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Subject: Who would win in a hand-to-hand fight, Master Chief or The Arbiter?

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Poll: Who would win in a hand-to-hand fight, Master Chief or The Arbiter?  [closed]
Master Chief:  52%
(29 Votes)
The Arbiter:  48%
(27 Votes)
Total Votes: 56

Who would win in a hand-to-hand fight, Master Chief or The Arbiter? No weapons whatsoever, just straight up strength and brutal power.

  • 03.21.2011 11:53 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

The Arbiter, the fact that Elites are as strong as Spartan II's who are augmented just tells you that an Elite would win in hand to hand.

  • 03.21.2011 12:19 PM PDT

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Hmmm...probably a pretty even match. I'm leaning toward The Arbiter, but I can also see the Master Chief winning, as well.

  • 03.21.2011 12:24 PM PDT
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I believe the Chief would lose without any weapon. If it was Will he would probably win.

  • 03.21.2011 12:24 PM PDT

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The Arbiter.

In the books, it said that an average Blue Minor was a almost a strong as the Chief. (Who is not the strongest Spartan, though.)

The Arbiter was a Supreme Commander. In order to get to that rank, you have to kill thousands of humans. You can't be only as strong as Minor to hold that position for long. He's probably 3 times stronger than a Minor. Hence, 3 times stronger than the Chief.

Though, Chief as infinite luck. So, you know he'd somehow find a trap door or something else would save him.

[Edited on 03.21.2011 1:50 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2011 1:31 PM PDT

He's not three times stronger than a Elite....what are you even talking about? John, after fighting without any sleep and taking constant injuries on Halo for 3 days, found it difficult to outmuscle a Minor. John even states this as being his reason for having trouble. Did you mean three times as skilled? Because they are supposed to be equals in terms of overall ability, John and the Arbitor.

We have no way to know who is physically stronger. The only evidence had Jai of Grey Team engage Thel in hand-to-hand, and Jai broke his ribs and threw him into a wall while taking little to no damage.

Unarmed, likely the Arbitor since John wasn't a melee focused Spartan. Will would likely strangle Thel in unarmed hand to hand, as he was the best at that.

[Edited on 03.21.2011 1:45 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2011 1:44 PM PDT

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Arbiter hands down. He has debatably more combat experience. plus he is at least a head taller than the cheif.
proof (look at Arbiter Jungle2.jpg pic)

[Edited on 03.21.2011 1:49 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2011 1:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: Halfa55al
Who would win in a hand-to-hand fight, Master Chief or The Arbiter? No weapons whatsoever, just straight up strength and brutal power.


Chief hands down. Sure Arby can swing a sword, but I never saw him in Hand-To-Hand - and by that I can't judge him.

  • 03.21.2011 1:48 PM PDT

The Arbiter would win the hand to hand fight.

[Edited on 03.21.2011 1:58 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2011 1:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: forthnback
He's not three times stronger than a Elite.

That was an estimate, as we really don't have stats for each character. This is mostly based on how we view the creatures in the Halo universe and I view the Arbiter being the toughest Elite you'll ever come across. (Though, the Imperial Admiral was probably stronger.)
The Arbiter had a very high rank. And rank in the Covenant is based on how strong you are. (Not exactly, but you can't be as weak as a Minor and keep your rank for long, you'd die in combat to easily.)

The Chief may be strong for a human, but there's no way he's as physically strong as any Elite over the rank of Zealot. Not to mention the Elite's armor doesn't augment their strength. I'm very confident the Arbiter would win in hand to hand combat. He's been a warrior for a long, long time.

  • 03.21.2011 1:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
The Arbiter, the fact that Elites are as strong as Spartan II's who are augmented just tells you that an Elite would win in hand to hand.
Missile pods are described as being capable of being lifted by "armoured SPARTANS or particularly strong elites."

Anyway, Thel 'Vadamee would be taller and stockier, with a longer reach. However, in his armour, 117 is much faster, stronger, heavier, and harder-hitting.
Even without his armour, I think that 117 would at least be in strong contention for the lead - S-III class SPARTANS with minimal armour power assistance and less-powerful augmentations can defeat Elites in hand-to-hand very easily in their SPI suits.

[Edited on 03.21.2011 2:22 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2011 2:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
The Arbiter, the fact that Elites are as strong as Spartan II's who are augmented just tells you that an Elite would win in hand to hand.
Missile pods are described as being capable of being lifted by "armoured SPARTANS or particularly strong elites."


It is also said that only a Spartan is strong enough to rip off a turret from it's stand and carry it around and yet we see ODSTs doing that.

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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
The Arbiter, the fact that Elites are as strong as Spartan II's who are augmented just tells you that an Elite would win in hand to hand.
Missile pods are described as being capable of being lifted by "armoured SPARTANS or particularly strong elites."

Anyway, Thel 'Vadamee would be taller and stockier, with a longer reach. However, in his armour, 117 is much faster, stronger, heavier, and harder-hitting.
Even without his armour, I think that 117 would at least be in strong contention for the lead - S-III class SPARTANS with minimal armour power assistance and less-powerful augmentations can defeat Elites in hand-to-hand very easily in their SPI suits.


I think the reason for that is because Spartan-IIIs had better augmentations compared to Spartan-IIs because of advances in technology that included chemical cocktails with surgery that had also more, better side effects among them.

[Edited on 03.21.2011 2:31 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2011 2:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ageless Durandal
Not to mention the Elite's armor doesn't augment their strength.

Actually it does. It augments their strength and speed just like Mjolnir. Check the Sangheili page in the Halo Encyclopaedia for more information. The higher ranked a Sangheili is, the more sophisticated and advanced their armour becomes.

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
The Arbiter, the fact that Elites are as strong as Spartan II's who are augmented just tells you that an Elite would win in hand to hand.
Missile pods are described as being capable of being lifted by "armoured SPARTANS or particularly strong elites."

It is also said that only a Spartan is strong enough to rip off a turret from it's stand and carry it around and yet we see ODSTs doing that.

Gameplay. Given a written canonical fact and then some gameplay mechanic that contradicts, the written thing should take precedence otherwise be prepared to retcon the entirety of First Strike, as the none of the Spartans should have survived their fall according to gameplay.

Where is it stated that only Spartans can remove a turret anyway?

Arbiter would probably win. Chief was never that good in hand to hand situations and often struggled with Elites up close. Thel has more experience than the average Elite.

  • 03.21.2011 2:37 PM PDT


Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
The Arbiter, the fact that Elites are as strong as Spartan II's who are augmented just tells you that an Elite would win in hand to hand.
Missile pods are described as being capable of being lifted by "armoured SPARTANS or particularly strong elites."

Anyway, Thel 'Vadamee would be taller and stockier, with a longer reach. However, in his armour, 117 is much faster, stronger, heavier, and harder-hitting.
Even without his armour, I think that 117 would at least be in strong contention for the lead - S-III class SPARTANS with minimal armour power assistance and less-powerful augmentations can defeat Elites in hand-to-hand very easily in their SPI suits.


I wouldn't call the S3 augmentations less powerful. Medical advances meant they could be applied with little to no chance of a washout. That doesn't mean it was weaker.

Anyway, if it's without armor Thel has a major advantage. Your average elite was just as strong as your average spartan in MJOLNIR. Seeing as lower level elite armor's aren't as good as the higher ranking ones...

edit: Coming from a high-gravity planet also gives them a boost in terms of strength and agility compared to humans.

[Edited on 03.21.2011 3:06 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2011 3:05 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Where is it stated that only Spartans can remove a turret anyway?

The AIE-486H is usable in Halo 3: ODST in its detached state, just as it is in Halo 3. This is done for gameplay reasons only, as an un-enhanced human should not be strong enough to pick the turret up, much less carry it around, fire it accurately on the move or be faster than a Spartan wielding one.

So the argument about only strong Elites being able to pick it up is not really confirmed, due to their base strength never being tested.

  • 03.21.2011 3:29 PM PDT


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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
The Arbiter, the fact that Elites are as strong as Spartan II's who are augmented just tells you that an Elite would win in hand to hand.


Obviously everyone who replied that arbiter would win are stupid. Bungie has never said that elites could run as fast as spartans and be just as strong. Spartans can lift,throw, kick,objects that weigh 4000 pounds while I bet a high rainking elite could only do that to 1500 pounds. CHIEF!! is stronger. A spartan can easily take down an elite in hand to hand if the elite's shields are disabled.

Everyone here needs to stop thinking of spartans and elites being compared in multiplayer. Thats the only time they are equal. Also books over exaggerate elite's abilities too much which needs to be fixed.


Wrong, on several points. In The fall of Reach, an elite minor is stated as being "Just as strong as Master Chief."

Master Chief has been stated that he is not the fastest, strongest, or smartest Spartan. Therefore Chief being stronger then other Spartans is also wrong.

We aren't using MP in this comparison. If books 'over-exaggerate' elite's abilities then they sure as hell do the same for Spartans.

  • 03.21.2011 3:48 PM PDT

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the votes are damn close. Both are probably almost equal in strength, the Arbiter may have more experience but Chief c'mon, Chief pretty much single handedly destroyed the Covenant after Reach.

  • 03.21.2011 4:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Halfa55al
the votes are damn close. Both are probably almost equal in strength, the Arbiter may have more experience but Chief c'mon, Chief pretty much single handedly destroyed the Covenant after Reach.


With difficulty, with weapons, and with support. Twice in hand-to-hand combat he had great difficulty winning, one against a black-armored elite and the other with a brute. He wasn't the only person who caused it all.

  • 03.21.2011 4:22 PM PDT

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  • 03.21.2011 4:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Where is it stated that only Spartans can remove a turret anyway?

The AIE-486H is usable in Halo 3: ODST in its detached state, just as it is in Halo 3. This is done for gameplay reasons only, as an un-enhanced human should not be strong enough to pick the turret up, much less carry it around, fire it accurately on the move or be faster than a Spartan wielding one.

I rest my case. Gameplay does not override canon.

  • 03.21.2011 4:46 PM PDT

The Chief would win, he can fight dirty if he has to.

  • 03.21.2011 4:53 PM PDT

I would have to go with master chief. in first strike john goes up against a brute for the first time in unarmed combat. he notes that the brute is faster and stronger then any elite he had ever encountered. it beat his shields down to nothing in a couple seconds even after taking a full clip of a AR into its chest. yet master chief still managed to win. he may not be as strong or as fast but he has technique. he was taught to fight since age 6.

i know that he won with the help of a frag grenade but he managed to outsmart it.

  • 03.21.2011 6:02 PM PDT

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