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Posted by: HipiO7
Spartan's are usually better trained and have alot more experience than most Elite's.

Spartan's in actual canon are equal to Elite Ultra's. Spec Ops probably are even better than Spartan's.


From what I understand Elite Majors are equals to Spartan II commandos, so I think Ultra's and above would have less difficulty fighting a Spartan hand to hand.


Compare the Spartan II's kill/death ratio with Elites.

Yeah. Spartan's are equal to Ultra's, not Majors. I dont know who said that to begin with...


It's Major not ultra. IT was stated somewhere in canon but too old for me to bring off the top of my head.

Kill death ratios mean nothing in terms of physical strenght. Elites naturally have the strenght that spartans had to get from augmentations and brutal training.

Saying a SII equals an Ultra is like saying a monkey is equal to a gorilla.

Both a strong and far stronger than us, but clearly a gorilla would win.

Spartan IIs are equal to an elite major and i would have to say a young brute in raw physical strenght.

Stop being biased with your thoughts by tring to make them pure equals on every scale, because Spartans HAVE had trouble fighting elites in hand to hand combat that were of higher rank.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: HipiO7
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Posted by: HipiO7
Spartan's are usually better trained and have alot more experience than most Elite's.

Spartan's in actual canon are equal to Elite Ultra's. Spec Ops probably are even better than Spartan's.


From what I understand Elite Majors are equals to Spartan II commandos, so I think Ultra's and above would have less difficulty fighting a Spartan hand to hand.


Compare the Spartan II's kill/death ratio with Elites.

Yeah. Spartan's are equal to Ultra's, not Majors. I dont know who said that to begin with...


It's Major not ultra. IT was stated somewhere in canon but too old for me to bring off the top of my head.

Kill death ratios mean nothing in terms of physical strenght. Elites naturally have the strenght that spartans had to get from augmentations and brutal training.

Saying a SII equals an Ultra is like saying a monkey is equal to a gorilla.

Both a strong and far stronger than us, but clearly a gorilla would win.

Spartan IIs are equal to an elite major and i would have to say a young brute in raw physical strenght.

Stop being biased with your thoughts by tring to make them pure equals on every scale, because Spartans HAVE had trouble fighting elites in hand to hand combat that were of higher rank.


I think it was said by Joe Staten during Halo 2

  • 03.26.2011 6:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
Stop being biased with your thoughts by tring to make them pure equals on every scale, because Spartans HAVE had trouble fighting elites in hand to hand combat that were of higher rank.

The reason why people say that they are equal is because using 2 instances of Elites beating Spartans or a few instances of the same Spartans overpowering Elites is not evidence to say anything.

If you can provide evidence that the Elites on Ascendant Justice and the Elite on Gamma Station are the normal standard for Elites then do so now. Otherwise, stop using the division fallacy to justify your position.

The average species wide population has a weight nearly equal to that of the Spartans. They both receive augmenting from their armours and they can both struggle with each other.

On the subject of Majors being equal to Spartans, check the armour fact in the Encyclopaedia. They get more sophisticated armour as they progress in rank. Do we seriously think that getting the new title "Major" next to their names automatically makes them significantly stronger? So does that mean that if I get a PhD next to my name I am automatically Einstein? I am getting sick of people spreading fallacies in this forum. It has turned into a hive a pseudo-intellectualism.

  • 03.26.2011 10:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101
Stop being biased with your thoughts by tring to make them pure equals on every scale, because Spartans HAVE had trouble fighting elites in hand to hand combat that were of higher rank.

The reason why people say that they are equal is because using 2 instances of Elites beating Spartans or a few instances of the same Spartans overpowering Elites is not evidence to say anything.

If you can provide evidence that the Elites on Ascendant Justice and the Elite on Gamma Station are the normal standard for Elites then do so now. Otherwise, stop using the division fallacy to justify your position.

The average species wide population has a weight nearly equal to that of the Spartans. They both receive augmenting from their armours and they can both struggle with each other.

On the subject of Majors being equal to Spartans, check the armour fact in the Encyclopaedia. They get more sophisticated armour as they progress in rank. Do we seriously think that getting the new title "Major" next to their names automatically makes them significantly stronger? So does that mean that if I get a PhD next to my name I am automatically Einstein? I am getting sick of people spreading fallacies in this forum. It has turned into a hive a pseudo-intellectualism.


I Truly don't think you understand what i was posting if you think i was stating that to be the "normal" standard for anything as i never said or implied such. so atleast read before you make a post on how you are about how things have changed.
I haven't been using Gamma station as an Example because i don't clearly remember the encounter. Weren't the elites that went to the station jet pack elites? Seeing how they are lower in rank that might make the "normal standard" as you say lower than a major. It is even more clear that you came in this thread randomly ranting instead of reading with the post.

A private in the army isn't going to have the same skill, or intellect as a captain which is the same here. An Elite major is going to have more discipline and control over physical strength than a minor.Which is why it is said that a major would be equal to an SII in physical strength. I believe the ranking structure is based off how many kills the elite has and i vaguely remember that being stated in the Flood and Cole protocol.

Good luck getting a PhD if you can't even properly read a page.

  • 03.26.2011 11:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
I Truly don't think you understand what i was posting if you think i was stating that to be the "normal" standard for anything as i never said or implied such. so atleast read before you make a post on how you are about how things have changed.

I am addressing most of the entirety of this thread who have resorted to the things that I described. Read the thread and the context of what I said will fit quite nicely. The generalisations that I outlined are plainly at the heart of your own, and everybody else's, arguments.

Posted by: grey101
I haven't been using Gamma station as an Example because i don't clearly remember the encounter. Weren't the elites that went to the station jet pack elites? Seeing how they are lower in rank that might make the "normal standard" as you say lower than a major. It is even more clear that you came in this thread randomly ranting instead of reading with the post.

I have been following this thread since it started. I have a post on the first page. If there is going to be accusations of people not bothering to read posts or threads, then they will be directed at you for not knowing this. Secondly, I mentioned Gamma Station as it ties in to what I mentioned above. Also, Fallacy of Composition. You did it again.

In that encounter, the Elite was described as being one meter taller than John. John in Mjolnir is around 7 foot. 7 foot + 1 metre (3 foot) = 10 foot. That Elite was 10 foot. (Which is a bit ridiculous, but we know that Nylund has a tenancy to make up erratic numbers with the extremely low tonnage warships and the 11 ft tall Xytan Jar 'Wattinee.) That Elite clearly is not normal. Even if he was of normal height, you still could not prove to me that this Elite was within the normal parameters for their species strength and thus not anything like the Sangheili version of this guy, which is clearly again not normal.

Posted by: grey101
A private in the army isn't going to have the same skill, or intellect as a captain which is the same here. An Elite major is going to have more discipline and control over physical strength than a minor.Which is why it is said that a major would be equal to an SII in physical strength. I believe the ranking structure is based off how many kills the elite has and i vaguely remember that being stated in the Flood and Cole protocol.

A Private is an Army rank.
A Captain is a Naval rank.

They are 2 completely different roles with completely different types of training, just to clear that up.

If you are referring to an Army Captain, then I do not see how you can reason that a close quarters physical fight between a Private and an Army Captain would have any sort of definitive outcome based solely on two titles. This is completely irrelevant. "Skill and intellect" in a close quarters fight has got nothing to do with merit and promotion in the Human armed services.

As for the Sangheili, a Major will have more combat experience than a Minor, but I cannot see how they are going to be significantly stronger. They will better address each situation, but that is about it. Most of the kills committed by Sangheili are done through the use of guns. Anyone below an Ultra is forbidden to bear a Plasma sword. It does not require significant physical strength to blow somebodies brains out. Therefore I see no indication of significantly increased physical strength being a prerequisite of nor a result of attaining the rank of Major.

When Joe Staten stated that fact in his interview, immediately what comes to mind is that a Major is equal to a Spartan in tactics. The Major has enough experience to judge a situation appropriately like a Spartan does.

Posted by: grey101
Good luck getting a PhD if you can't even properly read a page.

Ad Hominen.

You have also ignored several facts I pointed out, and replaced their rebuttal with a typical childish personal attack such as this.

[Edited on 03.26.2011 1:22 PM PDT]

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In terms of strength, Spartans = Elites.
In terms of training Spartans =\= Elites

Both sides have different training regiments. Spartans have a very tactical nature. Elites are trained to out think their opponents.

Tactics plays a big role in a fight.

Forge Killed Kelly Ripa because Forge had better tactics. He tricked Kelly Ripa into getting close...then someone got shanked...twice

Those three Spartans were kicking the Elites in the Gluteus Maximus in the same cinematic. Those Elites were honor guards too...aren't they like...among the best the Elites can muster?

I try not to cite Halo legends too much, but I saw one part where John squared off against an Elite and almost lost.

It boils down to tactics me thinks.

[Edited on 03.26.2011 2:04 PM PDT]

  • 03.26.2011 2:03 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: grey101
I Truly don't think you understand what i was posting if you think i was stating that to be the "normal" standard for anything as i never said or implied such. so atleast read before you make a post on how you are about how things have changed.

I am addressing most of the entirety of this thread who have resorted to the things that I described. Read the thread and the context of what I said will fit quite nicely. The generalisations that I outlined are plainly at the heart of your own, and everybody else's, arguments.

Posted by: grey101
I haven't been using Gamma station as an Example because i don't clearly remember the encounter. Weren't the elites that went to the station jet pack elites? Seeing how they are lower in rank that might make the "normal standard" as you say lower than a major. It is even more clear that you came in this thread randomly ranting instead of reading with the post.

I have been following this thread since it started. I have a post on the first page. If there is going to be accusations of people not bothering to read posts or threads, then they will be directed at you for not knowing this. Secondly, I mentioned Gamma Station as it ties in to what I mentioned above. Also, Fallacy of Composition. You did it again.

In that encounter, the Elite was described as being one meter taller than John. John in Mjolnir is around 7 foot. 7 foot + 1 metre (3 foot) = 10 foot. That Elite was 10 foot. (Which is a bit ridiculous, but we know that Nylund has a tenancy to make up erratic numbers with the extremely low tonnage warships and the 11 ft tall Xytan Jar 'Wattinee.) That Elite clearly is not normal. Even if he was of normal height, you still could not prove to me that this Elite was within the normal parameters for their species strength and thus not anything like the Sangheili version of this guy, which is clearly again not normal.

Posted by: grey101
A private in the army isn't going to have the same skill, or intellect as a captain which is the same here. An Elite major is going to have more discipline and control over physical strength than a minor.Which is why it is said that a major would be equal to an SII in physical strength. I believe the ranking structure is based off how many kills the elite has and i vaguely remember that being stated in the Flood and Cole protocol.

A Private is an Army rank.
A Captain is a Naval rank.

They are 2 completely different roles with completely different types of training, just to clear that up.

If you are referring to an Army Captain, then I do not see how you can reason that a close quarters physical fight between a Private and an Army Captain would have any sort of definitive outcome based solely on two titles. This is completely irrelevant. "Skill and intellect" in a close quarters fight has got nothing to do with merit and promotion in the Human armed services.

As for the Sangheili, a Major will have more combat experience than a Minor, but I cannot see how they are going to be significantly stronger. They will better address each situation, but that is about it. Most of the kills committed by Sangheili are done through the use of guns. Anyone below an Ultra is forbidden to bear a Plasma sword. It does not require significant physical strength to blow somebodies brains out. Therefore I see no indication of significantly increased physical strength being a prerequisite of nor a result of attaining the rank of Major.

When Joe Staten stated that fact in his interview, immediately what comes to mind is that a Major is equal to a Spartan in tactics. The Major has enough experience to judge a situation appropriately like a Spartan does.

Posted by: grey101
Good luck getting a PhD if you can't even properly read a page.

Ad Hominen.

You have also ignored several facts I pointed out, and replaced their rebuttal with a typical childish personal attack such as this.


Where dose it say about a 10ft elite? Could be like another HW arbiter.

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Posted by: Alfdog
Where dose it say about a 10ft elite? Could be like another HW arbiter.

Page 313 in the original Fall of Reach.

It only took an instant for the image to fully register: a black film peeled away from the darkness. It was a meter taller than John and wore blue armour similar to that on Covenant warships.

  • 03.26.2011 3:22 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Alfdog
Where dose it say about a 10ft elite? Could be like another HW arbiter.

Page 313 in the original Fall of Reach.

It only took an instant for the image to fully register: a black film peeled away from the darkness. It was a meter taller than John and wore blue armour similar to that on Covenant warships.

OOOOOOOHHHHHH YEAH. Is this when they're making their way to chief on the space station?

  • 03.26.2011 4:46 PM PDT

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Alfdog
Where dose it say about a 10ft elite? Could be like another HW arbiter.

Page 313 in the original Fall of Reach.

It only took an instant for the image to fully register: a black film peeled away from the darkness. It was a meter taller than John and wore blue armour similar to that on Covenant warships.

Arguably though during that fight John had been constantly fighting for 4 days with no rest. He would not have been at his normal physical capabilities and his armor would definitely not have been functioning as well as it could have due to overuse and abuse.

  • 03.26.2011 4:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Alfdog
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Alfdog
Where dose it say about a 10ft elite? Could be like another HW arbiter.

Page 313 in the original Fall of Reach.

It only took an instant for the image to fully register: a black film peeled away from the darkness. It was a meter taller than John and wore blue armour similar to that on Covenant warships.

OOOOOOOHHHHHH YEAH. Is this when they're making their way to chief on the space station?

This takes place on Gamma Station where John, James and Linda are sent to destroy an unsecured NAV database on an ONI Prowler. That particular bit was when John was making his way to the Circumference.

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Arguably though during that fight John had been constantly fighting for 4 days with no rest. He would not have been at his normal physical capabilities and his armor would definitely not have been functioning as well as it could have due to overuse and abuse.

I think you are mixing up the Elite fight on Gamma with the Elite fight on the Ascendant Justice. This one is on Gamma. Prior to this the Chief had been preparing for Operation: RED FLAG. He would not have been fatigued here.

You may have a point for the Ascendant Justice fight though nonetheless.

  • 03.26.2011 5:17 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Alfdog
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Alfdog
Where dose it say about a 10ft elite? Could be like another HW arbiter.

Page 313 in the original Fall of Reach.

It only took an instant for the image to fully register: a black film peeled away from the darkness. It was a meter taller than John and wore blue armour similar to that on Covenant warships.

OOOOOOOHHHHHH YEAH. Is this when they're making their way to chief on the space station?

This takes place on Gamma Station where John, James and Linda are sent to destroy an unsecured NAV database on an ONI Prowler. That particular bit was when John was making his way to the Circumference.

Posted by: A mongooche
Arguably though during that fight John had been constantly fighting for 4 days with no rest. He would not have been at his normal physical capabilities and his armor would definitely not have been functioning as well as it could have due to overuse and abuse.

I think you are mixing up the Elite fight on Gamma with the Elite fight on the Ascendant Justice. This one is on Gamma. Prior to this the Chief had been preparing for Operation: RED FLAG. He would not have been fatigued here.

You may have a point for the Ascendant Justice fight though nonetheless.


No I think he's getting that mixed up with the encounter with the Brute.

  • 03.28.2011 4:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Naked Crook
In terms of strength, Spartans = Elites.
In terms of training Spartans =\= Elites

Both sides have different training regiments. Spartans have a very tactical nature. Elites are trained to out think their opponents.

Tactics plays a big role in a fight.

Forge Killed Kelly Ripa because Forge had better tactics. He tricked Kelly Ripa into getting close...then someone got shanked...twice

Those three Spartans were kicking the Elites in the Gluteus Maximus in the same cinematic. Those Elites were honor guards too...aren't they like...among the best the Elites can muster?

I try not to cite Halo legends too much, but I saw one part where John squared off against an Elite and almost lost.

It boils down to tactics me thinks.


Meh, Ripa got cocky with Forge in my opinion. Besides, the Honor Guard destruction was more for cinematics than anything else, I mean, those guys had no shields whatsoever, you can see it when the Spartans begin firing their SMGs, blood just spurts out instantly instead of the Shields taking the damage.

  • 03.28.2011 4:29 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Naked Crook
In terms of strength, Spartans = Elites.
In terms of training Spartans =\= Elites

Both sides have different training regiments. Spartans have a very tactical nature. Elites are trained to out think their opponents.

Tactics plays a big role in a fight.

Forge Killed Kelly Ripa because Forge had better tactics. He tricked Kelly Ripa into getting close...then someone got shanked...twice

Those three Spartans were kicking the Elites in the Gluteus Maximus in the same cinematic. Those Elites were honor guards too...aren't they like...among the best the Elites can muster?

I try not to cite Halo legends too much, but I saw one part where John squared off against an Elite and almost lost.

It boils down to tactics me thinks.


Meh, Ripa got cocky with Forge in my opinion. Besides, the Honor Guard destruction was more for cinematics than anything else, I mean, those guys had no shields whatsoever, you can see it when the Spartans begin firing their SMGs, blood just spurts out instantly instead of the Shields taking the damage.


Were those even Honor Guards? I didn't think they were because they weren't wearing the armor and stuff that the Honor Guards usually wear, they looked more like a bunch of Elite minors to me.

  • 03.28.2011 8:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Naked Crook
In terms of strength, Spartans = Elites.
In terms of training Spartans =\= Elites

Both sides have different training regiments. Spartans have a very tactical nature. Elites are trained to out think their opponents.

Tactics plays a big role in a fight.

Forge Killed Kelly Ripa because Forge had better tactics. He tricked Kelly Ripa into getting close...then someone got shanked...twice

Those three Spartans were kicking the Elites in the Gluteus Maximus in the same cinematic. Those Elites were honor guards too...aren't they like...among the best the Elites can muster?

I try not to cite Halo legends too much, but I saw one part where John squared off against an Elite and almost lost.

It boils down to tactics me thinks.


Meh, Ripa got cocky with Forge in my opinion. Besides, the Honor Guard destruction was more for cinematics than anything else, I mean, those guys had no shields whatsoever, you can see it when the Spartans begin firing their SMGs, blood just spurts out instantly instead of the Shields taking the damage.


Were those even Honor Guards? I didn't think they were because they weren't wearing the armor and stuff that the Honor Guards usually wear, they looked more like a bunch of Elite minors to me.


Well some levels before the Monsters cutscene there is one where Ripa and The Prophet of Regret are on the same walkway and there are two lines of Elites, one of each side holding spears and stuff, so I'd think they are, perhaps Honor Guard Minors?

Ahhh, here it is.

  • 03.28.2011 9:09 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Naked Crook
In terms of strength, Spartans = Elites.
In terms of training Spartans =\= Elites

Both sides have different training regiments. Spartans have a very tactical nature. Elites are trained to out think their opponents.

Tactics plays a big role in a fight.

Forge Killed Kelly Ripa because Forge had better tactics. He tricked Kelly Ripa into getting close...then someone got shanked...twice

Those three Spartans were kicking the Elites in the Gluteus Maximus in the same cinematic. Those Elites were honor guards too...aren't they like...among the best the Elites can muster?

I try not to cite Halo legends too much, but I saw one part where John squared off against an Elite and almost lost.

It boils down to tactics me thinks.


Meh, Ripa got cocky with Forge in my opinion. Besides, the Honor Guard destruction was more for cinematics than anything else, I mean, those guys had no shields whatsoever, you can see it when the Spartans begin firing their SMGs, blood just spurts out instantly instead of the Shields taking the damage.


Were those even Honor Guards? I didn't think they were because they weren't wearing the armor and stuff that the Honor Guards usually wear, they looked more like a bunch of Elite minors to me.


Well some levels before the Monsters cutscene there is one where Ripa and The Prophet of Regret are on the same walkway and there are two lines of Elites, one of each side holding spears and stuff, so I'd think they are, perhaps Honor Guard Minors?

Ahhh, here it is.


Perhaps, but I think that if they were Honor Guards they would have left with Regret and not stuck around. Even if they are Honor Guards, still wouldn't really explain why they weren't wearing the armor of the Honor Guards :/

  • 03.28.2011 9:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Naked Crook
In terms of strength, Spartans = Elites.
In terms of training Spartans =\= Elites

Both sides have different training regiments. Spartans have a very tactical nature. Elites are trained to out think their opponents.

Tactics plays a big role in a fight.

Forge Killed Kelly Ripa because Forge had better tactics. He tricked Kelly Ripa into getting close...then someone got shanked...twice

Those three Spartans were kicking the Elites in the Gluteus Maximus in the same cinematic. Those Elites were honor guards too...aren't they like...among the best the Elites can muster?

I try not to cite Halo legends too much, but I saw one part where John squared off against an Elite and almost lost.

It boils down to tactics me thinks.


Meh, Ripa got cocky with Forge in my opinion. Besides, the Honor Guard destruction was more for cinematics than anything else, I mean, those guys had no shields whatsoever, you can see it when the Spartans begin firing their SMGs, blood just spurts out instantly instead of the Shields taking the damage.


Were those even Honor Guards? I didn't think they were because they weren't wearing the armor and stuff that the Honor Guards usually wear, they looked more like a bunch of Elite minors to me.


Well some levels before the Monsters cutscene there is one where Ripa and The Prophet of Regret are on the same walkway and there are two lines of Elites, one of each side holding spears and stuff, so I'd think they are, perhaps Honor Guard Minors?

Ahhh, here it is.


Perhaps, but I think that if they were Honor Guards they would have left with Regret and not stuck around. Even if they are Honor Guards, still wouldn't really explain why they weren't wearing the armor of the Honor Guards :/


Maybe it was laundry day xD

  • 03.28.2011 9:24 PM PDT


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Posted by: jonesy90000
I wuld like to point out that we can;t say that the elite on gamma station was the typical elite... For all we know, He could of been above average strength.



For all we know those other elites that were killed by spartans are below average


My point! We can't say Elites or Spartans are better because it comes down to each individuel. For Instance, I think a Elite would be suprised how strong Sam was.

[Edited on 03.29.2011 12:03 AM PDT]

  • 03.28.2011 11:59 PM PDT

Also a 10ft Elite is not normal , Elites average 8'6 a 10 ft Elite is the equivilent of a a 7ft Human man in terms of size ( In ratio of human average height). Now tell me that a 6f man is just as strong as the 7ft man , its not gonna happen unless the 6ft man trains like crazy. now if John could equal a giant freak Elite I'm sure thats why normal Elites get killed alot by Spartans. Training of Spartans does help but Sangheili also have good training. Also half of a Spartans strength(MJOLNIR) is mechanized so maybe Spartans tire less quickly.

[Edited on 03.30.2011 12:28 PM PDT]

  • 03.30.2011 12:28 PM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.

False. Even the most formidable Spartans, the Spartan II, were equally matched to an Elite in every way. This is stated several times throughout various Halo products.

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Posted by: OrderedComa
Were those even Honor Guards? I didn't think they were because they weren't wearing the armor and stuff that the Honor Guards usually wear, they looked more like a bunch of Elite minors to me.


That is a good question.

They MAY not have been. They did kinda look like minors. But they had like...spears (I guess) and they kinda acted like honor guards, seeing as they always hung around Regret.

You may be right, they could have been a bunch of minors. I always just assumed they were honor guards...going under the assumption their gear and look might of changed between 2531 and 2552.

If they are minors, I guess that only weakens my point.

Yeah...and those "honor guards" SHOULD have had shields. I never noticed that at first, but now that it was mentioned....I think twice about that. Perhaps the CGI people got lazy...

But I stick to my original ideas irregardless: They might be equally as strong in general, but whoever is better trained will emerge the winner...in a fight between Spartans and Elites.

[Edited on 03.30.2011 2:11 PM PDT]

  • 03.30.2011 2:10 PM PDT


Posted by: Naked Crook
Posted by: OrderedComa
Were those even Honor Guards? I didn't think they were because they weren't wearing the armor and stuff that the Honor Guards usually wear, they looked more like a bunch of Elite minors to me.


That is a good question.

They MAY not have been. They did kinda look like minors. But they had like...spears (I guess) and they kinda acted like honor guards, seeing as they always hung around Regret.

You may be right, they could have been a bunch of minors. I always just assumed they were honor guards...going under the assumption their gear and look might of changed between 2531 and 2552.

If they are minors, I guess that only weakens my point.

Yeah...and those "honor guards" SHOULD have had shields. I never noticed that at first, but now that it was mentioned....I think twice about that. Perhaps the CGI people got lazy...

But I stick to my original ideas irregardless: They might be equally as strong in general, but whoever is better trained will emerge the winner...in a fight between Spartans and Elites.


I'm just mark it up to an unknown, part of what makes me question whether those were Honor Guards or not was, if Regret had left by the time Forge and the Spartans got there, why would the Honor Guards still be there? usually they stick pretty close to the Prophet.

Maybe the designers thought neither side had shields at first :P That's unlikely though.

I agree with that last bit, though I don't think training between Elites or Spartans would be all that different in intensity, but training would certainly play a part in who would win a fight, though it wouldn't necessarily be the determining factor.

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