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Subject: No Fly Zone Has been declared over Libya

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So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

i would be doubtful of US involvement too, as the US has stressed so much that they wouldn't put boots on the ground. The Canadians and British have people there alongside red cross and humanitarian groups, it wouldn't be too difficult to repurpose them

  • 03.29.2011 1:08 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato

Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Posted by: Phoenix1330
i would be doubtful of US involvement too, as the US has stressed so much that they wouldn't put boots on the ground. The Canadians and British have people there alongside red cross and humanitarian groups, it wouldn't be too difficult to repurpose them
If I was to offer my professional opinion I would say send in a full assault battalion. Considering they have to get around hostages the best thing is to secure the outlying perimeter first and then send in a two or more fireteams to perform the actual securement. Shock & Awe is their best weapon.


Are you high?

The region is destabilised as it is, and if America of all the countries in the coalition put in soldiers the backlash would be huge. Countries would pull out of the coalition and 1973 would become void.

And as for hostages Gadaffi could be bluffing. He's delusional but not stupid.

  • 03.29.2011 1:18 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.


Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Posted by: Phoenix1330
i would be doubtful of US involvement too, as the US has stressed so much that they wouldn't put boots on the ground. The Canadians and British have people there alongside red cross and humanitarian groups, it wouldn't be too difficult to repurpose them
If I was to offer my professional opinion I would say send in a full assault battalion. Considering they have to get around hostages the best thing is to secure the outlying perimeter first and then send in a two or more fireteams to perform the actual securement. Shock & Awe is their best weapon.
there are 250 JTF-2 troops in Libya right now.

largest confirmed number of them to of ever been in one place for an operation. You want shock and awe? 250 JTF-2 would do it :)

  • 03.29.2011 1:19 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.


Posted by: II Cipher
Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Posted by: Phoenix1330
i would be doubtful of US involvement too, as the US has stressed so much that they wouldn't put boots on the ground. The Canadians and British have people there alongside red cross and humanitarian groups, it wouldn't be too difficult to repurpose them
If I was to offer my professional opinion I would say send in a full assault battalion. Considering they have to get around hostages the best thing is to secure the outlying perimeter first and then send in a two or more fireteams to perform the actual securement. Shock & Awe is their best weapon.


Are you high?

The region is destabilised as it is, and if America of all the countries in the coalition put in soldiers the backlash would be huge. Countries would pull out of the coalition and 1973 would become void.

And as for hostages Gadaffi could be bluffing. He's delusional but not stupid.
he's saying that if anyone goes in it should be a full battalion, however, i agree the US doing so would be seen VERY negatively, even more so than any other country in this situation

  • 03.29.2011 1:21 PM PDT

Duracell.
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So what if the saxophone is black?
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The 40 country large coalition is now in talks about the possibility of arming the rebels. As more comes in on this I'll fill you in

  • 03.29.2011 2:02 PM PDT

Duracell.
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but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

the front line has been pushed back to the highway between Brega and Ajdabiya.

  • 03.29.2011 2:03 PM PDT

Duracell.
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So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
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Rebels have now asked for direct intervention, suggesting boots on the ground from NATO

  • 03.29.2011 2:05 PM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Posted by: Phoenix1330

Posted by: II Cipher
Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Posted by: Phoenix1330
i would be doubtful of US involvement too, as the US has stressed so much that they wouldn't put boots on the ground. The Canadians and British have people there alongside red cross and humanitarian groups, it wouldn't be too difficult to repurpose them
If I was to offer my professional opinion I would say send in a full assault battalion. Considering they have to get around hostages the best thing is to secure the outlying perimeter first and then send in a two or more fireteams to perform the actual securement. Shock & Awe is their best weapon.


Are you high?

The region is destabilised as it is, and if America of all the countries in the coalition put in soldiers the backlash would be huge. Countries would pull out of the coalition and 1973 would become void.

And as for hostages Gadaffi could be bluffing. He's delusional but not stupid.
he's saying that if anyone goes in it should be a full battalion, however, i agree the US doing so would be seen VERY negatively, even more so than any other country in this situation
Thank you, I would say the Canadians along side rebels could mount a direct assault and a British SAS or U.S. SEAL team could execute the actual apprehension. In theory at least.

The Rebels and Candians/British idea would work but not the addition of American troops. One because America will not deploy any soldiers due to the international uproar it will cause, two becuase there are no SEAL, 1st SFOD-D ar Green Beret units in the area and finally becuase American units do not have a good reputation for hostage rescue. There trained primarly alone the cold war basis of lighnting strikes and gurilla warfare, while JTF-2 and the SAS are more multi-role

  • 03.29.2011 2:11 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
This is an incredible step forward to being able to cure Downss sybndonre mn humans bineg.s

They need spotters.

  • 03.29.2011 2:12 PM PDT
Subject: Events in Libya, Unrest in the Arab World UPDATE167
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Posted by: Seggi31
They need spotters.

Indeed they do. I would not be suprised if the British have/are deploying the Special Recon Regiment (SRR)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Reconnaissance_Regiment

[Edited on 03.29.2011 2:15 PM PDT]

  • 03.29.2011 2:14 PM PDT
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I reckon we should just send in special forces quickly into tripoli, capture gaddafi, and take him to Europe for war crimes. Nice thought, probably wont happen. ):

What will happen is either of these 3 situations

1.We refuse to send soldiers for the rebels, war hits a stalemate and lasts for months, maybe years. I think the rebels would eventually lose as lack of training and decent weapons is too crippling. All the bombing would do is prolong the war. Once gaddafis troops get into a city, we cant effectivly bomb it, due to civilians. Rebels would probably lose the east.

2.We give the rebels weapons and training but dont send forces. Again would lead to a prolonged war, but would be much better for the rebels, maybe leading to a victory for them. Decision may bite us in the ass later, depending on the rebel leader and Al-Queda ties in the rebel forces. Rebels might keep the east of Libyia, but unlikely to take tripoli and the west

3.We put boots on the ground. Their would probably be a huge protest over this decision, and is unlikely to happen. If it did happen,we would probably be able to defeat gaddafis troops and ride into Tripoli within maybe 6 months. We would need Arab boots to tell the people that this is not a western invasion. Some of our troops would die, alot of our money would be spent, and their would be protests over this, but its a quick and surefire way of defeating gaddafi

I personally think 2 is the best, and 3 the worst situation in this conflict

[Edited on 03.29.2011 2:17 PM PDT]

  • 03.29.2011 2:16 PM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.


Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: ExquisiteDragon

i would be doubtful of US involvement too, as the US has stressed so much that they wouldn't put boots on the ground. The Canadians and British have people there alongside red cross and humanitarian groups, it wouldn't be too difficult to repurpose them
[/quote]If I was to offer my professional opinion I would say send in a full assault battalion. Considering they have to get around hostages the best thing is to secure the outlying perimeter first and then send in a two or more fireteams to perform the actual securement. Shock & Awe is their best weapon. [/quote]

Are you high?

The region is destabilised as it is, and if America of all the countries in the coalition put in soldiers the backlash would be huge. Countries would pull out of the coalition and 1973 would become void.

And as for hostages Gadaffi could be bluffing. He's delusional but not stupid. [/quote]he's saying that if anyone goes in it should be a full battalion, however, i agree the US doing so would be seen VERY negatively, even more so than any other country in this situation[/quote]Thank you, I would say the Canadians along side rebels could mount a direct assault and a British SAS or U.S. SEAL team could execute the actual apprehension. In theory at least. [/quote]
The Rebels and Candians/British idea would work but not the addition of American troops. One because America will not deploy any soldiers due to the international uproar it will cause, two becuase there are no SEAL, 1st SFOD-D ar Green Beret units in the area and finally becuase American units do not have a good reputation for hostage rescue. There trained primarly alone the cold war basis of lighnting strikes and gurilla warfare, while JTF-2 and the SAS are more multi-role[/quote]Actually, SEALS have been perfecting hostage rescue situations since an unofficial incident in South America years back. You'd be very surprised at the improvements they've made. [/quote]
Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: ExquisiteDragon

i would be doubtful of US involvement too, as the US has stressed so much that they wouldn't put boots on the ground. The Canadians and British have people there alongside red cross and humanitarian groups, it wouldn't be too difficult to repurpose them
[/quote]If I was to offer my professional opinion I would say send in a full assault battalion. Considering they have to get around hostages the best thing is to secure the outlying perimeter first and then send in a two or more fireteams to perform the actual securement. Shock & Awe is their best weapon. [/quote]

Are you high?

The region is destabilised as it is, and if America of all the countries in the coalition put in soldiers the backlash would be huge. Countries would pull out of the coalition and 1973 would become void.

And as for hostages Gadaffi could be bluffing. He's delusional but not stupid.
he's saying that if anyone goes in it should be a full battalion, however, i agree the US doing so would be seen VERY negatively, even more so than any other country in this situation
Thank you, I would say the Canadians along side rebels could mount a direct assault and a British SAS or U.S. SEAL team could execute the actual apprehension. In theory at least.

The Rebels and Candians/British idea would work but not the addition of American troops. One because America will not deploy any soldiers due to the international uproar it will cause, two becuase there are no SEAL, 1st SFOD-D ar Green Beret units in the area and finally becuase American units do not have a good reputation for hostage rescue. There trained primarly alone the cold war basis of lighnting strikes and gurilla warfare, while JTF-2 and the SAS are more multi-role
Actually, SEALS have been perfecting hostage rescue situations since an unofficial incident in South America years back. You'd be very surprised at the improvements they've made.

Really? i never heard about any of this, except for the increase in counter-piracy training.
Slightly off topic, I would like to pioint out that Canada has female special forces operators currently deployed in Libya

  • 03.29.2011 2:23 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.


Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: ExquisiteDragon

i would be doubtful of US involvement too, as the US has stressed so much that they wouldn't put boots on the ground. The Canadians and British have people there alongside red cross and humanitarian groups, it wouldn't be too difficult to repurpose them
[/quote]If I was to offer my professional opinion I would say send in a full assault battalion. Considering they have to get around hostages the best thing is to secure the outlying perimeter first and then send in a two or more fireteams to perform the actual securement. Shock & Awe is their best weapon. [/quote]

Are you high?

The region is destabilised as it is, and if America of all the countries in the coalition put in soldiers the backlash would be huge. Countries would pull out of the coalition and 1973 would become void.

And as for hostages Gadaffi could be bluffing. He's delusional but not stupid. [/quote]he's saying that if anyone goes in it should be a full battalion, however, i agree the US doing so would be seen VERY negatively, even more so than any other country in this situation[/quote]Thank you, I would say the Canadians along side rebels could mount a direct assault and a British SAS or U.S. SEAL team could execute the actual apprehension. In theory at least.

The Rebels and Candians/British idea would work but not the addition of American troops. One because America will not deploy any soldiers due to the international uproar it will cause, two becuase there are no SEAL, 1st SFOD-D ar Green Beret units in the area and finally becuase American units do not have a good reputation for hostage rescue. There trained primarly alone the cold war basis of lighnting strikes and gurilla warfare, while JTF-2 and the SAS are more multi-role
Actually, SEALS have been perfecting hostage rescue situations since an unofficial incident in South America years back. You'd be very surprised at the improvements they've made.
the problem as a non-JTF-2 memeber, is nobody actually knows what JTF-2 does. Their rep in the CF is the 'shoot first, never ask questions, never loose a man' attitude, but we have no real reference point as there is yet to be a fully de-classified JTF-2 op.

They are internationally recognized as a First-response-anti-terrorism unit, so i would assume that hostage rescue is in their retinue, but no idea if they are specialized in it.

  • 03.29.2011 2:26 PM PDT
Subject: Events in Libya, Unrest in the Arab World UPDATE167

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.


Posted by: That Atheist
Really? i never heard about any of this, except for the increase in counter-piracy training.
Slightly off topic, I would like to pioint out that Canada has female special forces operators currently deployed in Libya
JTF-2 has always been a unisex unit

EDIT: i should clarify here, there has never been a singlesex unit in the Canadian military

EDIT2: that is to say there has never been a unit in the CF that has barred eithersex from joining the unit

[Edited on 03.29.2011 2:33 PM PDT]

  • 03.29.2011 2:27 PM PDT
Subject: No Fly Zone Has been declared over Libya
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

Posted by: Phoenix1330

Posted by: That Atheist
Really? i never heard about any of this, except for the increase in counter-piracy training.
Slightly off topic, I would like to pioint out that Canada has female special forces operators currently deployed in Libya
JTF-2 has always been a unisex unit

Actually, the entire Canadian Military has been unisex since the late 1980s. I was just making sure people realized that, as the modern image of a special forces operator is a big tough rambo like-guy, even though that is so very often the opposite of true

  • 03.29.2011 2:31 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.


Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: Phoenix1330

Posted by: That Atheist
Really? i never heard about any of this, except for the increase in counter-piracy training.
Slightly off topic, I would like to pioint out that Canada has female special forces operators currently deployed in Libya
JTF-2 has always been a unisex unit

Actually, the entire Canadian Military has been unisex since the late 1980s. I was just making sure people realized that, as the modern image of a special forces operator is a big tough rambo like-guy, even though that is so very often the opposite of true
lol literally as you were posting this response i edited my post to clarify

  • 03.29.2011 2:32 PM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

Posted by: Phoenix1330

Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: Phoenix1330

Posted by: That Atheist
Really? i never heard about any of this, except for the increase in counter-piracy training.
Slightly off topic, I would like to pioint out that Canada has female special forces operators currently deployed in Libya
JTF-2 has always been a unisex unit

Actually, the entire Canadian Military has been unisex since the late 1980s. I was just making sure people realized that, as the modern image of a special forces operator is a big tough rambo like-guy, even though that is so very often the opposite of true
lol literally as you were posting this response i edited my post to clarify

Sorry 'bout that

  • 03.29.2011 2:34 PM PDT
Subject: Events in Libya, Unrest in the Arab World UPDATE167

well, putting boots on the ground is a bad idea...

i suggest having Egypt and Tunisia do this, but could be a problem because they have new, fragile, governments that probably aren't in a position to commit to a operation of this size at the present time.

[Edited on 03.29.2011 2:44 PM PDT]

  • 03.29.2011 2:44 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.


Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
I would recommend that NATO insert sniper teams throughout hot zones.
regardless we are straying into the relm of speculation rather than fact reporting.

lets refocus guys

  • 03.29.2011 3:04 PM PDT

any news on Syria?

  • 03.29.2011 3:17 PM PDT