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Subject: Halo CE Remake not what we think it is? (Long read)

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Hey guys, now I'm not sure if I should post this here or in the Reach forum (You'll see why in a bit).

Now this is a long read, so hold onto your potatoes.

So, there's been a lot of rumours going around about a Halo CE Remake. Several websites have been talking about it and Joystiq "confirmed" that it's real. It's the 10 anniversary of Halo CE this year after all (I've spent over half my life playing Halo o_o), so maybe it is real? After all Frankie said that there's going to be something big going on this year to celebrate the 10 years of Halo.

But, Frankie said there'd be no new Halo games this year. There's also been a few sources saying that it's using Reach's engine, so to me this only leads to one thing. An Expansion pack.

Now, this could either be ODST style (On a disc) or DLC. ODST was originally going to be DLC, but because of the inclusion of Firefight, it became game (On disc) instead, a lot of people complained, so I'm not sure which would be best. If it was DLC it'd probably cost a lot of MS points but I think it'd be worth it.

The beginning of the Camapign would be similar to how ODST's was. ODST's first mission is set during Halo 2, the invasion of New Mombassa. Regret's Assault Carrier goes into Slipspace followed by In Amber Clad. A Halo CE expansion could carry on just after the PoA has taken off at the end of Halo Reach.

Now, a lot of people have been arguing over certain aspects of the book and the game and how they "clash" in certain areas, like how the Pillar of Autumn was on the ground, or how the Covenant Fleet attacked a Month earlier in the game.

Now if 343i were to make a CE Expansion, they could fix this.

I've noticed a few things that 343i have been doing since Reach came out that could lead onto a Halo CE Expansion. You could say that they're "clues". In Halo Reach, Bungie had remade the Pillar of Autumn and Captain Keyes, updated thier look. Now, you get to see Captain Keyes for around 20 seconds, and the Pillar of Autumn is in two cutscenes and two missions (The Pillar of Autumn and Holdout). Now, why would they remake Keyes and the PoA (2 things which are VERY important to Halo) just to show them off once or twice? Maybe 343i will use them for something else? Hmm?

Recently the Defiant Map Pack came out. Now, both maps are linked with the books First Strike and the Fall of Reach. Condemned, also known as Gamma Station, is where John, Linda and James went to destroy Navigation Data so that the Covenant wouldn't find Earth. This is also where Chief met Sgt Johnson, another important charcter (Not so much in Halo CE, but he was still badass).

Highlands is a Spartan Traning Facility, in the centre of the map is a crashed Pelican. Now, while Chief was off doing his buissness on Gamma Station, another group of Spartans were on a mission to defend the Super MAC Generators, after thier Pelican got damaged they had to bail, thier Pelican flew off into the distance and crashed in the middle of the "Highlands" facility.

Now, during the books, both of these take place just after the large Covenant Fleet arrived. Now this is a problem, because in the game (like I said) the fleet arrives a month early. The whole reason the two events that the new maps show are because of what happened in the book, where the PoA was leaving the system but turned back around to help when the Fleet arrived. This is where the dates are messed up. Now, this will either be ignored forever, or will be fixed soon by 343i. How could they do this? An expansion pack.

The first mission could take place just as the PoA has taken off. They're just about to leave the system, not to go on a mission like the books, but to escape the doomed planet. The first couple of scenes could be the same as First Strike, Fred siwrling his Knife around as thier getting briefed on the mission. Then the events of the book could take place, you could play as Chief going to Gamma Station, then get back to the PoA and escape. This could also be the chance to see the Super MACs again.

Now if I remember correctly, in the Fall of Reach there were many things that were'nt included in the games until Halo Reach. When the station is getting attacked there are large Drop Pods and EVA Elites, both of which have been added into Reach. Like the PoA and Keyes these could be re-used. The weapons could be re-skined to match the weapons present in CE, with a graphical upgrade of course, just like Keyes and the PoA. Seeing the old weapons such as the MA5B and the old Shade turret would be awesome.

After getting back to the PoA and escaping Reach the beginning of Halo CE could start, just like the ending of Reach shows us already (You could say that it's a preview of what we could be seeing soon, teasing us).

Bungie added a lot of things into Reach that have been or could have been in Halo CE. The Engineers, the Marines/Troopers with an Eye Piece like the Marines in CE. Everything for a Halo CE remake is there, all they have to do is piece it together and make it as epic and memorable as the original game that we all got hooked onto 10 years ago.

Sorry if this has been hard to read or if I've repeated myself a few times. I hardly ever post topics and when I do they're usually short. If you've read all this, thanks. I hope we see something at E3.

TLDR: Halo CE Remake could be an expansion for Reach, could fix certain parts of the story where certain dates and events "clash" and it would be awesome =D

What do you think?


[Edited on 03.24.2011 4:06 AM PDT]

  • 03.23.2011 5:51 AM PDT
Subject: Halo CE Remake not what we think it is?

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eh, maybe

EDIT: upon reading more I actually think you have a decent point, good job chap

[Edited on 03.23.2011 6:12 AM PDT]

  • 03.23.2011 6:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pipboy 3050
eh, maybe

EDIT: upon reading more I actually think you have a decent point, good job chap


Thank you, kind sir.

Edit: The only thing that I'm confused about is the names of the missions, as the last mission of Reach is The Pillar of Autumn aswell as the first of CE. We've had missions with the same name before though (Halo in CE and Halo in Halo 3).

[Edited on 03.23.2011 6:20 AM PDT]

  • 03.23.2011 6:12 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

I'm still sceptical,i will only believe it if it shows up at E3 or images leaks.

But it's possible

  • 03.23.2011 6:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
I'm still sceptical,i will only believe it if it shows up at E3 or images leaks.

But it's possible


Yeah I really hope they show something at E3.

  • 03.23.2011 6:34 AM PDT
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that could help some of the canon issues

  • 03.23.2011 6:34 AM PDT
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Good read, and an interesting theory. Catching up these past couple of weeks I admit I've started playing the trilogy over again along with re-reading the novels.

I don't really care about 'errors' in canon, as long as I'm entertained with a good story. But some people sure seem offended if all the t's aren't crossed properly.

It's nice to read fan input while waiting for new games to come out, there are a lot of good ideas out there.

  • 03.23.2011 6:41 AM PDT
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"but you already knew that, I mean, how couldn't you?

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Seems logical, it will almost certainly be using the reach engine anyway. I don't really mind if the dates don't all match up, but I'd prefer at least most of the events to match up a bit more. I guess we wait and see.

Good job though.

  • 03.23.2011 6:46 AM PDT


Posted by: Jayster 94

Posted by: hotshot revan II
I'm still sceptical,i will only believe it if it shows up at E3 or images leaks.

But it's possible


Yeah I really hope they show something at E3.


Yeah, well if they show something I'll believe it. The three articles which 'confirmed' it all said three completely different things about how it was going to be. Joystiq didn't even say who their source is <_<.

But yeah, I glanced over and it's an interesting point.

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

OXM says the Halo ce remake arrives at the tenth anniversaire of Halo.

The same source says a Halo 4 arrives at 2012

If the CE remake is true then the possibility of having Halo 4 in 2012 will be high as hell.

I bet Halo 4 is the start of a new trilogy,defeat the flood and the entire milky way joins the campaign.

That's why i think will happen and the return of the Forerunners

  • 03.23.2011 7:17 AM PDT

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If 343 does this, I will be blown away. It seems completely logical to make CE a huge expansion to Reach, but adding a couple levels BEFORE Halo CE starts just sounds too good to be true.

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Posted by: privet caboose
If 343 does this, I will be blown away. It seems completely logical to make CE a huge expansion to Reach, but adding a couple levels BEFORE Halo CE starts just sounds too good to be true.


Would be awesome if the CE remake contains both Reach maps and CE maps just like ODST mythic disc :)

  • 03.23.2011 7:23 AM PDT
Subject: Halo CE Remake not what we think it is? (Long read)

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Posted by: privet caboose
If 343 does this, I will be blown away. It seems completely logical to make CE a huge expansion to Reach, but adding a couple levels BEFORE Halo CE starts just sounds too good to be true.


The problem is is that there are a few things wrong with the story between Reach, the books and CE, having just one mission before the beginning of Halo CE would be cool. It could start off like the beginning of First Strike, where the Spartan IIs (The REAL Spartans) get briefed on thier missions, the tutorial for the game could be them getting ready for the mission, checking thier gear etc. It could then follow John onto Gamma Station where you'd meet Sgt Johnson and escape.

You'd get introduced to Sgt Johnson and a few of the other marines from CE. Obviously a few things would change between the book and the game, like John having that 1v1 with the Elite, but I think it would be great. They could simply call the mission "The Fall of Reach".

[Edited on 03.23.2011 7:55 AM PDT]

  • 03.23.2011 7:29 AM PDT
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Good point, man. I think I'd actually get it if it were an expansion. It'd be a lot tougher to buy it if it were on disc at regular price.

I dunno about the engine being the reach engine though. I mean if we're going off the Joystiq confirmation article, they state "We understand that it's something other than the Reach engine". But I guess we'll see.

  • 03.23.2011 7:34 AM PDT
Subject: Halo CE Remake not what we think it is? (Long read)

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Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
Good point, man. I think I'd actually get it if it were an expansion. It'd be a lot tougher to buy it if it were on disc at regular price.

I dunno about the engine being the reach engine though. I mean if we're going off the Joystiq confirmation article, they state "We understand that it's something other than the Reach engine". But I guess we'll see.


Well, if it's not using the Reach Engine then it'll be a new game. I think it'd work really well as an expansion pack. But yeah like you said, we'll have to wait and see. Fingers crossed for E3.

[Edited on 03.23.2011 8:21 AM PDT]

  • 03.23.2011 8:20 AM PDT


Posted by: Jayster 94

Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
Good point, man. I think I'd actually get it if it were an expansion. It'd be a lot tougher to buy it if it were on disc at regular price.

I dunno about the engine being the reach engine though. I mean if we're going off the Joystiq confirmation article, they state "We understand that it's something other than the Reach engine". But I guess we'll see.


Well, if it's not using the Reach Engine then it'll be a new game. I think it'd work really well as an expansion pack. But yeah like you said, we'll have to wait and see. Fingers crossed for E3.


Right. But yeah hopefully E3 will deliver. Remake and Bungie's new IP.

  • 03.23.2011 8:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: privet caboose
If 343 does this, I will be blown away. It seems completely logical to make CE a huge expansion to Reach, but adding a couple levels BEFORE Halo CE starts just sounds too good to be true.


Indeed. But by doing so, they might able to fix a couple of issues. Maybe they could show the real war as it was told through the books.

  • 03.23.2011 9:13 AM PDT
Subject: Halo CE Remake not what we think it is? (Long read)

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That actually seems like the best theory I've read yet.

Halo CE remake being DLC for Reach. Genius! Only possible problem with that: Flood AI. It's not intrinsically bedded in the core Reach gameplay (as far as I'm aware), so whether or not they'll be recreating the Flood for the game, or using Halo 3's Flood models/skins/animations is yet to be seen. Will be interesting either way.

Good idea though.

  • 03.23.2011 9:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: SonicJohn
That actually seems like the best theory I've read yet.

Halo CE remake being DLC for Reach. Genius! Only possible problem with that: Flood AI. It's not intrinsically bedded in the core Reach gameplay (as far as I'm aware), so whether or not they'll be recreating the Flood for the game, or using Halo 3's Flood models/skins/animations is yet to be seen. Will be interesting either way.

Good idea though.


They could add in AI though couldn't they? It can't be that hard. I'd love to see the Flood with Reach's graphics though, hopefuly they won't change too much about them (That is if CE is being remade).

[Edited on 03.23.2011 9:47 AM PDT]

  • 03.23.2011 9:47 AM PDT

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I wish OP, oh I sure do wish. Long as Saber Interactive isn't the dev should a CE remake project in general exists I will sure as hell hope that something like that happens.

  • 03.23.2011 9:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: SonicJohn
That actually seems like the best theory I've read yet.

Halo CE remake being DLC for Reach. Genius! Only possible problem with that: Flood AI. It's not intrinsically bedded in the core Reach gameplay (as far as I'm aware), so whether or not they'll be recreating the Flood for the game, or using Halo 3's Flood models/skins/animations is yet to be seen. Will be interesting either way.

Good idea though.


They could add in AI though couldn't they? It can't be that hard. I'd love to see the Flood with Reach's graphics though, hopefuly they won't change too much about them (That is if CE is being remade).


It's not as simple as just "adding them in" they have to test them thoroughly but on the whole I approve of this theory. Even if you're way off the mark, right now this all seems very solid and plausible.

  • 03.23.2011 10:45 AM PDT

Well, I'm thinking of something. Technically, a Halo remake isn't a new game. Maybe Halo CE could be remade identically to the original except for updated graphics, and some studio work on a ODST-type expansion which fills the gap between Reach and CE.


Posted by: Jayster 94

They could add in AI though couldn't they? It can't be that hard. I'd love to see the Flood with Reach's graphics though, hopefuly they won't change too much about them (That is if CE is being remade).


They added AI for the engineers in ODST, so I guess it can be done.

[Edited on 03.23.2011 12:02 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Evil Johnny
Well, I'm thinking of something. Technically, a Halo remake isn't a new game. Maybe Halo CE could be remade identically to the original except for updated graphics, and some studio work on a ODST-type expansion which fills the gap between Reach and CE.


Posted by: Jayster 94

They could add in AI though couldn't they? It can't be that hard. I'd love to see the Flood with Reach's graphics though, hopefuly they won't change too much about them (That is if CE is being remade).


They added AI for the engineers in ODST, so I guess it can be done.


There aren't any "gaps" between Reach and Halo CE, if there were they would be tiny gaps that shouldn't even be messed with becuase we would get pissed.

I don't see how a remake would count as DLC to reach (just doesn't make sense or add up to me). i see the re-make as a separate game unless you guys are talking about an "updated" halo CE to fit Reach. Which i hope you aren't becuase that might as well be an alternate timeline then.

  • 03.23.2011 12:08 PM PDT


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There aren't any "gaps" between Reach and Halo CE, if there were they would be tiny gaps that shouldn't even be messed with becuase we would get pissed.


I was referring to the additional bits the OP stated. You bet there are, there's plenty of other things that happened between both games.

[Edited on 03.23.2011 12:35 PM PDT]

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