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Subject: What do you think the Prisoner said to the ancient humans?(spoilers)

~Thomsn0w

Prisoner "Hey. Hey, you! Yeah, you! Wanna know what he said about your mum?"
Human "Umm ok."
Prisoner *whispers*
Human grabs rope and walks away to a tree.

  • 03.21.2011 2:18 PM PDT

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  • 03.22.2011 12:46 AM PDT

In all honesty it was probably something so vast and alien that their minds could not comprehend, and so it drove them to suicide through insanity.

Now, I only just finished Cryptum and wasn't exactly committing every word to my eternal memory, but from what I could see the Prisoner and the Gravemind are linked, but not in the way we imagine.

Have we ever really considered the meaning of 'Gravemind'? Sure, the Flood are dead and the Gravemind is their centralised hub, per se, but what if it means something else?

The Prisoner could have indeed been the last Precusor. Until Charum Hakkor was cleansed with Halo, at which point he might have likely been destroyed.

However, a fragment of his mind could have lingered, much in the same way the Forerunner store a portion of their personality before death in their armour. Bear in mind Precursors would be far more adept at this, perhaps being able to preserve their entire being aside from physically in their 'armour' (or the Precursor equivalent.)

And so the Prisoner remains, a mind in his grave. The prison he is kept in is opened by the Halo blast, and he escapes on Mendicant Bias' Halo ring.

In order to regain physical form, the Flood bring biomass to him (I'm assuming there is a connection between the Precursors and Flood, there's too much coincidence for it to be otherwise. The Flood's appearance didn't seem to well explained in Cryptum, I had been hoping for a chilling first encounter on G617.)

And so with time, he becomes what we know as the Gravemind; a prisoner within flesh not of his own.

Sure, this is pretty much pure conjecture (like all my theories) and I'm not even convinced myself by it, but I'll leave you with this quote from the Gravemind:

"Silence fills the empty grave, now that I have gone. But my mind is not at rest, for questions linger on."

It's a thought, at least.

[Edited on 03.22.2011 4:52 AM PDT]

  • 03.22.2011 4:16 AM PDT

Do you know what kind of hat I'm wearing?

A party hat; you don't get one. An honor will this party be, a party in your honor, for your honor. Some of Tfear's personal guards are going to be there. You'll be introduced shortly.

Prepare to die.

My theory is that the gravemind assimilated the precursor .
"We exist together now, two corpses in one grave..."(It's probably aimed at MC, but it fits in my cryprum theory)
I guess we'll find out in the next book.

And I'd commit suicide if my life long goal was to communicate with an alien 'precursor' only to hear that he wants us to be violently destroyed, and there is no escape from it.

[spoilers][/spoilers]

  • 03.22.2011 4:43 AM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
In all honesty it was probably something so vast and alien that their minds could not comprehend, and so it drove them to suicide through insanity.

Now, I only just finished Cryptum and wasn't exactly committing every word to my eternal memory, but from what I could see the Prisoner and the Gravemind are linked, but not in the way we imagine.

Have we ever really considered the meaning of 'Gravemind'? Sure, the Flood are dead and the Gravemind is their centralised hub, per se, but what if it means something else?

The Prisoner could have indeed been the last Precusor. Until Charum Hakkor was cleansed with Halo, at which point he might have likely been destroyed.

However, a fragment of his mind could have lingered, much in the same way the Forerunner store a portion of their personality before death in their armour. Bear in mind Precursors would be far more adept at this, perhaps being able to preserve their entire being aside from physically in their 'armour' (or the Precursor equivalent.)

And so the Prisoner remains, a mind in his grave. The prison he is kept in is opened by the Halo blast, and he escapes on Mendicant Bias' Halo ring.

In order to regain physical form, the Flood bring biomass to him (I'm assuming there is a connection between the Precursors and Flood, there's too much coincidence for it to be otherwise. The Flood's appearance didn't seem to well explained in Cryptum, I had been hoping for a chilling first encounter on G617.)

And so with time, he becomes what we know as the Gravemind; a prisoner within flesh not of his own.

Sure, this is pretty much pure conjecture (like all my theories) and I'm not even convinced myself by it, but I'll leave you with this quote from the Gravemind:

"Silence fills the empty grave, now that I have gone. But my mind is not at rest, for questions linger on."

It's a thought, at least.


Nice theory there, Wolverfrog, the Gravemind and Prisoner are definitely linked in some way, and are most likely the same entity, imo, there is just too much evidence pointing to it for it to not be true (unless Greg Bear is throwing us a massive red herring).

  • 03.22.2011 9:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Wolverfrog
The Flood's appearance didn't seem to well explained in Cryptum, I had been hoping for a chilling first encounter on G617.)



In the newer version of Halo Evolutions it was told in the story "Soma the Painter". G617 is called "Seaward" and retreat planet used by rich forerunners and keep a secret and labled as uncharted to the Forerunner populus. You can read the summary on halopedian.


Anyway, i was Thinking on a theory that the Precursor told the Humans that the Forerunners were the Ones that Created them. Seeing how in Cryptum flipped our knowledge of halo i decided to take it a step farther.

  • 03.22.2011 9:58 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Wolverfrog
The Flood's appearance didn't seem to well explained in Cryptum, I had been hoping for a chilling first encounter on G617.)



In the newer version of Halo Evolutions it was told in the story "Soma the Painter". G617 is called "Seaward" and retreat planet used by rich forerunners and keep a secret and labled as uncharted to the Forerunner populus. You can read the summary on halopedian.


Anyway, i was Thinking on a theory that the Precursor told the Humans that the Forerunners were the Ones that Created them. Seeing how in Cryptum flipped our knowledge of halo i decided to take it a step farther.

no, humans and forerunners are "brothers", both created by the precursors, but they both evolved quite differently.

  • 03.23.2011 1:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Wolverfrog
The Flood's appearance didn't seem to well explained in Cryptum, I had been hoping for a chilling first encounter on G617.)



In the newer version of Halo Evolutions it was told in the story "Soma the Painter". G617 is called "Seaward" and retreat planet used by rich forerunners and keep a secret and labled as uncharted to the Forerunner populus. You can read the summary on halopedian.


Anyway, i was Thinking on a theory that the Precursor told the Humans that the Forerunners were the Ones that Created them. Seeing how in Cryptum flipped our knowledge of halo i decided to take it a step farther.

no, humans and forerunners are "brothers", both created by the precursors, but they both evolved quite differently.


That is what We Assume and what the forerunners assume, it was never stated. Which was the purpose of my idea, to change an assumtion around into something we wouldn't expect

  • 03.23.2011 11:45 AM PDT

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