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  • 03.21.2011 12:48 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

You cannot destroy the flood, just stop it by starving it.

  • 03.21.2011 12:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: ashbot
In short, the Forerunners should have designed the rings to target a certain biological aspect unique, to if not all, at least the Pure forms.
See, that's the problem, is non-pure Flood forms.

Because of the diversity of species the Flood will take over, and how it will then 'reproduce' off them with Infection Forms, simply killing Pure Forms would only solve half the problem.

  • 03.21.2011 12:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You cannot destroy the flood, just stop it by starving it.

Humans did it.

  • 03.21.2011 12:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: JJAB91

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You cannot destroy the flood, just stop it by starving it.

Humans did it.


How? When?

  • 03.21.2011 12:54 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

I don't understand why they put land, enviroments, and species on the Halo Array. It doesn't make sense and is pretty ironic.

  • 03.21.2011 12:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: ashbot

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
I don't understand why they put land, enviroments, and species on the Halo Array. It doesn't make sense and is pretty ironic.



Exactly one of the points I made. Good to see someone agrees.


The enviroments are to sustain the species while they are relocated to their native planets.

  • 03.21.2011 1:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: ashbot

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: ashbot

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
I don't understand why they put land, enviroments, and species on the Halo Array. It doesn't make sense and is pretty ironic.



Exactly one of the points I made. Good to see someone agrees.


The enviroments are to sustain the species while they are relocated to their native planets.

Why would the species be moved from their native planets anyway? They're in as much danger on the Arrays as they would be on their planet


The Array can have some sort of protection from the blast and why move them out of their planets? to move them to shield worlds perhaps? I don't think forerunners would just like to leave the galaxy devoid of life forever.

  • 03.21.2011 1:11 PM PDT

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What do they mean?

What method do the rings use to eliminate all sentient life? Radiation? Or...?

  • 03.21.2011 1:21 PM PDT

I wake up to find myself
After all these years
And where all the time has gone
Still seems so unclear

The Halo array was not only a Flood containment facility, it was also a Flood research facility. And how do you think they researched the flood? How do we research effects that drugs have on people? By subjecting them to the drug. Maybe, that's why they had life and environments on the Halos. To study the effects of the Flood in a contained environment. It became dangerous when we landed there, because then they could get off with our ships. (Human/Covenant ships.)

Another explanation is that the Forerunner Builders took pride in their work and wanted to make each Ring unique and beautiful. Which they find plants and anything natural to be.

The humans were able to defeat the Flood the first time because the last Precursor told them how to do it. They didn't "figure it out" on their own.

Also, they sent Mendicant Bias to kill Gravemind. Which was their version of what you're talking about. However, I think we all know how well that turned out.

  • 03.21.2011 1:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Syn AngelFire
What method do the rings use to eliminate all sentient life? Radiation? Or...?


Yeah, radiation. They target specific cells and the likes, like neurones for example.

  • 03.21.2011 1:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: JJAB91

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You cannot destroy the flood, just stop it by starving it.

Humans did it.


Because the plot willed it, yeah.

If the Gravemind hadn't suddenly and inexplicabbly sent 100% of his forces to the ark, Cortana's 'plan' would never have worked.

  • 03.21.2011 1:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob

Posted by: JJAB91

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You cannot destroy the flood, just stop it by starving it.

Humans did it.


Because the plot willed it, yeah.

If the Gravemind hadn't suddenly and inexplicabbly sent 100% of his forces to the ark, Cortana's 'plan' would never have worked.


I don't think those were all of the Gravemnid's forces, there can be more flood on the other rings and besides, we can also add to the possible millions of flood units on the galaxy they came from.

  • 03.21.2011 1:51 PM PDT

The Flood Super Cell prevents any single anti-biological attack from working. It adapts instantaniously to literally anything. It could create an entire new sub-race of Flood to counter a specific threat, but the point is, the FSC would make a bio attack useless.

The life and fauna on the Ring, btw, is not affected by the Ring's blast it would seem. They imply this in Cryptum.

  • 03.21.2011 1:55 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: JJAB91

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You cannot destroy the flood, just stop it by starving it.

Humans did it.


How? When?


In Cryptum, we defeated an extremely primitive strain of the Flood, before it grew to its central intelligence that we know today. Our defeat of the primitive Flood is not that impressive.

@RKOSNAKE

The Halo Array doesn't use radiation, it uses a Neural Physics pulse. In all essentials, it wipes you from existence. Read Cryptum; Neural Physics is the concept of life and the universe are one.

[Edited on 03.21.2011 2:00 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2011 1:57 PM PDT

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What do they mean?

If radiation and biological attacks don't effect the flood or Gravemind, I say stop it from communicating.

The flood works by following instructions from its "central intelligence" or Gravemind. If you could isolate how the Gravemind communicates with its infections forms, then you could possibly stop the flood. With no communication, the infection forms would revert to baser instincts such as the drive for food (infecting anything and everything). But, with no ulterior motive, the flood would eventually hit a glass ceiling.

We know that the Gravemind doesn't just try to infect everything, because it tries to stop any attempt at destroying the flood. So, this means a flood that is unable to communicate would not know what is going on halfway across the galaxy. Sure they could still infect things local to them, but their motivations would be different. They would most likely be unable to accomplish meaningful tasks that would help their species evolve or adapt. They would just infect.

In essence, stop communication, stop the flood.


EDIT:
Stopping the flood from communicating might not 'destroy' the flood, but it could isolate them somewhere with no means of travel or higher motivation.

[Edited on 03.21.2011 2:11 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2011 2:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob

Posted by: JJAB91

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You cannot destroy the flood, just stop it by starving it.

Humans did it.


Because the plot willed it, yeah.

If the Gravemind hadn't suddenly and inexplicabbly sent 100% of his forces to the ark, Cortana's 'plan' would never have worked.

Earlier than that. Before the Halo firing.

  • 03.21.2011 2:07 PM PDT


Posted by: Syn AngelFire
If radiation and biological attacks don't effect the flood or Gravemind, I say stop it from communicating.

The flood works by following instructions from its "central intelligence" or Gravemind. If you could isolate how the Gravemind communicates with its infections forms, then you could possibly stop the flood. With no communication, the infection forms would revert to baser instincts such as the drive for food (infecting anything and everything). But, with no ulterior motive, the flood would eventually hit a glass ceiling.

We know that the Gravemind doesn't just try to infect everything, because it tries to stop any attempt at destroying the flood. So, this means a flood that is unable to communicate would not know what is going on halfway across the galaxy. Sure they could still infect things local to them, but their motivations would be different. They would most likely be unable to accomplish meaningful tasks that would help their species evolve or adapt. They would just infect.

In essence, stop communication, stop the flood.


The problem with this is Gravemind literally IS the Flood. He exists on a superior plane of consciousness that allows him to control a biological "body" such as the Flood. I'm not exaggerating when I say that trying to cut off the Gravemind from the Flood would effectively be the same exact thing as trying to cut your consciousness off from your physical body.

The only way to stop the Flood is quite literally to starve them to death. Nothing else works against them perminantly.

  • 03.21.2011 2:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Syn AngelFire
If radiation and biological attacks don't effect the flood or Gravemind, I say stop it from communicating.

The flood works by following instructions from its "central intelligence" or Gravemind. If you could isolate how the Gravemind communicates with its infections forms, then you could possibly stop the flood. With no communication, the infection forms would revert to baser instincts such as the drive for food (infecting anything and everything). But, with no ulterior motive, the flood would eventually hit a glass ceiling.

We know that the Gravemind doesn't just try to infect everything, because it tries to stop any attempt at destroying the flood. So, this means a flood that is unable to communicate would not know what is going on halfway across the galaxy. Sure they could still infect things local to them, but their motivations would be different. They would most likely be unable to accomplish meaningful tasks that would help their species evolve or adapt. They would just infect.

In essence, stop communication, stop the flood.


The problem with this is Gravemind literally IS the Flood. He exists on a superior plane of consciousness that allows him to control a biological "body" such as the Flood. I'm not exaggerating when I say that trying to cut off the Gravemind from the Flood would effectively be the same exact thing as trying to cut your consciousness off from your physical body.

The only way to stop the Flood is quite literally to starve them to death. Nothing else works against them perminantly.


True, killing the Gravemind will just make things slower, the flood will fall back into a feral state and begin to infect as much as they can, slowly forming a proto-Gravemind and then when enough mass has been achieved, a Gravemind will be made again.

  • 03.21.2011 2:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
True, killing the Gravemind will just make things slower, the flood will fall back into a feral state and begin to infect as much as they can, slowly forming a proto-Gravemind and then when enough mass has been achieved, a Gravemind will be made again.


Would that present an opportunity to launch an assault on the flood?

...are the forerunners mentally handicapped?

[Edited on 03.21.2011 2:16 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2011 2:16 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: Syn AngelFire

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
True, killing the Gravemind will just make things slower, the flood will fall back into a feral state and begin to infect as much as they can, slowly forming a proto-Gravemind and then when enough mass has been achieved, a Gravemind will be made again.


Would that present an opportunity to launch an assault on the flood?

...are the forerunners mentally handicapped?


They can still communicate, just not to the same extent.

  • 03.21.2011 2:20 PM PDT

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