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Posted by: Naked Crook
No, this is the mark of BAD story telling. They are using the cheapest and lowest plot devices to make us dislike them. The Brutes fight amongst each other, they eat people, they roar and howl. They are not dinosaurs and this is not Jurassic park. This is a sentient species. Sentience implies intelligence, consciousness, and adaptability. They were written, as if they lacked these qualities, and thus, written as little more than wild, non-sentient, animals who act on instinct.
Now you are going to say "that is exactly what they are, wild animals". You, and everyone after you, is going to say this because that is how the lazy writers made them look.
I say the writers are stupid, and lazy, and retarded because (A) they cannot stay consistent, and (B) they use cheap plot devices to classify an ENTIRE civilization and thus (C) show what total retards and morons, not to mention totally unimaginative, they, being the writers, are.
How many wolves have split the atom? How many gorillas have built space faring ships? How many lions have have engineering capabilities to build their own vehicles? The writers fooled EVERYONE into thinking they were animals, in spite of their scientific accomplishments, which were also written by the writers. So on one hand, the writers say they have accomplished great scientific feats, but on the other hand, they are not sentient, but rather stupid, arrogant, thick-headed, and nothing more than wild animals who just kill each other with little regard for consequences and never evaluating their actions. These two ideas do not connect and they are opposing ideas that cannot co-exist on the same species given what is required for each end of the spectrum.
There is a DAMN GOOD REASON why I say these books suck! The writers suck. Oh God...God have mercy, nothing sucks more than these Halo novel writers! Everything sucks as far as these books are concerned. There are so many contradictions in the character writing, so many conflicting ideas, no motives, no sensibility, irregardless of the fact the Brutes, or a certain number of them at least, have demonstrated, in their history, intelligence equal to that of Albert Einstein. As far as these Halo novel writers go, they make George Lucas look like Edgar Allen Poe or F. Scott Fitzgerald.
If you think showing and telling your reader about why a race/someone is a good guy/bad guy is the mark of bad story telling then you are completely insane.
Humans fight amongst each other all the time, yet we are fully capable of intelligent thought. Rivalries between different clans/kingdoms/tribes leading to tensions and war between them is nothing new, I don't see why you think having a race that consistently fights itself is dumb story telling, it makes for a plenty interesting story.
A limited understanding of technology, or even great understanding of technology, does not mean that one will act civilized and not be a total barbarian. The Brutes are technology smart, but they act like complete animals, the two are not mutually exclusive.
That is your opinion, and yours alone, not mention wrong. If the books suck so much I'd like to see you try and do better. Anything is bound to contradict itself at some point, perfection is simply impossible, contrary to what you might think. If hate the books so much, which are just as much a part of Halo's canon as the games, and think anyone who's ever written for the Halo story sucks, then why are you even a fan of Halo at all?
It is possible to make every character like-able. It is possible to like antagonists, despite their methods. Darth Vader is a like-able character, even in the first move. He was written well, and you like the depth of his character. He is not A-typical bad guy...he has style and class. Even the empire were not A-typical. The empire presented itself as the legitimate ruling government fighting terrorists. Both sides, were the heroes of their own story. When there is only one point of view...it's called bad writing.
I like Brutes because I feel bad for them, knowing how little care was put into their design.
Sure, some of the concepts I put forward cannot apply to an entire race, but it shows that I have a better grasp on story writing than the writers do.
Just adapt the ideas to a wider scope, that's it, problem solved. There is no flaw in the argument, just widen the scope of what I said to encompass the entire race.
I hope you never become a writer.
I did not say it was impossible to like villains, I said it was impossible to make every character likable. There's a big difference between what I said and you said. I could name innumerable villains that I like just as much the heroes, however it is not possible for an author or writer to make every character likable, and I explained why.
Do you even know what the term atypical means? Darth Vader and the Empire are very much typical villains, there is barely anything atypical about them. If you think having only one point of view is bad, then you must hate Lord of the Rings, the Harry Potter books, and a great deal of the other modern and older classics.
The Brutes are just as developed as the Grunts, Jackals, and Elites, if you should feel bad for any of the Covenant species for a lack of development then it should be the Prophets, Drones, and Hunters, they're the least developed out of all the Covenant species.
Too bad, I'm already a writer, and I honestly don't give a damn what you think of me.
You should join these morons here you'd fit right in.
So I guess once Brutes lost the ability to regenerate their shields, it didn't make them easier. If Brutes had solid armor, that never broke, and continually regenerating shields, they would have been a lot harder as enemies.
In Halo 1, 2, 3, and Reach...Elites don't lose their power armor and their shields continually regenerate, no matter if you drop their shields once, twice, or a 1000 times.
And you are saying this KEY difference had NO IMPACT on difficulty?
My point is, only Brutes have armor that breaks apart. Why doesn't Elite power armor break apart? Why didn't that aesthetic choice befall the Elites as well? Shield popping could have worked just as well for the Brutes as it did the Elites. I want an answer to this question.
You wont be able to answer this question, because you know you are wrong. I am half expecting anyone who reads this, to never answer this question. There is no valid answer short of:
"This is not aesthetics, this is called broken mechanics"
Brutes are hated, because Bungie made stupid design choices. Every reason the Brutes are hated, is because of the stupid design decisions made by, so called, experts in novelization, or game design.
First of all, the Brutes never had shields to begin with, except for Tartarus. And also, the vast majority of the time the Brutes come in large packs, unlike the Elites, they would be just as broken in Halo 3 as they were in 2 if you had to fight off 5+ enemies at once with recharging shields. There's your answer.
The Elites are given stronger defenses, for gameplay reasons, because they are far fewer and far between, the most Elites I've ever fought at once outside of Firefight is 3. The way Brute armor functions in gameplay is completely different from in canon. From a canon standpoint the Brutes are just as well defended as the Elites.
They left...because a few hats and ships were exchanged. They turned their back because they were no long guards for the Prophets and they lost a few dozen ships. Cry babies if you ask me.
Nothing honorable about that.
"I want my hat back...WHAAAAAAA. I want my ship back...WHAAAAAAAAA". Then the Elites quit their galactic club because they had fewer rights.
Why didn't they try earning their position, instead of thinking it was their divine right to rule? See what I mean...the writers are stupid.
Cry me a river, build a bridge over it, and jump off.
I don't hate Elites, but this is the major reason I like Brutes more. They don't whine and complain like Elites do.
That is beside the point.
No, they left the Covenant once the killing started, god, did you even pay attention to the story in Halo 2? Or were you too butt-hurt because your favorite race were the bad guys? And the Prophets were breaking their agreement, the agreement formed between the Elites and the Prophets was that the Elites, and only the Elites, would serve as the Prophets guards. Let's see you sit there in silence while an agreement you and another party made is broken, you would be just as offended if an agreement you had made was suddenly broken by the other party.
In my original post, I never brought up Elites (short of making a simple comparison on how when someone hates on the Elites, people jump down his/her throat or the breaking of the armor. Not once did I make evaluated comparisons between the two). If you recall, I quoted someone who brought them up and compared the two...in detail. In fact...it was you who made an evaluated comparison.
You brought them up first...
Dumbass...
You must be in a Coma. I know of no explanation as to why your brain has such little activity.
You didn't quote anybody making refference to Elites in your first post at all. And you brought up Elites in a far greater fashion than anyone else, and it was you who started the detailed comparisons of Elites and Brutes.
I said the Elites were not brought into it at all save in passing reference, I did not give any detailed comparison, all I stated was that Maccabeus reminded me of the Elites, that is not detailed in the least.