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and if you read halo first strike, brute forces did stay behind to pillage earth. And the ships excavating in antarctica and africa?

  • 03.22.2011 10:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: SFX4013
and if you read halo first strike, brute forces did stay behind to pillage earth. And the ships excavating in antarctica and africa?


If you read First Strike, you'd have known that those events hadn't even happened yet. Ghosts of Onyx from the POV of Blue Team is when they're in Cuba where they mentioned Ross Island, which happened late in October when the Jiralhanae replaced the Sangheili as the Honour Guard, so it was long after Regret had fled Earth and long after the mission to capture Vergil was complete.

  • 03.22.2011 11:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: SFX4013
it does make sense AJ. If covenant forces spot a high value target (a spartan) theyll send everything they got and compromise the mission. Think strategically, christ.


Are you absolutely retarded? Yes, let's all dedicate all our forces to take down 1 Spartan when we could look at the larger strategic picture and go activate the Halo we just discovered, that's obviously strategic thinking... -_-

  • 03.22.2011 11:21 AM PDT

Spartans are a lot taller than ODST's also, Rookie's Initials are J.D

  • 03.22.2011 11:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: SFX4013
Or maybe (less likely) he simply went into Armor Lock?

Uhh no. He would have been vaporised instantly. That is Hiroshima in that little football sized bomb he was carrying.

  • 03.22.2011 12:03 PM PDT

oh Aj. If you were a true fan, you'd know that the slipspace crystal in first strike caused september and october to overlap so ODST and halo 3 took place concurrently. ive noticed you always have something to say on almost every thread (usually negative)--and it seems you just argue to make yourself feel like you matter; otherwise your socially invisible. I feel sorry for you because this site is the most human interaction your ever going to get. I'll let you have it. SFX4013 out.

  • 03.22.2011 2:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

The Spires acted as teleporters linking them to a Super Carrier.

The vessel in the video was a Cruiser, so that debunks your theory. I higly doubt CCS class Battle Cruisers have teleporters linked to them.

  • 03.22.2011 3:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: SFX4013
oh Aj. If you were a true fan, you'd know that the slipspace crystal in first strike caused september and october to overlap so ODST and halo 3 took place concurrently. ive noticed you always have something to say on almost every thread (usually negative)--and it seems you just argue to make yourself feel like you matter; otherwise your socially invisible. I feel sorry for you because this site is the most human interaction your ever going to get. I'll let you have it. SFX4013 out.


Oho, this is an amusing one, and grows ever more deluded. Yes, of course I have absolutely no interaction with the outside world beyond this website, I come here to make myself feel better.

In fact, one day someone will show me as an exhibit here: "This is ajw34307, our ninety-two year old Bungie.net member. Remarkably, AJ has become completely and utterly desiccated, apart from the tiny muscles that operate his rusty keyboard."

Aside from your arrogance regarding my life, of which you haven't the faintest clue about, let's go over what you've said here. No, the Slipspace Crystal did not cause September and October to overlap resulting in ODST and Halo 3 to occur simultaneously, Halsey estimated there was about 3 weeks that had passed from the time Reach fell (August 30th), so that puts us in mid/late September just after Installation 04 was destroyed.

I'm so glad to know I'll never have much human interaction, you know. I'll just sit here for the rest of eternity wondering if the rest of humanity are complete tossers like you.

  • 03.22.2011 3:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: SFX4013
oh Aj. If you were a true fan, you'd know that the slipspace crystal in first strike caused september and october to overlap so ODST and halo 3 took place concurrently. ive noticed you always have something to say on almost every thread (usually negative)--and it seems you just argue to make yourself feel like you matter; otherwise your socially invisible. I feel sorry for you because this site is the most human interaction your ever going to get. I'll let you have it. SFX4013 out.


Oho, this is an amusing one, and grows ever more deluded. Yes, of course I have absolutely no interaction with the outside world beyond this website, I come here to make myself feel better.

In fact, one day someone will show me as an exhibit here: "This is ajw34307, our ninety-two year old Bungie.net member. Remarkably, AJ has become completely and utterly desiccated, apart from the tiny muscles that operate his rusty keyboard."

Aside from your arrogance regarding my life, of which you haven't the faintest clue about, let's go over what you've said here. No, the Slipspace Crystal did not cause September and October to overlap resulting in ODST and Halo 3 to occur simultaneously, Halsey estimated there was about 3 weeks that had passed from the time Reach fell (August 30th), so that puts us in mid/late September just after Installation 04 was destroyed.

I'm so glad to know I'll never have much human interaction, you know. I'll just sit here for the rest of eternity wondering if the rest of humanity are complete tossers like you.


SFX. Stop, just stop. You are never going to win against AJ. He is one of the best members in this forum with alot of knowledge about all this, dont even try to out-argue him. He knows what's what.

  • 03.22.2011 3:16 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Listen to HipiO7, he knows things.

  • 03.22.2011 3:18 PM PDT
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don't mention rookie, cuz that would mean that all the other ODSTs of his squads are secretly spartans too, since they can jack wraiths, ghosts, flip vehicles, etc. It's all for gameplay purposes, and never put gameplay and canon in the same context.

  • 03.22.2011 3:21 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: Richomack360
People really do have problems letting go of characters claiming they are alive....firstly we had Jorge, Noble 6 then Johnson, now Thom.

All their deaths were shown on screen.....this is nothing like Elvis.


For all intents and purposes, yeah, Jorge is dead, but it is highly likely that he could be brought back if 343 felt like bringing him back. All he did was fire up a randomized Slipspace vector, there's at least a 50% chance of survival, but unless 343/Bungie actually says otherwise, he is indeed dead. Though that won't stop fanfic writers who need an interesting idea (hehe, myself included).


No way at all Jorge could have survived. Even if he managed to live through entry, there's no oxygen in slipspace and MJOLNIR Mark V only has 90 minutes of oxygen reserves. Plus the fact that slipspace drives require constant maintainence, and they're certainly not designed to be used as makeshift bombs.

Also, the Ardent Prayer would no longer exist as the blast's epicenter was inside the ship (when it is supposed to be in front of the bow).


The Corvette would have oxygen, it's not like a ship automatically depressurizes or something when it goes into Slipspace. We've never seen the end results of a slipspace drive working like it did in Reach. Actually I think the Ardent Prayer would still be perfectly in tact, or mostly, I don't know if the Super Carrier debris would crash into it while in Slipspace or anything, but it should still be perfectly in tact from the transition.

How do you mean that they "need constant maintenance"? You don't need to mess with it at all except to get out, I don't even know if you need to do that. But you don't need to do any tweaks or anything to get out, why would you need to, and what source says that it has to be done?

If the Ardent Prayer wouldn't survive the way it transitioned, then no ship would, they always go through it a bit at a time, the only difference between the Ardent Prayer and any normal usage of a Slipsapce drive is that the portal was opened inside the ship instead of outside. I don't see why having it inside would make such a huge difference.

I don't really believe that Jorge is alive, but there is enough of a random chance that he could easily be brought back without creating some ultra lame excuse.

  • 03.22.2011 3:45 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: Richomack360
People really do have problems letting go of characters claiming they are alive....firstly we had Jorge, Noble 6 then Johnson, now Thom.

All their deaths were shown on screen.....this is nothing like Elvis.[/quote]

For all intents and purposes, yeah, Jorge is dead, but it is highly likely that he could be brought back if 343 felt like bringing him back. All he did was fire up a randomized Slipspace vector, there's at least a 50% chance of survival, but unless 343/Bungie actually says otherwise, he is indeed dead. Though that won't stop fanfic writers who need an interesting idea (hehe, myself included).


No way at all Jorge could have survived. Even if he managed to live through entry, there's no oxygen in slipspace and MJOLNIR Mark V only has 90 minutes of oxygen reserves. Plus the fact that slipspace drives require constant maintainence, and they're certainly not designed to be used as makeshift bombs.

Also, the Ardent Prayer would no longer exist as the blast's epicenter was inside the ship (when it is supposed to be in front of the bow).


The Corvette would have oxygen, it's not like a ship automatically depressurizes or something when it goes into Slipspace. We've never seen the end results of a slipspace drive working like it did in Reach. Actually I think the Ardent Prayer would still be perfectly in tact, or mostly, I don't know if the Super Carrier debris would crash into it while in Slipspace or anything, but it should still be perfectly in tact from the transition.


The whole theory here seems to hinge on whether the Ardent Prayer manages to survive entry. I for one, do not believe it did, since slipspace is essentially ripping a hole in space the portal is going to expand from within the Corvette and envelop it. If this is true, there would be no more Ardent Prayer, therefore no more oxygen, as a result no more Jorge.

How do you mean that they "need constant maintenance"? You don't need to mess with it at all except to get out, I don't even know if you need to do that. But you don't need to do any tweaks or anything to get out, why would you need to, and what source says that it has to be done?

If the Ardent Prayer wouldn't survive the way it transitioned, then no ship would, they always go through it a bit at a time, the only difference between the Ardent Prayer and any normal usage of a Slipsapce drive is that the portal was opened inside the ship instead of outside. I don't see why having it inside would make such a huge difference.


I recall the information from Contact Harvest and Ghosts of Onyx. Were a slipspace drive to be improperly mounted it can cause all kinds of disasters (like Kat mentions about the incident at Cygnus). A slipspace drive not properly used creates "splinters" in normal space, eventually consuming the drive and the entire ship which the drive was placed on (which is what happened at Cygnus and is what Kat intended to recrate).

I don't really believe that Jorge is alive, but there is enough of a random chance that he could easily be brought back without creating some ultra lame excuse.

Methinks the developers will have the sense to leave him alone, the whole purpose of his character (and for that matter, all of Noble Team) was that they sacrifice themselves for Reach. Having some twist where they survive would completely disregard the point of this particular theme.

  • 03.22.2011 4:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: SFX4013
In Data Hive, right after you find Dare, she asks, "You're not really a Rookie are you?" If he's not special somehow, why would Section-III go through great lengths to insert a special opeartive in an ODST unit. I'll tell you, ONI knew the true scope of the mission's vitality to the war so put in an undercover Spartan so as to not attract attention from the Covenant. Also, Vergil seemed to be drawn to and trust the Rookie.


1)Thats because he's not a rookie. Technically no ODST is since
they had to have been in another special ops unit before signing up for ODST training.

2)Of course ONI knew how vital the mission was. That why Dare was there in the first place. The rookie was only there because his last squad was killed. Dare only chose them because Buck was leading them.

3)Undercover spartans? In the 20+ years of spartans service they've never been shy about going on missions in their armor. Also the spartans are elite special forces operators. If they let an enemy see them then live to report it they don't deserve to be called spartans.

  • 03.22.2011 4:05 PM PDT

Posted by: ajq34307
I recall the information from Contact Harvest and Ghosts of Onyx. Were a slipspace drive to be improperly mounted it can cause all kinds of disasters (like Kat mentions about the incident at Cygnus). A slipspace drive not properly used creates "splinters" in normal space, eventually consuming the drive and the entire ship which the drive was placed on (which is what happened at Cygnus and is what Kat intended to recrate).


I don't remember Harvest really giving much information/rules about Slipspace travel. And whatever it talked about for Halsey's travel through Slipspace (I assume that is what you are talking about when you mentioned GoO) would only apply to what she needed to do to keep the antiquated Chiroptera piece of junk operating and on track.

Well that's not exactly right, it would depend on how the drive was mounted I think, or have some other sort of variables, as the incident Kat was referring to the drive malfunction encompassed only half the ship.

Methinks the developers will have the sense to leave him alone, the whole purpose of his character (and for that matter, all of Noble Team) was that they sacrifice themselves for Reach. Having some twist where they survive would completely disregard the point of this particular theme.

Yeah, I don't think they will bring Jorge back, but his survival is still very possible, imo. It's the same scenario as with Chief at the end of Halo 3, except Jorge doesn't have an AI with him or cryo pod.

  • 03.22.2011 6:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
Yeah, I don't think they will bring Jorge back, but his survival is still very possible, imo. It's the same scenario as with Chief at the end of Halo 3, except Jorge doesn't have an AI with him or cryo pod.

So, its not the same at all?

Jorge is dead. They made an improvised bomb. A BOMB!. As in destruction, not transportation. Yes, a slipspace drive used in the correct manner will move a ship into slipspace. But if not, it will destroy the ship and everything else around it in the process of the transition i.e Jorge.

  • 03.22.2011 7:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: OrderedComa
Yeah, I don't think they will bring Jorge back, but his survival is still very possible, imo. It's the same scenario as with Chief at the end of Halo 3, except Jorge doesn't have an AI with him or cryo pod.

So, its not the same at all?

Jorge is dead. They made an improvised bomb. A BOMB!. As in destruction, not transportation. Yes, a slipspace drive used in the correct manner will move a ship into slipspace. But if not, it will destroy the ship and everything else around it in the process of the transition i.e Jorge.


So, they are Terrorists? Cause y'know a bomb and a ship and destruction....

  • 03.22.2011 8:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
Yeah, I don't think they will bring Jorge back, but his survival is still very possible, imo. It's the same scenario as with Chief at the end of Halo 3, except Jorge doesn't have an AI with him or cryo pod.

So, its not the same at all?

Jorge is dead. They made an improvised bomb. A BOMB!. As in destruction, not transportation. Yes, a slipspace drive used in the correct manner will move a ship into slipspace. But if not, it will destroy the ship and everything else around it in the process of the transition i.e Jorge.


So, they are Terrorists? Cause y'know a bomb and a ship and destruction....

Hilarious. Simply hilarious.

  • 03.22.2011 8:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: OrderedComa
Yeah, I don't think they will bring Jorge back, but his survival is still very possible, imo. It's the same scenario as with Chief at the end of Halo 3, except Jorge doesn't have an AI with him or cryo pod.

So, its not the same at all?

Jorge is dead. They made an improvised bomb. A BOMB!. As in destruction, not transportation. Yes, a slipspace drive used in the correct manner will move a ship into slipspace. But if not, it will destroy the ship and everything else around it in the process of the transition i.e Jorge.


So, they are Terrorists? Cause y'know a bomb and a ship and destruction....

Hilarious. Simply hilarious.

Thank you good sir, some laughs are always good for everybody.

  • 03.22.2011 8:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: SFX4013
it does make sense AJ. If covenant forces spot a high value target (a spartan) theyll send everything they got and compromise the mission. Think strategically, christ.
Posted by: SFX4013
oh Aj. If you were a true fan, you'd know that the slipspace crystal in first strike caused september and october to overlap so ODST and halo 3 took place concurrently. ive noticed you always have something to say on almost every thread (usually negative)--and it seems you just argue to make yourself feel like you matter; otherwise your socially invisible. I feel sorry for you because this site is the most human interaction your ever going to get. I'll let you have it. SFX4013 out.
What are these, I don't even...

Seriously, neither of these claims make any sense.

"Compromising the mission" is not "thinking strategically". In fact, it's the polar opposite.
On top of that, a Spartan is not a high-value target to the Covenant: more of a very capable inconvenience.

And how on Earth could ODST and Halo 3 take place concurrently?
ODST takes place on the night of October 20th, 2552.
Master Chief did not land back on Earth until more than a month later. Besides, even if September and October did overlap, ODST and Halo 3 would still not take place concurrently.

What you are trying to say is that the Crystal somehow sent Master Chief back in time to Halo 2, while performing the actions of Halo 3...?
And you say only "true fans" know this?
Go to rehab, dude.

Also, you are a dick. Sorry that he has an opinion against yours, and people of of a similar mindset to you, because God forbid anyone does not subscribe to your absolute gibberish.

  • 03.22.2011 10:24 PM PDT

All he did was fire up a randomized Slipspace vector, there's at least a 50% chance of survival

Oh, joy. Please astound me with your acumen. What, pray tell, complex mathematics did you compile to come to this conclusion?

I'm very curious how, in the void of galactic space and transitioning randomly, he has a 1 in 2 chance (at the least, folks!) of landing on something with oxygen that won't kill him in the impact?

Assuming he ever transitions out of slipspace, and hasn't been driven insane.

Hmm?

  • 03.23.2011 1:40 AM PDT

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All he did was fire up a randomized Slipspace vector, there's at least a 50% chance of survival

Oh, joy. Please astound me with your acumen. What, pray tell, complex mathematics did you compile to come to this conclusion?

I'm very curious how, in the void of galactic space and transitioning randomly, he has a 1 in 2 chance (at the least, folks!) of landing on something with oxygen that won't kill him in the impact?

Assuming he ever transitions out of slipspace, and hasn't been driven insane.

Hmm?


Don't forget the innumerable amounts of radiation involved in slipspace traveling / the engine's usage.

  • 03.23.2011 2:29 AM PDT

Death wil come to all of us, it is what makes us human

If thom destroyed a cruiser, why where they surprized when they saw the covie on reach??

  • 03.23.2011 5:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: SFX4013
Plus the Rookie can jack occupied Covenant vehicles and kill Brutes with Melee attacks; no ordinary human could do that no matter how tough they are.


Well, when you play as Dutch, Buck and Mickey you're able to do that too.

  • 03.23.2011 5:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pandab13r
If thom destroyed a cruiser, why where they surprized when they saw the covie on reach??


u srs?

Perhaps because The Covenant had destroyed every single human colony that they've found during the war, Humans were severely outnumbered and with inferior technology so it's just logic to think that they'd be crapping their pants when a Supercarrier along with four corvettes decided to show up at Reach to say hi.

  • 03.23.2011 10:20 AM PDT

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