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Subject: Events in Libya, Unrest in the Arab World And Africa UPDATE317

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.


Posted by: lonepaul2441
China and Russia should keep there noses out of this they obviously have no interest. Chances are they are worried about more democratic nations popping up and communism weakening.

The UN has the right to be anywhere that civilians are being hurt. Obviously Russia and China don't care since they kill their own.
Russia is actually a Democratic nation.

  • 04.26.2011 12:05 PM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

Posted by: Phoenix1330
the C7 is the more commonly used variant of the M16(manufactured by Colt Canada rather than Colt US)that has a longer stock and is built a little sturdier with an increase in cost. and the same goes for the C8 and the M4

I'm not sure where you're getting you're information, because that doesn't sound right to me.

  • 04.26.2011 12:08 PM PDT
Subject: Events in Libya, Unrest in the Arab World And Africa UPDATE317

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.


Posted by: Pikesmakker VI
Posted by: lonepaul2441
China and Russia should keep there noses out of this they obviously have no interest. Chances are they are worried about more democratic nations popping up and communism weakening.

The UN has the right to be anywhere that civilians are being hurt. Obviously Russia and China don't care since they kill their own.
Oh look, someone who thinks the UN is effective in any way.

Cute.
indeed, the intervention in Libya is the first time the UN actually managed to pull off a major intervention.

Thing is, while Veto power existed to keep Nukes from flying and made sense in the day, the power needs to be done away with. not to mention the fact that there are countries more advanced in Nuclear technologies (Canada and Japan to name 2)now than any of the 5 Veto powers.

if that could be done away with and decisions made via true democratic process, the UN could be one of the most effective organizations to have ever been created.

  • 04.26.2011 12:08 PM PDT
Subject: Events in Libya, Unrest in the Arab World And Africa UPDATE323

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.


Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: Phoenix1330
the C7 is the more commonly used variant of the M16(manufactured by Colt Canada rather than Colt US)that has a longer stock and is built a little sturdier with an increase in cost. and the same goes for the C8 and the M4

I'm not sure where you're getting you're information, because that doesn't sound right to me.
the increased cost and longer stock with a sturdier material came straight from wikipedia, experience with firing the C7, M16, C8 and M4 tell me the C7 and M16 are essentially the same weapon, and the C8 and M4 as well.

C7 and C8 being more commonly used comes from the list of countries that use either one. More countries use the C7 than the M16, but more M16s were built.

it's just more likely that a NATO country would supply the C7 than the M16 due to it being what they have.

[Edited on 04.26.2011 12:13 PM PDT]

  • 04.26.2011 12:09 PM PDT
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Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.


Posted by: lonepaul2441

Posted by: Phoenix1330

Posted by: lonepaul2441
China and Russia should keep there noses out of this they obviously have no interest. Chances are they are worried about more democratic nations popping up and communism weakening.

The UN has the right to be anywhere that civilians are being hurt. Obviously Russia and China don't care since they kill their own.
Russia is actually a Democratic nation.
......

Since when?
since the collapse of the Soviet Union...

RUSSIA has never been a communist state. Just because their Democracy is a different version than the american one, doesn't change the fact it is still a Democracy.

  • 04.26.2011 12:11 PM PDT

not Pikesmaker

Posted by: chucky chief

Posted by: lonepaul2441
China and Russia should keep there noses out of this they obviously have no interest. Chances are they are worried about more democratic nations popping up and communism weakening.

The UN has the right to be anywhere that civilians are being hurt. Obviously Russia and China don't care since they kill their own.


This isnt the cold war, Syria and Libya arent communist, more dictatorships. Its hard to see a reason for them being so difficult
China and Russia are on friendly terms with and trade with Iran. Hezbullah receives indirect sponsorship from Iran through patronage from Syria. Iran has been railing (herp derp no kidding) about the West's involvement in the Arab unrest. If China and Russia involved themselves, allying with the Western powers, they could kiss Iran's oil goodbye.

  • 04.26.2011 12:15 PM PDT
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Reuters - Britain hopes for international agreement in the coming week on setting up a fund to help

"Libya's rebel-held east, foreign secretary William Hague has said."

"The fund is aimed at helping the rebel's interim national council help pay public sector salaries and with other costs."

"In the coming week, we hope to agree internationally the process for establishing a temporary financial mechanism to provide a transparent structure for international financial support for the financial requirements of the (national council) such as public sector pay," Hague said."

"Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin has criticised the NATO-led airstrikes in Libya, saying attacks on Muammar Gaddafi's palaces suggest the aim is to kill the Libyan leader."

"During a visit to Denmark, Putin asked "Who gave themselves the right to sentence someone to death, regardless what kind of person he is?""

"He said the nations taking part in the NATO-led operations had strayed from the UN mandate to enforce a no-fly zone and protect civilians."

"Said Putin: "They say, 'No, we don't want to destroy him.' Then why bomb the palaces? Is that how they drive out the mice?''"

Thanks to Al Jazeera.

In short, Britain wants to set up a fund to help the rebels pay public sector costs and to help become independent. And Vladimir Putin is critizising the UN for trying to bomb gaddafi

  • 04.26.2011 12:20 PM PDT

not Pikesmaker

Posted by: lonepaul2441

Posted by: Phoenix1330

Posted by: lonepaul2441
China and Russia should keep there noses out of this they obviously have no interest. Chances are they are worried about more democratic nations popping up and communism weakening.

The UN has the right to be anywhere that civilians are being hurt. Obviously Russia and China don't care since they kill their own.
Russia is actually a Democratic nation.
......

Since when?
How can you expect to have a discussion with any semblance of intelligibility if you don't even know that Russia isn't a communist state anymore?

  • 04.26.2011 12:22 PM PDT
Subject: Events in Libya, Unrest in the Arab World And Africa UPDATE323

The cake is a pie

Ahh, good, I was looking for this thread earlier. Can someone please tell me how to save threads?.

  • 04.26.2011 12:26 PM PDT
Subject: Events in Libya, Unrest in the Arab World And Africa UPDATE317

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.


Posted by: lonepaul2441

Posted by: Phoenix1330

Posted by: lonepaul2441

Posted by: Phoenix1330

Posted by: lonepaul2441
China and Russia should keep there noses out of this they obviously have no interest. Chances are they are worried about more democratic nations popping up and communism weakening.

The UN has the right to be anywhere that civilians are being hurt. Obviously Russia and China don't care since they kill their own.
Russia is actually a Democratic nation.
......

Since when?
since the collapse of the Soviet Union...

RUSSIA has never been a communist state. Just because their Democracy is a different version than the american one, doesn't change the fact it is still a Democracy.
Oh i always thought they where communist. Still very corrupt though.
Technically not corrupt, corrupt implies they steal from their people(China fits this bill)

Russia however is Democratically elected and runs just as 'uncorrupt' as the US and Canada. Just because the ideals of the people living there don't align with the western world's ideals, doesn't make them corrupt.

the people of Russia are far from oppressed.

  • 04.26.2011 12:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ultermarto
Ahh, good, I was looking for this thread earlier. Can someone please tell me how to save threads?.

Look where it say's create new topic, and it's under that.

  • 04.26.2011 12:27 PM PDT

The cake is a pie

WHAT? Why is Gadaffi shelling civilians in particular?. What does it win him?.

I guess it lowers morale. But let's hope the people take this as a reason to revolt rather than a reason to hide.



I thought of something earlier, gentlemen. How are we actually going to capture Gadaffi. The man has endless money and a military at his disposal. He could be anywhere. Even if the rebels breach tripoli and take hold of it, Gadaffi will be long gone.

  • 04.26.2011 12:29 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.


Posted by: Ultermarto
Ahh, good, I was looking for this thread earlier. Can someone please tell me how to save threads?.
Top right hand side of the page right under 'create new topic'

to find it later it will be under 'saved threads' on your profile page.

  • 04.26.2011 12:30 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.


Posted by: Ultermarto
WHAT? Why is Gadaffi shelling civilians in particular?. What does it win him?.

I guess it lowers morale. But let's hope the people take this as a reason to revolt rather than a reason to hide.



I thought of something earlier, gentlemen. How are we actually going to capture Gadaffi. The man has endless money and a military at his disposal. He could be anywhere. Even if the rebels breach tripoli and take hold of it, Gadaffi will be long gone.
Doubt he will, he has no more money as the world locked his accounts, and he can't get out by sea due to a NATO blockade, and he's surrounded on all sides by the rebels or countries sympathetic to the rebels.

  • 04.26.2011 12:32 PM PDT

The cake is a pie


Posted by: Phoenix1330

Posted by: lonepaul2441
China and Russia should keep there noses out of this they obviously have no interest. Chances are they are worried about more democratic nations popping up and communism weakening.

The UN has the right to be anywhere that civilians are being hurt. Obviously Russia and China don't care since they kill their own.
Russia is actually a Democratic nation.

Yes and I don't think China has anything to worry about. Their economy is fine.

It's possible that the two countries, like several others, see no reason to help another countries problemn. In some ways they are correct. However I think we were right to intervene. Anybody ever see the film 'Shooting Dogs'?. That is what happens when we sit by and do nothing.

  • 04.26.2011 12:32 PM PDT
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Yay something interesting on the news.

  • 04.26.2011 12:36 PM PDT
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Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.


Posted by: Ultermarto

Posted by: Phoenix1330

Posted by: lonepaul2441
China and Russia should keep there noses out of this they obviously have no interest. Chances are they are worried about more democratic nations popping up and communism weakening.

The UN has the right to be anywhere that civilians are being hurt. Obviously Russia and China don't care since they kill their own.
Russia is actually a Democratic nation.

Yes and I don't think China has anything to worry about. Their economy is fine.

It's possible that the two countries, like several others, see no reason to help another countries problemn. In some ways they are correct. However I think we were right to intervene. Anybody ever see the film 'Shooting Dogs'?. That is what happens when we sit by and do nothing.
or even Hotel Rwanda. THAT is what happens when someone in the UN exercises there VETO power over an intervention. The Canadian General in charge of UN operations in Rwanda said that had they been allowed to fire, they could have saved almost every life there.

THAT is why sometimes we need to intervene, even if it doesn't further our goals, it is the RIGHT thing to do.

  • 04.26.2011 12:36 PM PDT

The cake is a pie


Posted by: lonepaul2441

I don't normally pay attention to world politics and i learnt very little about Russia in my whole life.

Its only now with the middle east stuff i have took an interest.
Wait a second why does the fact that russia is a democracy discard the fact that it is communist?.

And to be fair, I also knew very little about russia and have had numerouse discussions here. It has a complex recent history that my education criteria for some reason thought was insignificant.

  • 04.26.2011 12:38 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

UN Criminal court is going to investigate the Syrian Government for war crimes.

  • 04.26.2011 12:38 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.


Posted by: Ultermarto

Posted by: lonepaul2441

I don't normally pay attention to world politics and i learnt very little about Russia in my whole life.

Its only now with the middle east stuff i have took an interest.
Wait a second why does the fact that russia is a democracy discard the fact that it is communist?.

And to be fair, I also knew very little about russia and have had numerouse discussions here. It has a complex recent history that my education criteria for some reason thought was insignificant.
Technically no. you can have a SOCIALIST democracy, but you cant have a COMMUNIST democracy.

very similar, one refers to economics, the other to politics respectivly.

  • 04.26.2011 12:40 PM PDT
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The cake is a pie


Posted by: Phoenix1330

Posted by: Ultermarto
WHAT? Why is Gadaffi shelling civilians in particular?. What does it win him?.

I guess it lowers morale. But let's hope the people take this as a reason to revolt rather than a reason to hide.



I thought of something earlier, gentlemen. How are we actually going to capture Gadaffi. The man has endless money and a military at his disposal. He could be anywhere. Even if the rebels breach tripoli and take hold of it, Gadaffi will be long gone.
Doubt he will, he has no more money as the world locked his accounts, and he can't get out by sea due to a NATO blockade, and he's surrounded on all sides by the rebels or countries sympathetic to the rebels.

Simply by land?. Libya is a big country. A big, wide country with lots of cars and roads. Why can't he simply hop in an armoured vehicle and drvie annonomously from Tripoli. Although I suppose if that happened the rebels would have won.

  • 04.26.2011 12:41 PM PDT