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What do they mean?


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

They can still communicate, just not to the same extent.


So you're saying that thousands of years of culminated technology and experience can't fight simple evolution?

Maybe it's survival of the fittest. Perhaps the flood should 'win'. Although, if the flood consumed all life in the galaxy, they would:
1) Starve
2) Travel to other galaxies
3) Die and the galaxy evolution clock would be reset, allowing for new species to develop of millions of years.

[Edited on 03.21.2011 2:26 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2011 2:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: JJAB91

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You cannot destroy the flood, just stop it by starving it.

Humans did it.


How? When?


In Cryptum, we defeated an extremely primitive strain of the Flood, before it grew to its central intelligence that we know today. Our defeat of the primitive Flood is not that impressive.

@RKOSNAKE

The Halo Array doesn't use radiation, it uses a Neural Physics pulse. In all essentials, it wipes you from existence. Read Cryptum; Neural Physics is the concept of life and the universe are one.

It's a pulse of cross-phase supermassive neutrinos, to be precise. (Halo Cryptum, page 274)

[Edited on 03.21.2011 2:43 PM PDT]

  • 03.21.2011 2:43 PM PDT

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To the OP: When you think about the idea of the halo rings outside of the context, they do seem like a strange way to combat the flood. But I think it's a testament to Bungie's storytelling that they made it believable....

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Posted by: Ageless Durandal
The humans were able to defeat the Flood the first time because the last Precursor told them how to do it. They didn't "figure it out" on their own.

Where does it say that in Cryptum? We don't know what the Precursor said to the humans because it's never told. All we know is that it drove them mad and some of them killed themselves. The humans were of equal intelligence to the forerunners, if not more (though that is just an assumption I'm making) and there is no reason to think that they couldn't come up with a way to destroy the flood.

If I'm wrong, which I may very well be since I haven't read the book in a while, please quote the lines in which he does say that.

  • 03.21.2011 3:15 PM PDT

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What do they mean?


Posted by: Dj Liamo
To the OP: When you think about the idea of the halo rings outside of the context, they do seem like a strange way to combat the flood. But I think it's a testament to Bungie's storytelling that they made it believable....


Good point, but the OP is probably looking for a more scientifically 'believable' answer.

  • 03.21.2011 11:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: JJAB91

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You cannot destroy the flood, just stop it by starving it.

Humans did it.


How? When?

But they destroyed 2/3 of their entire species in the process

  • 03.21.2011 11:47 PM PDT

nope. They injected one third of their population with the anti-flood cell, and fed them to the flood. This caused the anti-flood to aggressively fight the flood super cells, forcing the flood to fall back and retreat, and they didn't reappear for another 9,000 years.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ashbot

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I don't understand why they put land, enviroments, and species on the Halo Array. It doesn't make sense and is pretty ironic.



Exactly one of the points I made. Good to see someone agrees.


It doesn't makes sense if you haven't read cryptum, and if you haven't read cryptum then you aren't updated.


The Originally the halo's were weapons that were to be used on planet and systems not the entire galaxy. They also had a dual purpose of keeping animals and planets from alien worlds safe for study before they could be sent to the ark.

The Ark had an accountable number of planet and animals species on it, in order to preserve them from the flood.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Cryptum is Canon, Same as Halowars

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Cryptum is Canon, Same as Halowars


pretty sure it isn't I will find proof


I am Pretty sure it is seeing how it's trademarked by 343 (which is microsoft, which owns halo) and seeing how greg bear was at comicon with 343 talking about the book last year.

It is canon, and the only time it won't be canon is on opposite day, (which isn't today).

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Posted by: ashbot

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
I don't understand why they put land, enviroments, and species on the Halo Array. It doesn't make sense and is pretty ironic.


Exactly one of the points I made. Good to see someone agrees.


It doesn't makes sense if you haven't read cryptum, and if you haven't read cryptum then you aren't updated.


The Originally the halo's were weapons that were to be used on planet and systems not the entire galaxy. They also had a dual purpose of keeping animals and planets from alien worlds safe for study before they could be sent to the ark.

The Ark had an accountable number of planet and animals species on it, in order to preserve them from the flood.
Something to remember is that cryptum isn't actually canon, it's the view and wild imagination of Greg Bear, bungie did not tell confirm it as canon.

Fix'd and Grey, I' pretty sure it's not canon, let me find proof



First of all Bungie dpesn't own Halo anymore.
Secondly you traumatized my brain with your post

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Posted by: ashbot

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
I don't understand why they put land, enviroments, and species on the Halo Array. It doesn't make sense and is pretty ironic.[/quote]

Exactly one of the points I made. Good to see someone agrees.[/quote]

It doesn't makes sense if you haven't read cryptum, and if you haven't read cryptum then you aren't updated.


The Originally the halo's were weapons that were to be used on planet and systems not the entire galaxy. They also had a dual purpose of keeping animals and planets from alien worlds safe for study before they could be sent to the ark.

The Ark had an accountable number of planet and animals species on it, in order to preserve them from the flood.[/quote]Something to remember is that cryptum isn't actually canon, it's the view and wild imagination of Greg Bear, bungie did not tell confirm it as canon.

Fix'd and Grey, I' pretty sure it's not canon, let me find proof

[/quote]

First of all Bungie dpesn't own Halo anymore.
Secondly you traumatized my brain with your post



Apologees, I need to tap out. It is canon. This means that 343i needs to have forerunners in the next halo.


It's okay
I expect The Forerunners in Halo 4
How about read Cryptum,it's awesome

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I always assumed that the flood came when the Forerunners were distracted or weakened.

Seeing the horror of the flood ,they knew they could not possibly fight without hosts. However ,the flood is...not right...their life structure is nothing like any other sentient species in the galaxy ,and Forerunners had no knowledge of them.

The flood must have spread so quickly and violently that the Rings were the only hope.

And the stuff growing around Halo is to stop the Guass turret from firing straight through it.(lol)

Nah ,millenia of neglect should be enough to grow a forest and harbour life.

  • 03.22.2011 11:02 AM PDT

Oh hey there

Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

An interesting discussion of the Halo Array from a while back you should read it it talks about the Pure forms and the ramifications of the Array's effects.

  • 03.22.2011 12:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: ashbot
The Forerunners had it all wrong, a weapon that kills all sentient things within three radii of the galaxy to starve the flood? No, not only that but then they put life on these rings, sure they need Forerunners to maintain the arrays but Fauna? Silly, they will be the first to die. They got it right with the Ark as a protective enclosure for all species worth saving, but they needn't have bothered with it, the way I see it there is a simple solution. There must be some biological uniqueness within the flood lifeforms, something different from all other species, but uniform in all of the flood; if not all, at least the Pure forms, the Pure forms make the top of the hierarchy, without them, the lower forms would have been in disarray and easy to deal with.

In short, the Forerunners should have designed the rings to target a certain biological aspect unique, to if not all, at least the Pure forms.


No, not all the installations or rings had life on them, and there was nothing that indicated that they all had life, save for installation 05 and 04.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: ashbot
The Forerunners had it all wrong, a weapon that kills all sentient things within three radii of the galaxy to starve the flood? No, not only that but then they put life on these rings, sure they need Forerunners to maintain the arrays but Fauna? Silly, they will be the first to die. They got it right with the Ark as a protective enclosure for all species worth saving, but they needn't have bothered with it, the way I see it there is a simple solution. There must be some biological uniqueness within the flood lifeforms, something different from all other species, but uniform in all of the flood; if not all, at least the Pure forms, the Pure forms make the top of the hierarchy, without them, the lower forms would have been in disarray and easy to deal with.

In short, the Forerunners should have designed the rings to target a certain biological aspect unique, to if not all, at least the Pure forms.


No, not all the installations or rings had life on them, and there was nothing that indicated that they all had life, save for installation 05 and 04.


During Forerunner times all the rings were used as zoos in a since to hold wildlife. When a ring reached it's max it was sent to the Ark to unload and then co find more life to preserve.

That was the dual purpose of the halo rings.

  • 03.22.2011 1:24 PM PDT


Posted by: ashbot

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I always assumed that the flood came when the Forerunners were distracted or weakened.

Seeing the horror of the flood ,they knew they could not possibly fight without hosts. However ,the flood is...not right...their life structure is nothing like any other sentient species in the galaxy ,and Forerunners had no knowledge of them.

The flood must have spread so quickly and violently that the Rings were the only hope.

And the stuff growing around Halo is to stop the Guass turret from firing straight through it.(lol)

Nah ,millenia of neglect should be enough to grow a forest and harbour life.


I'm afraid you are completely wrong...the forerunners knew full well of the flood, they attempted quarantine at first, they failed. It was then too late, they did study the flood. I'm simply theorising that there must have been something unique in the flood (there was, flood cells, as mentioned in Cryptum as the humans found a cure) so I don't see why the rings were made like that.


Its because, for some reason, its a little known fact that we defeated an exceptionally primitive strain of the Flood, not the kind the Forerunners fought, which was hundreds of times more dangerous.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: ashbot

Posted by: Poy Poy
I always assumed that the flood came when the Forerunners were distracted or weakened.

Seeing the horror of the flood ,they knew they could not possibly fight without hosts. However ,the flood is...not right...their life structure is nothing like any other sentient species in the galaxy ,and Forerunners had no knowledge of them.

The flood must have spread so quickly and violently that the Rings were the only hope.

And the stuff growing around Halo is to stop the Guass turret from firing straight through it.(lol)

Nah ,millenia of neglect should be enough to grow a forest and harbour life.


I'm afraid you are completely wrong...the forerunners knew full well of the flood, they attempted quarantine at first, they failed. It was then too late, they did study the flood. I'm simply theorising that there must have been something unique in the flood (there was, flood cells, as mentioned in Cryptum as the humans found a cure) so I don't see why the rings were made like that.


Its because, for some reason, its a little known fact that we defeated an exceptionally primitive strain of the Flood, not the kind the Forerunners fought, which was hundreds of times more dangerous.



I feel that the forerunner-flood war was more so becuase of Medicant Bias switching sides than anything else. Had he not Introduced the flood to the captive (or rejoined them) they wouldn't have been more deadly than they were in the past. Unless they were designed or released to fight the flood (which it seems like).

  • 03.22.2011 2:06 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
You cannot destroy the flood, just stop it by starving it.

Humans did it.


Cool.

Next time say spoilers, please.

  • 03.22.2011 3:04 PM PDT

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