes to be honest (Read: Neither like nor hates; does not care.), probably in the same way that I find the UNSC a bit dull as well, so I cannot really say for sure if they have been written poorly or not. (Bear in mind that that there are flaws in the Elites that people ignore, so there might be positive traits in the Brutes being ignored also).

I think the fundamental reason to why people like the Elites more (Myself included) is probably because they look better aesthetically. People say "They are honourable" or "They are strong" blah blah, but all that is secondary and came afterwards; Not the real reasons.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Like everything else halo i am interested in the backstory of the brutes (if anything is ever said about them).

Fighting wise, i like the halo 2 brutes best because it represented them better. Halo CE/ Halo 2 represented everything better.

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They've been in four games now, and not yet has their potential been properly explored.

They should be FAST. Not quite skirmisher fast, but FAST. Charging at the player en masse, with armor and shielding, leaping and firing, with a deadly melee. An agile lightning bruiser. THAT's how Brutes aught be done.

Not mindless bullet sponges. (H2)

Not glass cannons. (H3)

Not more enduring glass cannons. (ODST)

And not mindless glass cannons. (Reach)

Fast. Deadly. Packs.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: TheUseless0ne
They've been in four games now, and not yet has their potential been properly explored.

They should be FAST. Not quite skirmisher fast, but FAST. Charging at the player en masse, with armor and shielding, leaping and firing, with a deadly melee. An agile lightning bruiser. THAT's how Brutes aught be done.

Not mindless bullet sponges. (H2)



Im on the fence with that seeing how myself and most people thing that was thier best representation. Everytime i think "brute" or read a halo book with them in it i think about how they were in halo 2. And i like them that way, but thats just me.

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Posted by: TheUseless0ne
They've been in four games now, and not yet has their potential been properly explored.

They should be FAST. Not quite skirmisher fast, but FAST. Charging at the player en masse, with armor and shielding, leaping and firing, with a deadly melee. An agile lightning bruiser. THAT's how Brutes aught be done.

Not mindless bullet sponges. (H2)

Not glass cannons. (H3)

Not more enduring glass cannons. (ODST)

And not mindless glass cannons. (Reach)

Fast. Deadly. Packs.


Amen...for all time.


Posted by: grey101
Im on the fence with that seeing how myself and most people thing that was thier best representation. Everytime i think "brute" or read a halo book with them in it i think about how they were in halo 2. And i like them that way, but thats just me.


It is very possible that Halo 3/ODST Brutes still looked like Halo 2 Brutes. If you look at halo 3 Minors, and compare them to Halo 2 Brutes...you will see that Halo 3/ODST Brutes have clothing where fur appears on Halo 2 Brutes.

The only difference is cloths.

Halo 3 Brutes = Halo 2 Brutes in terms of appearance. I see no major physical or aesthetic change.

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  • 03.25.2011 12:20 PM PDT

Posted by: Naked Crook
I have intentionally stayed away from this thread for one very important reason. This thread was created by, and is posted in (for the most part), by people who dislike the Brutes.

It's like asking about your stance on abortion on a conservative-Christian web forum. Kinda self-defeating.

I have noticed three major ideas:

1. Reach brutes suck
2. People hate Brutes because...no reason given.
3. The books did a horrible job portraying the Brutes


I did not dislike Brutes at all until I read "Stomping on the Heels of a Fuss", in fact, if you read the OP, I had said they were kinda cool in their own savage way. I no longer think that way because of the information and first hand things we saw regarding the Brutes in "Stomping on the Heels of a Fuss".

1. A matter of opinion. Not everyone thinks they suck, not everybody likes the Reach Brutes, like or dislike of them doesn't really hold any meaning to the discussion.

2. People are allowed to dislike something without explaining why, and if you want to know why they don't like x, just ask.

3. On the contrary, the books do an excellent job with the Brutes, they don't just say "Brutes are bad, don't like them hmkay", no they show you, as well as tell you why the Brutes are not likeable. This is a mark of good story telling, unlike in something like Eragon, the only thing telling you that Galbatorix is the bad guy and the Varden are the good guys is only the author telling you "this guy is an evil fiend, you shouldn't like him, and these guys are the good guys, root for them". There is almost nothing showing you how Galbatorix is evil, you only have the author's word to take for it, and that is not good story telling. You are shown and told why the Brutes race as a whole is not likable, some individuals might be heroic and likable though. Like I still like Maccabeus.

They are terrible to read about because the books suck and the writers just want to make you hate them because they "look mean". You have half-assed writers taking shortcuts, taking cheap shots and just making an easily dislike-able race more dislike-able with contrived and lazy plot devices. Any jerk-off can write a mean bad guy. However it takes genius level thinking to make bad guys and antagonists that are well structured. Give them motive, depth, and an actual personality and state of mind. Show some sort of personal struggle, some growth, personal goals, personal insight into how things are around them, and reasoning behind everything. This was never done. But...everyone here has such limited and narrow vision of what constitutes a good story...I am not surprised nobody ever points THESE things out.

I would have more respect for these writers if they tried to make all of the characters like-able...not just picking and choosing what would sell the most money. Part of good story writing is making the reader like the characters, even if they are bad. This is called character development. I learned this in grade 2 Language Arts.

There is a difference between disliking a bad guy because he/she is well written, and disliking a bad guy because he/she is flat out terribly written as characters. Everyone here dislikes the Brutes because they are flat out...terribly written.


I somewhat touched on this in response to your point three, I'll elaborate a bit more here.

One flaw I noticed in your argument is that you are talking about creating a villain as if you are talking about one single person, some of your qualifications will carry over, however structuring a race of antagonists will differ greatly from creating a main villain. And one simply cannot make every character, race, or species in a story likable just for the simple reason that you can't please everybody. What one person finds likable, another person will utterly loathe.

The Brutes have everything you have described, their whole culture is very fleshed out, and we find out more all the time. They are just as fleshed out as any of the other Covenant species.

If you actually talk to people about why they dislike Brutes, they will not say they don't like them 'cause they "look mean", the same could be said about the Elites honestly, in fact, they look meaner and much more alien than the Brutes do. The Brutes look like gorillas or other apes, that looks nowhere near as scary or mean as a lizard creature with mandibles filled with teeth.

That's not called broken game play...that's called you suck at the game.

Broken gameplay is when the mechanics are flawed. Example...Brutes having power armor that breaks like glass when the shields go down? Thats broken as it made them too easy to beat. Why didn't the grunts, jackals, or Elites have armor that broke apart.

What would you say if Elites in Reach had armor that exploded into a thousand pieces like Brute armor did in halo 3/ODST? Would you hate this, or would you like this?

Actually...that question goes out to EVERYONE!

What would you say if Elites in Reach had armor that exploded into a thousand pieces like Brute armor did in halo 3/ODST? Would you hate this, or would you like this?


You don't seem to know what broken gameplay is at all. The armor breaking apart had no bearing on the ease of beating the Brutes at all, it was only a visual representation of the level of health they had left, much like how the appearance of shields was changed a great deal in Reach so you could see shields "pop" and tell how much shield was left based on their appearance. The Brute armor breaking apart was purely aesthetic in design. And the Grunts and Jackals don't really wear armor, they're common level Grunts, they're not even well armed to begin with, why would they be given obvious armor like the Brutes all of a sudden?

And the health system on the Brutes in Halo 2 was completely broken. They're a common enemy and appear in semi large hordes, if each one has about as much strength as "boss" enemy like a Hunter, then their health system is completely broken. Why else do you think their health was nerfed for Halo 3? Because their health system was broken in Halo 2 and made the game almost too hard to play.

In answer to your question, I wouldn't care in the least if Elites had armor that broke apart. I don't get why the armor breaking apart is even an issue.

Funny...dishonorable applies to those who TURN THEIR BACKS on their beliefs.

Elites did that...


Oh I'm sure you'd stick with the organization or group that betrayed you, mhm, yeah, that's what everyone would do. The Elites are totally dishonorable for declaring war on those who betrayed them and slaughtered them in cold blood.

And the Elites didn't turn their backs on their beliefs at all, they rejected what they found out were the lies and held onto what hadn't been proved a lie. They still believe in their religion.

I will end off with this...this argument is VERY one sided, as you have people who hate on Brutes, ragging on them, and nobody questions it.

Sorry...but this thread, is little more than an Elite Brothel, geared towards to the total service of Elites. Once you guys get those members out of your mouths, and wipe the Elite DNA from your chins and mouth regions...let me know. Let me know when you guys are done with the one-sided nonsense.


This is not an argument at all, this is merely a thread asking people their opinion on Brutes, I have not criticized any of the people in here who have stated they like the Brutes at all.

And the Elites were hardly even brought up in any sort of detail until you came along. A few passing mentions were made by some people, but no one made any posts adoring the Elites and claiming they are so much better than Brutes.

I have one last thing to say to you, if you have nothing helpful to add, desire only to start arguments, and have nothing more than arrogant nonsense to spew, then I would strongly suggest you leave this thread and desist from trying to derail it.

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Posted by: OrderedComa
1. A matter of opinion. Not everyone thinks they suck, not everybody likes the Reach Brutes, like or dislike of them doesn't really hold any meaning to the discussion.

2. People are allowed to dislike something without explaining why, and if you want to know why they don't like x, just ask.


1. Like I said...it was a major idea put forward that they were generally disliked or inferior to their counter-parts in Halo 2/3/ODST. I used the word "sucked" in the sense that they were the least favorite.

2. Funny thing is, a large majority of people who said they disliked Brute, never explained why, or gave terrible nonsense reasons as to why they hated them. I called people on it...and they have YET to explain with valid reasons that could constitute the total hatred of their species.

Posted by: OrderedComa
3. On the contrary, the books do an excellent job with the Brutes, they don't just say "Brutes are bad, don't like them hmkay", no they show you, as well as tell you why the Brutes are not likeable. This is a mark of good story telling


No, this is the mark of BAD story telling. They are using the cheapest and lowest plot devices to make us dislike them. The Brutes fight amongst each other, they eat people, they roar and howl. They are not dinosaurs and this is not Jurassic park. This is a sentient species. Sentience implies intelligence, consciousness, and adaptability. They were written, as if they lacked these qualities, and thus, written as little more than wild, non-sentient, animals who act on instinct.

Now you are going to say "that is exactly what they are, wild animals". You, and everyone after you, is going to say this because that is how the lazy writers made them look.

I say the writers are stupid, and lazy, and retarded because (A) they cannot stay consistent, and (B) they use cheap plot devices to classify an ENTIRE civilization and thus (C) show what total retards and morons, not to mention totally unimaginative, they, being the writers, are.

How many wolves have split the atom? How many gorillas have built space faring ships? How many lions have have engineering capabilities to build their own vehicles? The writers fooled EVERYONE into thinking they were animals, in spite of their scientific accomplishments, which were also written by the writers. So on one hand, the writers say they have accomplished great scientific feats, but on the other hand, they are not sentient, but rather stupid, arrogant, thick-headed, and nothing more than wild animals who just kill each other with little regard for consequences and never evaluating their actions. These two ideas do not connect and they are opposing ideas that cannot co-exist on the same species given what is required for each end of the spectrum.

There is a DAMN GOOD REASON why I say these books suck! The writers suck. Oh God...God have mercy, nothing sucks more than these Halo novel writers! Everything sucks as far as these books are concerned. There are so many contradictions in the character writing, so many conflicting ideas, no motives, no sensibility, irregardless of the fact the Brutes, or a certain number of them at least, have demonstrated, in their history, intelligence equal to that of Albert Einstein. As far as these Halo novel writers go, they make George Lucas look like Edgar Allen Poe or F. Scott Fitzgerald.

Posted by: OrderedComa
One flaw I noticed in your argument is that you are talking about creating a villain as if you are talking about one single person, some of your qualifications will carry over, however structuring a race of antagonists will differ greatly from creating a main villain. And one simply cannot make every character, race, or species in a story likable just for the simple reason that you can't please everybody. What one person finds likable, another person will utterly loathe.


It is possible to make every character like-able. It is possible to like antagonists, despite their methods. Darth Vader is a like-able character, even in the first move. He was written well, and you like the depth of his character. He is not atypical bad guy...he has style and class. Even the empire were not A-typical. The empire presented itself as the legitimate ruling government fighting terrorists. Both sides, were the heroes of their own story. When there is only one point of view...it's called bad writing.

I like Brutes because I feel bad for them, knowing how little care was put into their design.

Sure, some of the concepts I put forward cannot apply to an entire race, but it shows that I have a better grasp on story writing than the writers do.

Just adapt the ideas to a wider scope, that's it, problem solved. There is no flaw in the argument, just widen the scope of what I said to encompass the entire race.

I hope you never become a writer.

Posted by: OrderedComa
You don't seem to know what broken gameplay is at all. The armor breaking apart had no bearing on the ease of beating the Brutes at all, it was only a visual representation of the level of health they had left, much like how the appearance of shields was changed a great deal in Reach so you could see shields "pop" and tell how much shield was left based on their appearance. The Brute armor breaking apart was purely aesthetic in design. And the Grunts and Jackals don't really wear armor, they're common level Grunts, they're not even well armed to begin with, why would they be given obvious armor like the Brutes all of a sudden?


So I guess once Brutes lost the ability to regenerate their shields, it didn't make them easier. If Brutes had solid armor, that never broke, and continually regenerating shields, they would have been a lot harder as enemies.

In Halo 1, 2, 3, and Reach...Elites don't lose their power armor and their shields continually regenerate, no matter if you drop their shields once, twice, or a 1000 times.

And you are saying this KEY difference had NO IMPACT on difficulty?

My point is, only Brutes have armor that breaks apart. Why doesn't Elite power armor break apart? Why didn't that aesthetic choice befall the Elites as well? Shield popping could have worked just as well for the Brutes as it did the Elites. I want an answer to this question.

You wont be able to answer this question, because you know you are wrong. I am half expecting anyone who reads this, to never answer this question. There is no valid answer short of:

"This is not aesthetics, this is called broken mechanics"

Brutes are hated, because Bungie made stupid design choices. Every reason the Brutes are hated, is because of the stupid design decisions made by, so called, experts in novelization, or game design.

Posted by: OrderedComa
And the health system on the Brutes in Halo 2 was completely broken. They're a common enemy and appear in semi large hordes, if each one has about as much strength as "boss" enemy like a Hunter, then their health system is completely broken. Why else do you think their health was nerfed for Halo 3? Because their health system was broken in Halo 2 and made the game almost too hard to play.


I had no problem with halo 2 Brutes. They were of perfect difficulty. Perhaps you...SUCK...at the game.

Perhaps you should go back to games like...Mario Party...because you...SUCK...at Halo, and you are unable to deal with challenging foes.

I think that's it. I think you just suck at Halo and you are whining because the race you hate so much was pwning you...over...and over...and over..and over!

Posted by: OrderedComa
Oh I'm sure you'd stick with the organization or group that betrayed you, mhm, yeah, that's what everyone would do. The Elites are totally dishonorable for declaring war on those who betrayed them and slaughtered them in cold blood.

And the Elites didn't turn their backs on their beliefs at all, they rejected what they found out were the lies and held onto what hadn't been proved a lie. They still believe in their religion.


They left...because a few hats and ships were exchanged. They turned their back because they were no long guards for the Prophets and they lost a few dozen ships. Cry babies if you ask me.

Nothing honorable about that.

"I want my hat back...WHAAAAAAA. I want my ship back...WHAAAAAAAAA". Then the Elites quit their galactic club because they had fewer rights.

Why didn't they try earning their position, instead of thinking it was their divine right to rule? See what I mean...the writers are stupid.

Cry me a river, build a bridge over it, and jump off.
I don't hate Elites, but this is the major reason I like Brutes more. They don't whine and complain like Elites do.

That is beside the point.

Posted by: OrderedComa
And the Elites were hardly even brought up in any sort of detail until you came along. A few passing mentions were made by some people, but no one made any posts adoring the Elites and claiming they are so much better than Brutes.


In my original post, I never brought up Elites (short of making a simple comparison on how when someone hates on the Elites, people jump down his/her throat or the breaking of the armor. Not once did I make evaluated comparisons between the two). If you recall, I quoted someone who brought them up and compared the two...in detail. In fact...it was you who made an evaluated comparison.

Posted by: OrderedComa
I still kinda like Maccabeus, he reminded me of a the Elites a bit.


You brought them up first...

Dumbass...

You must be in a Coma. I know of no explanation as to why your brain has such little activity.

Posted by: OrderedComa
I have one last thing to say to you...


You can shut up right about...THERE. Everything you say has no value to me.

[Edited on 03.26.2011 10:15 AM PDT]

  • 03.25.2011 2:22 PM PDT

They're not given enough credit, I personally think they are awsome. I also hate it when people are always buyest as to would win out of an Elite or Brute.

The Brutes killed all the elite councilors for god's sake, that had to have taken some skill! Taratus absolutely destroyed about 60 elite zealots assess. Why is it that everyone fails to take these examples into account?

Of course this doesn't apply to those monstrosities from Halo Reach.

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Sorry about my grammar. I'm using my iPod. Anyway, most of my halo career was spent in halo 3 so I understand brutes more than elites. I just wish the spiker in reach was stronger and fired single shots like the Halo 3 Live Action short.

I like how their weapons are a mix of Covie and Brute technology, giving them an orange theme. I bet the guys who designed their wepons had a ton of fun.

Wow. I wish I could make my sentences more profesional. Only if I had a computer nearby...
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Posted by: Onyx81
I think the brutes are great. It's just that bungie never tried very hard to flesh them out. I love the brute arsenal. This makes the spiker is by far my most favorite weapon of the series next to the AR.


My day got better reading this.

Thanks for showing me there is SOME people who don't blindly bandwagon hop with the Elite worship, and that there are some people who understand that they were not fleshed out.

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Posted by: Onyx81
I think the brutes are great. It's just that bungie never tried very hard to flesh them out. I love the brute arsenal. This makes the spiker is by far my most favorite weapon of the series next to the AR.


My day got better reading this.

Thanks for showing me there is SOME people who don't blindly bandwagon hop with the Elite worship, and that there are some people who understand that they were not fleshed out.

  • 03.25.2011 3:03 PM PDT

Naked, put it like this, Brutes simply cannot top Elites. Yes, they have accomplished a lot, but look at what they have done in the war. The Covenant utterly devastated us, this is due to the fact they were all under the command of the Elites, yes, there were the Prophets, but the Elites were those who focused on the war, The 20 million prophets simply stayed in High Charity and watched.

The Elites pushed us all the way back to Earth for 27 years, once the Brutes came in, we no longer faced the powerhouse of the Covenant and simply fought the lesser races. Brutes are no ship masters, read "Contact Harvest" the only ship the Brutes controller was falling apart, when the Elites judged it, they were shocked at it.

Add to the fact that the Brutes struggled to take a planet with less than a thousand human resistance. Elites simply are better than Brutes, and you know it Naked, you can't deny it, yes, Brutes have the upper hand in hand to hand combat, hell one berserk brute can kill 3 Zealots but they are far less powerful in a gunfight, let another a space battle.

Although give the Brutes credit, they did manage to hold Earth for over a month, but the whole space invasion was thanks to the Elites. Think about it Naked, what did the Brutes do that could match what the Elites did? Nothing. They did manage to take Harvest, but it took them a while.

Oh and don't get confused on what I said earlier, Brutes were extremely rare on their deployment, and while the Elites and the lesser races fought, what did the Brutes do in all that time? Be lazy and stay on their lone ship eating a feast threatening a deacon of the Prophets. Brutes are savages, you know it.

Bungie simply didn't portray it that way. I wanted to see Brutes eat people on Exodust, and I wanted them to have hair with at least a bit of armor, but whatever, let 343 fix them.

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Naked, put it like this, Brutes simply cannot top Elites. Yes, they have accomplished a lot, but look at what they have done in the war. The Covenant utterly devastated us, this is due to the fact they were all under the command of the Elites, yes, there were the Prophets, but the Elites were those who focused on the war, The 20 million prophets simply stayed in High Charity and watched.

The Elites pushed us all the way back to Earth for 27 years, once the Brutes came in, we no longer faced the powerhouse of the Covenant and simply fought the lesser races. Brutes are no ship masters, read "Contact Harvest" the only ship the Brutes controller was falling apart, when the Elites judged it, they were shocked at it.

Add to the fact that the Brutes struggled to take a planet with less than a thousand human resistance. Elites simply are better than Brutes, and you know it Naked, you can't deny it, yes, Brutes have the upper hand in hand to hand combat, hell one berserk brute can kill 3 Zealots but they are far less powerful in a gunfight, let another a space battle.

Although give the Brutes credit, they did manage to hold Earth for over a month, but the whole space invasion was thanks to the Elites. Think about it Naked, what did the Brutes do that could match what the Elites did? Nothing. They did manage to take Harvest, but it took them a while.

Oh and don't get confused on what I said earlier, Brutes were extremely rare on their deployment, and while the Elites and the lesser races fought, what did the Brutes do in all that time? Be lazy and stay on their lone ship eating a feast threatening a deacon of the Prophets. Brutes are savages, you know it.

Bungie simply didn't portray it that way. I wanted to see Brutes eat people on Exodust, and I wanted them to have hair with at least a bit of armor, but whatever, let 343 fix them.


This has nothing to do with this thread.

You don't get a response to this stupidity. Read my last post, and the post before that, and the post before that, and you will see I am not comparing the races, I am simply responding to the notion of why people hate Brutes so much.

OrderedMoron said I keep bringing up the Elites (when that is not true), when it is in fact, you guys that keep bringing them up.

You get no response for anything that you typed.

Congratulations...you wasted your time.

But I will say this.

Coming from the guy who never spells my name right, and also the guy who said Halo Reach wasn't Canon (and could not cite his source), and the guy who said Brute Force claimed that Doisac had 100 billion Brutes on it (When Brute force is a totally different game that has nothing to do with Halo)...everything you say means jack--blam!-.

You remind me of the Iraqi Misinformation Minister.

(I noted you stopped saying CROOK and you call me Naked now. Is the letter R too much for you to handle?

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Lets ignore Mojeda101 and get back on topic.

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  • 03.25.2011 4:55 PM PDT

I like them in the fact that they are a good rival for the elites. I would have loved to see the two have a fist fight. The best bit in halo for me was walking through high charity with them all going for each other though the halo 2 brutes were rubbish and rushed while the halo 3 brutes were brilliant. Though there weight is stupid and must be a mistake. 1500lb? nah, silly.

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Posted by: Alfdog
I like them in the fact that they are a good rival for the elites. I would have loved to see the two have a fist fight. The best bit in halo for me was walking through high charity with them all going for each other though the halo 2 brutes were rubbish and rushed while the halo 3 brutes were brilliant. Though there weight is stupid and must be a mistake. 1500lb? nah, silly.


Gorillas can reach a weight of 600 lbs. If a Brute is twice the size, and a bit more muscular...I could see 1500 lbs being reasonable.

But yeah...I tend to agree. They looked polished in Halo 3...professional even.

  • 03.25.2011 6:13 PM PDT


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in halo 2 they were gorillas. in halo 3 they were bears. in halo reach they were -BLAMING- HAIRLESS TROLL CATS
Haha.

This.

I hate Brutes. Especially when I don't have a needle weapon on-hand.

The H3/ODST rush/jumping was effective, but somewhat predictable. A nice spectacle, but not unstoppable.

The new Reach "berserk" mode? Loathsome, but very effective if you don't have a means of keeping the distance. Combine it with a Brute's health, and you're screwed.

In Reach, they're like a middle road between Elites and Hunters; slow and dangerous mixed stupid.

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I think the reach brutes are the best, especially the Brute Chieftans. The hammer wielding ones have to be the most fun enemy to fight in the game.

Anyway, back on topic. I have a theory as to why the brutes look different in each game. In Halo 2, you only fought the brutes under Tartarus's control. He wore little armor and was hairy, hence, why all of the brutes are naked and wear little to no armor. In Halo 3 we never saw the main leaders of the brutes in that game. Same with Halo Reach.

Wasn't really on topic, but whatever. Just some interesting insight.

  • 03.25.2011 10:46 PM PDT

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I think the reach brutes are the best, especially the Brute Chieftans. The hammer wielding ones have to be the most fun enemy to fight in the game.

Anyway, back on topic. I have a theory as to why the brutes look different in each game. In Halo 2, you only fought the brutes under Tartarus's control. He wore little armor and was hairy, hence, why all of the brutes are naked and wear little to no armor. In Halo 3 we never saw the main leaders of the brutes in that game. Same with Halo Reach.

Wasn't really on topic, but whatever. Just some interesting insight.


I've said this before, countless times with this from the Wiki to support it.

Given the absence of power armor at the time of Halo 2, it is possible that the Brutes that were seen were members of Tartarus's pack and/or a subset of the Jiralhanae that shunned the use of extensive protection and emphasized relying on their own strength, skill, courage, and ferocity to protect them, or that all the Brutes you encountered in Halo 2 are from Maccabeus/Tartarus' clan and were banned from wearing armor due to their failure at Harvest. It is also possible that the Brutes of Halo 2 were second in rank to the Elites and the Prophets. Following The Great Schism, the Brutes became the Prophets' main protection, and it became a necessity to outfit them with more advanced equipment.

There is a substantial difference between the Brutes of Halo 2 and Halo 3. The Brutes of Halo 2 had very little armor, were unclothed and unshaven. The Brutes of Halo 3 were largely shaven, clothed in tight-fitting garments that reflected their rank and were adorned with Power Armor. This probably had something to do with the Brutes' new-found rank after the Elites' split from the Covenant.


Brutes work in clans, each are different, thus why they had the tattoos on their skin on Reach, they were from that specific clan I'm assuming and were most likely under a Prophet who made sure they were lesser than the Elites and didn't issue them armor at the time, possible as from what was said above. They weren't issued armor aside from the Chieftains and captains which was probably necessary, although the other lesser Brutes did have minimal armor it wasn't comparable to that of the Elites.

My Opinion on why they didn't have hair is most likely the Prophets doing. I don't know which Prophet or Chieftain controlled the Brutes on Reach but whoever it was, he most likely issued the Brutes to be shaven. It was probably a prophet seeing as how the Brutes were shaven in Halo 3 and the fact they were under a Prophet during those times.

Visually, such as their noses, teeth, lips and such, I was stunned at what Bungie did, but what can we do? We have to make do what with we have.

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