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Posted by: lonepaul2441

Posted by: xImNotProx
Is South Yemen Preparing to Declare Independence?

This article is very interesting. Almost nobody in the South wants to be unified with North Yemen. Almost all the flags in Aden are the flags of South Yemen. A General in the Southern independence movement says that South Yemen will be a "...liberal, social democracy, similar to current European socialism."
South Sudan will be Independant Midnight GMT

Yeah, it's really good that they finally got independence. Hopefully something similar will happen with Darfur.

[Edited on 07.08.2011 9:49 AM PDT]

  • 07.08.2011 9:49 AM PDT

Protests in Egypt are scheduled to reach into the millions, says Reuters..

I think they are being a little over the top on those numbers. Unless then mean across Egypt.

  • 07.08.2011 3:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999
On a less depressing note: We should prepare to welcome South Sudan as a new country soon. Sudan is a good example of a country that solved it's problems diplomatically.

Can't tell if trolling or just stupid

[Edited on 07.08.2011 9:19 PM PDT]

  • 07.08.2011 9:19 PM PDT
Subject: The Arab Spring, Focus on Libya, Syria, Egypt and Yemen UPDATE394

In Libya, the rebels are maintaining there advance. With the Misrata Rebels approaching Ziltan. Gaddafi is saying the 'Libyan Masses' will crush NATO, this was apart of a speech today meant to rally the loyalists. There was also 1 confirmed airstrike in the Misrata sector today if I have read right.

In Syria, Human rights watch has reported that the Syrian army has received and executed orders to shoot protesters. 13 people have been killed in Hama today.

[Edited on 07.09.2011 2:19 PM PDT]

  • 07.09.2011 2:19 PM PDT
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Bloomberg is reporting that Saleh is returning to Yemen on July 17th.

  • 07.09.2011 8:01 PM PDT

I see reports of American and French envoys in Hama right now. Looking for proper confirmation now.

Edit: confirmed, according to a report they were greeted by peaceful protesters with flowers and olive branches.

[Edited on 07.09.2011 8:27 PM PDT]

  • 07.09.2011 8:21 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

Firstly, Thanks to all of you who are keeping this thread updated in my absences this past week or so, I greatly appreciate it, I will have a hard time finding an opportunity to update probably for another week, and I'm showing up to read your posts more often than I am posting due to lack of time. Please keep it up.

That out of the way, here's the most current update out of the 4 major countries on our watch:

LIBYA
In towns like Zintan where fighting was once heavy, normal life has seemed to have resumed in light of major advances in the past two weeks.

The Western rebels have taken the Hamlet of Gualish which puts them about 20 or 30 km from the final strategic location before Tripoli. If the rebels succeed in taking the military town of Gharyan, it will put the rebels in control of a highly defensible location within striking distance of Tripoli, and reduce Gaddafi's hold to only two stronghold locations in the country, Sirte and Tripoli.

Military command for the rebels has been moved out of Benghazi and to Zintan, where the rebels have become better equipped after the french started supplying them, and where the rebels have taken 3 intact army bases, giving them tanks and armoured vehicles.

The Canadian HMCS Charlottetown is preparing to leave Libyan waters to be replaced by the HMCS Vancouver which is better equipped for ship to ship combat. The change is due to the lack of air threat, the anti-air frigate is becoming less useful, whereas the Vancouver will be more effective in the current role. the Charlottetown will be stationed in Italy for the remainder of the Libyan mission.

Gaddafi has threatened to send suicide bombers all across the EU.

YEMEN
While the Al Qaeda presence in Yemen is still strong, they no longer have control of any city, putting them as a 'fringe' combatant in the borderline civil war between the loyal 'Revolutionary Guard' and the rebel 'Revolution of the Youth'

The top 5 leaders of the Yemeni Al Qaeda sect have been killed by loyalist forces, this report was confirmed by the US.

Analysts say that while Saleh holds no real power anymore his family still controls much of the military.

After Saleh's appearance on TV, the divide in the country becomes more clear, and shows a nation that seems to be truly divided in half.

Human Rights Watch says that while Yemen's military is focused on Al-Qaeda they show no regard for civilians participating in protest, or in the area, often killing dozens in the crossfire with the Terror organization's troops.

SYRIA
Talks between the opposition leaders and al-Assad, are to begin today

The largest protest ever against al-Assad was held in Hama yesterday, The town fears retaliation today from al-Assad forces

Human Rights watch says that Syrian Security forces have been order to and carried out orders to kill protesters.

Human Rights watch says the US is not showing enough true support for the uprisings in Syria, saying that the US has implemented very few sanctions against the regime when compared to other UN countries, while military action is impossible without UN sanction, there is much more that the US could do to support the rights of the people.

Syria's Vice president, has made a public statement calling for a multi party democracy to be put in place.

EGYPT
while the Media is starting to hail the current protests as a second revolution, the protesters calling for elections to be held immediately and the military to be removed from power, say that the last revolution never ended.

in protest of the elections having still not happening, small children have been holding signs in Tahrir Square that read 'I will be the next Egyptian president' or 'I hope I will live to see a new leader elected' suggesting they think the military will not hold elections for years to come.



[Edited on 07.10.2011 9:27 AM PDT]

  • 07.10.2011 9:27 AM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

LIBYA
A united Front for the Rebels may become a reality in the next day or two. The Rebels have declared Victory in Zlitan, west of Tripoli, are less than 17 Km from the strategic location of Gharyan in the west, and the Misuratan force is now pushing the boarder of the city of Zawiyah. With the taking of these the points the Rebels will have isolated the bulk of Gaddafi's force in the Capital.

Loyalists attempted to stage a counter attack from Gharyan by firing about a dozen Grad rockets at the rebel positions, but were struck by NATO bombs mere minutes after the first volley was fired.

  • 07.10.2011 12:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Phoenix1330
Loyalists attempted to stage a counter attack from Gharyan by firing about a dozen Grad rockets at the rebel positions, but were struck by NATO bombs mere minutes after the first volley was fired.

Lol nice response time. And does anyone have a map of the current positions in Libya?

  • 07.10.2011 6:31 PM PDT
Subject: The Arab Spring, Focus on Libya, Syria, Egypt and Yemen UPDATE395

Libyas PM is asking for a UN intervention to stop the NATO military action. Gaddafi's son has said they are in talks with France.

It is great to see a massive push on Tripoli about to begin, will the eastern Rebels attempt a push to be apart of this or will they hold positions, because I would try and remove all the loyalists in Sirte if possible. Taking the city would most likely drop loyalist, and even maybe Gaddafi's, morale. But It could be to much of a risk and jeperdise the entire offensive.

[Edited on 07.10.2011 9:15 PM PDT]

  • 07.10.2011 9:13 PM PDT
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Hamid Karzai's brother was just assassinated by his head of security.

  • 07.12.2011 3:16 AM PDT
Subject: The Arab Spring, Focus on Libya, Syria, Egypt and Yemen UPDATE394


Posted by: xImNotProx

Posted by: lonepaul2441

Posted by: xImNotProx
Is South Yemen Preparing to Declare Independence?

This article is very interesting. Almost nobody in the South wants to be unified with North Yemen. Almost all the flags in Aden are the flags of South Yemen. A General in the Southern independence movement says that South Yemen will be a "...liberal, social democracy, similar to current European socialism."
South Sudan will be Independant Midnight GMT

Yeah, it's really good that they finally got independence. Hopefully something similar will happen with Darfur.


I came when I saw a country might get independence. Otherwise this thread is going far to long.

  • 07.12.2011 3:24 AM PDT
Subject: The Arab Spring, Focus on Libya, Syria, Egypt and Yemen UPDATE395

In Libya, I have no information on Rebel advances over the last two days. NATO expects a cease fire agreement for Ramadan from both side. There are reports of supply shortages on the rebels eastern front. edit 7/13: human rights watch has accused the rebels of looting, arson, and abusing Civilians.

In Syria, pro Assad protesters attacked the American and French embassies in Damascus, no one was killed, not sure if any were wounded, only shots fired were from French embassy guards. Edit 7/13: the united states officially has called Assad illegitimate after the embassy attacks. No information about violence today.

There was also an explosion on the island of Cyprus, NATO Libya operation have not been affected, 12 are reported dead. These were captured Iranian munitions that were originally meant for Syria captured some time ago. These ignited because of a wild fire.

[Edited on 07.13.2011 6:33 AM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 9:35 AM PDT

The cake is a pie

When this is all over, what would we have learned?

  • 07.14.2011 5:52 AM PDT


Posted by: Ultermarto
When this is all over, what would we have learned?


That change can happen anywhere.

In Libya, The Rebels yesterday have lost and retaken al-Qawalish yesterday. NATO's chief is requesting more aircraft for combat operation.

In Syria, several artists and intellectuals have been arrested after a anti Assad protest in Damascus. 5 people have been killed today as the Crack down continues. I am looking to see if anyone else has deemed Assad illegitimate.

In Sudan, the UNSC is working to make South Sudan a UN member.

  • 07.14.2011 10:05 AM PDT
Subject: The Arab Spring, Focus on Libya, Syria, Egypt and Yemen UPDATE395


Posted by: Mereel N7
In Libya, The Rebels yesterday have lost and retaken al-Qawalish yesterday. NATO's chief is requesting more aircraft for combat operation.

My god, can they just make a push for Tripoli already?

  • 07.14.2011 5:40 PM PDT
Subject: The Arab Spring, Focus on Libya, Syria, Egypt and Yemen UPDATE394
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Gaddafi claims he will blow up Tripoli if the Rebels try and seize Tripoli. Bad news for all.


Posted by: Dynex811

Posted by: Xd00999
On a less depressing note: We should prepare to welcome South Sudan as a new country soon. Sudan is a good example of a country that solved it's problems diplomatically.

Can't tell if trolling or just stupid

I'm aware that Sudan is not the best example. I was remarking that they had problems with the South and they held a vote to solve some of those problems. Sudan is by no means a great country. They just held a vote to solve a problem. That is all I meant by that sentence.

  • 07.14.2011 6:06 PM PDT
Subject: The Arab Spring, Focus on Libya, Syria, Egypt and Yemen UPDATE395

in Libya, the Rebels have supposedly taken Brega. Edit: Confirmed the Rebels have take al-Brega. the western offensive how ever seems to be holding at al-Qawalish. Edit 2: the United States has recognized the Rebels as the legitimate Libyan government.

in Syria, the crackdown in the eastern part of the country. Israeli experts say "the demise of the Assad regime is only a matter of time". Edit 2: 28 people have been killed today (friday)

in Egypt, the date for elections have been pushed back. CNN has compared Egypt to the wild west, this being that police can not or will not help people. Edit: the protesters are calling today "last warning Friday".

South Sudan is now the newest member of the United Nations.

would have better details but B.net was messed up when i did my last search.

Edit: Saturday 7/15

In Libya, England is sending in more planes. with the US recognition of the Rebels comes Gaddafi's frozen US funds

In Syria, a eastern town is UNDER ATTACK, with fighting in several locations. i will update when more detailed reports become available.

[Edited on 07.16.2011 8:41 AM PDT]

  • 07.14.2011 6:45 PM PDT
Subject: The Arab Spring, Focus on Libya, Syria, Egypt and Yemen UPDATE394


Posted by: Xd00999
Gaddafi claims he will blow up Tripoli if the Rebels try and seize Tripoli. Bad news for all.


Posted by: Dynex811

Posted by: Xd00999
On a less depressing note: We should prepare to welcome South Sudan as a new country soon. Sudan is a good example of a country that solved it's problems diplomatically.

Can't tell if trolling or just stupid

I'm aware that Sudan is not the best example. I was remarking that they had problems with the South and they held a vote to solve some of those problems. Sudan is by no means a great country. They just held a vote to solve a problem. That is all I meant by that sentence.

Well when they had (and in some cases continue to have) the Darfur conflict that also started conflicts in two other countries, that makes that statement pretty silly.

Besides, they had a 20 year long civil war that killed over a million people to secure that vote. That is in addition to the 20 year civil war that killed half a million before that.

The vote only had one political assassination, so I guess in those terms it was successful /facetious. South Sudan has only been independent for about a week. We still haven't seen if Sudan will try to destabilize it.

Sorry, but Sudan is a terrible example of a country that solved it's problems diplomatically. Kenya would be a better example and even they had mass violence.

  • 07.16.2011 9:21 AM PDT
Subject: The Arab Spring, Focus on Libya, Syria, Egypt and Yemen UPDATE395


Posted by: Mereel N7
in Libya, the Rebels have supposedly taken Brega. Edit: Confirmed the Rebels have take al-Brega. the western offensive how ever seems to be holding at al-Qawalish. Edit 2: the United States has recognized the Rebels as the legitimate Libyan government.

in Syria, the crackdown in the eastern part of the country. Israeli experts say "the demise of the Assad regime is only a matter of time". Edit 2: 28 people have been killed today (friday)

in Egypt, the date for elections have been pushed back. CNN has compared Egypt to the wild west, this being that police can not or will not help people. Edit: the protesters are calling today "last warning Friday".

South Sudan is now the newest member of the United Nations.

would have better details but B.net was messed up when i did my last search.

Edit: Saturday 7/15

In Libya, England is sending in more planes. with the US recognition of the Rebels comes Gaddafi's frozen US funds

In Syria, a eastern town is UNDER ATTACK, with fighting in several locations. i will update when more detailed reports become available.

I don't think I've thanked you for your updates. I appreciate it.

  • 07.16.2011 9:24 AM PDT