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Subject: Which should I get?
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Lol, DusK, you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm saying the average encounter is slower. I know that with the mechanics and if you know how to lead correctly the kill-times are faster than any other Halo. The spectrum is much larger than in any other Halo which makes for a much larger skill gap. I'm not going by the most skilled kill times, I'm going by the average. I used to get 3 shot kills with the pistol constantly, but, the average person doesn't. The average person is stuck in a firefight for a good while before the other dies.

[Edited on 03.25.2011 3:15 PM PDT]

  • 03.25.2011 3:14 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.


Posted by: Dr Syx
Lol, DusK, you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm saying the average encounter is slower.

Ah, I see. So the slowdown that bad players experience by constantly missing their shots makes it a slower-paced game, despite the fact that the pistol takes less than a second to kill someone when used by a competent player, the movement speed is faster, the jumps aren't as floaty...

Ben, you're garbage, and incredibly stupid to boot. We've already established this a while ago, so I'm glad you're shutting up. :)

  • 03.25.2011 3:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dr Syx
Lol, DusK, you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm saying the average encounter is slower.

Ah, I see. So the slowdown that bad players experience by constantly missing their shots makes it a slower-paced game, despite the fact that the pistol takes less than a second to kill someone when used by a competent player, the movement speed is faster, the jumps aren't as floaty...
What I'm saying is that the average player can't get a 3 shot kill so the average experience doesn't call for 1 second kills. Also, the movement speed isn't as fast as Halo 2/3 I don't believe. I might be wrong about that.

Anyways, to wrap up what I'm trying to say is that you shouldn't judge the average of a game by the best players. You should judge it by the average players.

  • 03.25.2011 3:58 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.


Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: DusK

Posted by: Dr Syx
Lol, DusK, you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm saying the average encounter is slower.

Ah, I see. So the slowdown that bad players experience by constantly missing their shots makes it a slower-paced game, despite the fact that the pistol takes less than a second to kill someone when used by a competent player, the movement speed is faster, the jumps aren't as floaty...
What I'm saying is that the average player can't get a 3 shot kill so the average experience doesn't call for 1 second kills. Also, the movement speed isn't as fast as Halo 2/3 I don't believe. I might be wrong about that.

Anyways, to wrap up what I'm trying to say is that you shouldn't judge the average of a game by the best players. You should judge it by the average players.

I guess you do have a point there. Whenever I play, I usually play with those of extremely high skill, which makes for a game experience almost as fast-paced as UT. Thing is, though, even the best H2/3/Reach match with players of that caliber couldn't offer that kind of fast-paced gameplay. So I guess it would be accurate to say that although the average pacing of HPC is slower when you factor in the entire player base, putting a bunch of highly-skilled players together creates a gameplay environment more fast-paced than anything you could get in H2/H3/Reach, even with the best players of those games.

And the movement speed is slower in H2. I'll see if I can find the video.

  • 03.25.2011 4:34 PM PDT
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Yeah, I've played with high-skilled people back when I was getting 3 shot kills. (Xbox LIVE has softened me) The pace was definitely much faster like you said.

Yeah, I wasn't too sure if Halo 2/3 were faster or not. It's always felt that way to me. Halo 1's movement speed always felt slower to me. Might have been the FoV.

  • 03.25.2011 4:47 PM PDT

Halo 3

Sorry I Mean I still can't believe this debate is still going on.
Here's a simple montage of a pro player in Halo 2. I also attempted to find the best "montage" of kills for CE.


Halo2


Halo CE

If you can find a better video of halo: CE pwnage, please do so and post it on these forums.

And yes I can understand it was a bit of bias selection. But really, it's quite obvious. >.> I mean hell considering you (dusk) are supposed to be a pro n' all, we had pretty damn long skirmishes with the pistol for each death I had.


[Edited on 03.25.2011 7:46 PM PDT]

  • 03.25.2011 6:46 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.


Posted by: Ben2974
Sorry I Mean I still can't believe this debate is still going on.
Here's a simple montage of a pro player in Halo 2. I also attempted to find the best "montage" of kills for CE.


Halo2


Halo CE

If you can find a better video of halo: CE pwnage, please do so and post it on these forums.

And yes I can understand it was a bit of bias selection. But really, it's quite obvious. >.> I mean hell considering you (dusk) are supposed to be a pro n' all, we had pretty damn long skirmishes with the pistol for each death I had.

Montages are a terrible choice if you're trying to prove that the pacing of H2 is faster than CE's. They don't focus on the gameplay as a whole.

I didn't know my new Naga would be as sensitive in that game as it was, so it was a little hard to adjust. You were still easy as hell, though.

  • 03.25.2011 10:20 PM PDT

Halo 3

"They don't focus on the gameplay as a whole."
LMAO. Some shi77y excuse. What? You want some Campaign in there? Some basic facts about Halo 2? Ok. Well here's one: You can dual-wield weapons.
You run faster. Maps are generally more compact, etc. Everything that happens, happens quicker in Halo 2. I already gave you proof too. You should send me some links to compare Halo 1 and 2's campaigns to try and prove me wrong about which is faster-paced... so I can make you look like an @ss again.

Your new naga? Please, gtfo.


[Edited on 03.28.2011 6:23 PM PDT]

  • 03.28.2011 6:22 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.


Posted by: Ben2974
Some basic facts about Halo 2? Ok. Well here's one: You can dual-wield weapons.

Correct. So?

Posted by: Ben2974
You run faster.

False. The movement speed was slowed for H2 from CE.

Posted by: Ben2974
Maps are generally more compact, etc. Everything that happens, happens quicker in Halo 2. I already gave you proof too. You should send me some links to compare Halo 1 and 2's campaigns to try and prove me wrong about which is faster-paced... so I can make you look like an @ss again.

The only person you're making look like an ass here is yourself. You have next to no experience with HCE, as evidenced by your hilarious defeat. I've played both. HCE plays faster when you play with the big boys.

Posted by: Ben2974
Your new naga? Please, gtfo.

Sorry, did I use a term your not familiar with, console kiddie?

  • 03.28.2011 8:50 PM PDT

Halo 3

So.

1. Dual-wielding is an example faster-paced action.
2. No. In Halo 2 you run faster
3. Again, using the 1v1 CE skirmish we had as your dumb excuse/argument. It's no wonder you think you know everything. You don't have to be pro to know CE basics
4. I don't see links for CE, yet. The big boys got overkills+ in that H2 montage in less than 3 seconds.
5. You did, actually. I had no clue wtf a Naga was until i googled it. Point being is that I'm tired of reading noobish excuses/arguments.

  • 03.28.2011 9:14 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.


Posted by: Ben2974
1. Dual-wielding is an example faster-paced action.

You could triple wield and it'll still have nothing on CE. More guns =/= faster gamepplay. That's freakin' stupid.

Posted by: Ben2974
2. No. In Halo 2 you run faster

This has already been tested using flags as distance indicators and a stopwatch. The end result showed that the movement speed was faster in CE. And I honestly wish the video was easier to find so I could post it shut your dumb ass up about it. Hell, if I still had H2, I would have recorded it myself by now.

Posted by: Ben2974
3. Again, using the 1v1 CE skirmish we had as your dumb excuse/argument. It's no wonder you think you know everything. You don't have to be pro to know CE basics

You're right. But you don't even know the CE basics. So you've got no say.

Posted by: Ben2974
4. I don't see links for CE, yet. The big boys got overkills+ in that H2 montage in less than 3 seconds.

Look up Benja. That dude would rock Walshy. No joke.

Posted by: Ben2974
5. You did, actually. I had no clue wtf a Naga was until i googled it. Point being is that I'm tired of reading noobish excuses/arguments.

You calling me a noob is like Rosie O'Donnell calling Kristen Stewart a fatass.

  • 03.28.2011 9:19 PM PDT

Halo 3

1. Ok it's stupid. But it's the truth.
Note: "Faster-paced" is not only in regards to kill time.
2. I remain confident in that H2 run speed > CE run speed until I see proof
3. More assumptions, as usual.
4. Not only can I call you a noob now (at flaming), but I can also call you a moron. I didn't call YOU a noob. I said that your EXCUSES/ARGUMENTS are noobish.
5. Googled/youtube'd Benja/Benja Halo/Benja Halo 2. Only found music from Breaking Benjamin and some other random stuff.

  • 03.28.2011 9:34 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.


Posted by: Ben2974
1. Ok it's stupid. But it's the truth.
Note: "Faster-paced" is not only in regards to kill time.

So running around and getting more weapons makes the game faster paced. I see.

Posted by: Ben2974
2. I remain confident in that H2 run speed > CE run speed until I see proof

Suit yourself. It won't make it any more or less true.

Posted by: Ben2974
3. More assumptions, as usual.

No assumptions here. I watched you play. You're garbage, and have absolutely no clue how to play HCE.

Posted by: Ben2974
4. Not only can I call you a noob now (at flaming), but I can also call you a moron. I didn't call YOU a noob. I said that your EXCUSES/ARGUMENTS are noobish.

Why? So far, all I've put forth is logical reasoning that torches every argument you've put forward. All you've done is show ignorance in regards to both PC and FPS gaming, laughable insinuated that you're making me look like an ass, and told me to gtfo just because I knew something about PC gaming that you didn't.

Posted by: Ben2974
5. Googled/youtube'd Benja/Benja Halo/Benja Halo 2. Only found music from Breaking Benjamin and some other random stuff

So you don't know how to use Google apparently, as the search term "benja halo" puts two of his montages on the first results page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzAEj5NuvLI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exmVxxFTAzI

  • 03.28.2011 9:44 PM PDT

This flamewar is getting lulzy. XD!

Let's hope the mods don't come around to ban people again.

[Edited on 03.29.2011 5:59 AM PDT]

  • 03.29.2011 5:57 AM PDT

Halo 3

Posted by: XxSCiZORxX
This flamewar is getting lulzy. XD!

Let's hope the mods don't come around to ban people again.


You mean people like you (JacobGRocks)?


You really are a scrub.



[Edited on 03.29.2011 12:33 PM PDT]

  • 03.29.2011 12:29 PM PDT

Look who's the bigger scrub here.

  • 03.29.2011 1:13 PM PDT

Halo 3

Posted by: XxSCiZORxX
Look who's the bigger scrub here.


Dusk is the bigger one. But You're the biggest one so far. Bungie hates you. Go kill yourself.

  • 03.29.2011 1:28 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.


Posted by: Ben2974
Posted by: XxSCiZORxX
Look who's the bigger scrub here.


Dusk is the bigger one. But You're the biggest one so far. Bungie hates you. Go kill yourself.

Once again, you calling ANYONE a scrub is the pot calling the kettle black.

  • 03.29.2011 2:17 PM PDT
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Yes, I am a hypocrite, and I'm sorry. I really do mean well, but I'm not running on all cylinders.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

Go to KNFr server and watch people 3sk each other for a while. 3 pistol shots versus 4 shots from the slower BR. You also have to be thinking at least a second ahead thanks to Halo PC's net code.

  • 03.30.2011 7:38 AM PDT
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Go to KNFr server and watch people 3sk each other for a while. 3 pistol shots versus 4 shots from the slower BR. You also have to be thinking at least a second ahead thanks to Halo PC's net code.


Just keep in mind that KNFr is a botter's playground. :(

  • 03.30.2011 7:48 AM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

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Posted by: n357
Go to KNFr server and watch people 3sk each other for a while. 3 pistol shots versus 4 shots from the slower BR. You also have to be thinking at least a second ahead thanks to Halo PC's net code.


Just keep in mind that KNFr is a botter's playground. :(

Sadly. No admins are ever in there. I'm surprised they keep that server up, considering most KNFr guys don't even play Halo anymore.

  • 03.30.2011 11:14 AM PDT

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