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Subject: The Problem with the Halo storyline (NOT CANON ERRORS!)

Ok Halos universe ( Human covie war) is sort of.... "tight" what i mean by thats is that for instance... the star wars story, you can make thousands of story's about clones on different worlds or crash landing on some alien planet but with halos story you cant it always has to be covies go to this planet stay their for a while certain things happen and a few hours later the planet gets glassed and the HAVE to go to these certain planets...

  • 03.23.2011 2:35 PM PDT

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  • 03.23.2011 2:35 PM PDT

did you even read what i said

  • 03.23.2011 2:36 PM PDT

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I tried. You need some full stops and commas in there. I cannot make out what you are trying to say. Thus the 'lolwut'.

  • 03.23.2011 2:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

The halo we know is currently the "middle" of the halo timeline. we have the Past that spans millions of years dealing with the origins of the precursors,forerunners,flood, humans and Races not yet known.

Then we have the future dealing with Events past halo 3.
Halo hasn't been around long as starwars or startrek, so we are just getting started.

  • 03.23.2011 2:39 PM PDT
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  • 03.23.2011 3:19 PM PDT

I put the laughter in manslaughter

And starwars has books(and games) such as starkiller who is a giant load of mary sue crap, (hurrdurr darth vader apprentice can use the force to take out a starcruiser)

Starwars and Halo alike both have a storyline to follow, darthvader is anakin, death star is built, alleran gets glassed etc.
you can write about the story though of HOW it happened...
for example, write a book about some fights on Reach, as long as the humans lose and the story isnt a steaming pile of garbage it works.

also, how long has starwars been out compared to halo?
edit: and starwars was a revolutionary film. there were so many new special effects and new things in it that made it a game changer to the movie industry.

Halo basically saved the xbox, but thats nothing compared to what starwars was.

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  • 03.23.2011 3:22 PM PDT

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Halo is a completely different universe than Star Wars, so obviously it will be set up differently. Star Wars is completely independent of real life (yes, it says a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, but that's the only mention of real life) so of course there is a lot more room for alternate stories, but Bungie wanted Halo to involve humanity, Earth, and the fairly-near future. There's nothing wrong with that. And I'm sure they never intended it to become anywhere near as popular or big as it has become, and even with the size of the canon already, there is plenty of room for more.
You compare it to Star Wars which is perhaps the best fictional canon ever created, but most are not nearly that expansive, or even as expansive as Halo.

  • 03.23.2011 3:26 PM PDT

ive read your comment a bunch of times and i still dont know wat ur sayin so... dont criticize halo on bungie...theyre watching!!!

  • 03.23.2011 3:43 PM PDT

well what about the rebels, flood, forerunners, precursors, and anything after the war?

  • 03.23.2011 3:49 PM PDT

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Comparing Halo to Star Wars is like comparing apples to oranges. They are both fruits, but that's about where the similarities stop. Halo and Star Wars are both science fiction universes, but they are different styles of universe.

The Star Wars universe is the classic idea of a science fiction universe, with a galaxy to explore and a plethora of alien races. The places in this universe do little to remind us of our world and our time. This is the same type of universe used in the Mass Effect series or Star Trek.

The Halo universe is a simpler one, and before the Covenant there were no aliens, making the pre-contact Halo universe strikingly similar to the Universe presented in the TV series Firefly. In the end the Halo universe is about human struggles and is meant to remind us of our lives, with many metaphors that can be found in the subtext.

In conclusion/TL;DR, Halo and Star Wars are completely different universes and they shouldn't be compared beyond their roles as the main science fiction franchise for a respective generation.

  • 03.23.2011 3:55 PM PDT

Head Down/ Chin Up!

Halo is very young in its storytelling!

I mean Star Wars was released in 1977! The first major books came out in what? The early 90's?

Give Halo some time!

And on the scale of Halo? Like some of my friends have already said, the timeline spans millions of years! There is plenty to tell yet!

  • 03.23.2011 3:59 PM PDT

Halo is more like what you'd get if you mixed the historical, human origins and themes of 2001: A Space Odyssey, and the rediculous timeline of the Xeelee Sequence with the epic battle scenes of Star Wars mixed with the tactical naval space warfare of Star Trek.

With a timeline spanning millions of years, Halo has a long way to go yet.

  • 03.23.2011 4:06 PM PDT

What Op is saying is that as scifi universes go halo has one of the most consistent integrated and chronological storylines around barring a few inconsistencies for which there wil probably be explanations in due course.......as opposed to say, star wars where in the end they resorted to creating a whole new 'extended' (AKA parallel has nothing to do with the real story) universe with like 6 or 7 different levels of canonicity because it was all so messed up.

OP thinks this is a bad thing on halos part?

My opinion is that halo has a very consistent storyline indeed with just enough room in the plot left to facilitate raucous debate on certain elements as youd know if you kept track of the universe forum.

  • 03.23.2011 4:29 PM PDT

The majority of the halo storyline has almost no details about it.

There was a 25 year war before the games began, which only has the occasional battle here and there filled in.

Go wild.

  • 03.23.2011 4:48 PM PDT

They could write hundreds of books about the Universe.... I would love to read some books about the Covenant..

  • 03.23.2011 5:28 PM PDT

Indeed overkill restrictiveness has been hurting Halo games and stories since the start. It's mainly due to FoR. That book basically stated "Okay, here's 27 years of war perfect for stories to be added in. HOWEVER, you may not use elites or hunters, have energy shields on Spartans, nor kill any spartan." With those core elements removed, there's little Halo left to work with.

  • 03.23.2011 5:34 PM PDT

I wasn't saying they were similar I was just giving an example like in halo You can't write some story about a crashed pelican dropship with some troopers in it and find a small covie outpost that ISNT looking for forerunner artifacts it's always the Covienant HAS to go to this colony and do THAT for that colony, the battles with to covennant don't last long either just about a day before they glass the planet

  • 04.02.2011 12:51 AM PDT


Posted by: Mutoid Log
Indeed overkill restrictiveness has been hurting Halo games and stories since the start. It's mainly due to FoR. That book basically stated "Okay, here's 27 years of war perfect for stories to be added in. HOWEVER, you may not use elites or hunters, have energy shields on Spartans, nor kill any spartan." With those core elements removed, there's little Halo left to work with.
. Exactly what I meant. FoR ruined the halo canon because now you can't make a good story about a Spartan without breaking canon,it's actually exactly what I meant thanks

  • 04.02.2011 12:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mutoid Log
Indeed overkill restrictiveness has been hurting Halo games and stories since the start. It's mainly due to FoR. That book basically stated "Okay, here's 27 years of war perfect for stories to be added in. HOWEVER, you may not use elites or hunters, have energy shields on Spartans, nor kill any spartan." With those core elements removed, there's little Halo left to work with.
. Exactly what I meant. FoR ruined the halo canon because now you can't make a good story about a Spartan without breaking canon,it's actually exactly what I meant thanks


Not really. The number of surviving spartans from TRoR was retconned long ago so writers can make as many spartans as they want as long as they don't go over board. However this brings up a major problem for me. Way too much of the Halo Universe revolves around the spartans. In my opinion writers constantly using the spartans as crutches is whats ruining halo canon.

Anyway theres tons of things that someone can write a book about. 30 years of the human covenant war, the years before and after the war, the history of the covenant, early years of the UNSC. The problem is if a spartan wasn't involved people are hesitant to write or read it.

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  • 04.02.2011 2:08 AM PDT

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well the storyline i have to agree is i little to busy at the end in 2552. i mean reach was destroyed in 2552, installation 04 was destroyed(halo 1) 2552, regret attacked earth 2552, installation 05(halo 2's delta halo)2552, installation 00 and the whole covenant fleet attacked earth 2552. humans won the war and the master chief is stranded in space 2553. do you get it all in 1 year

  • 04.02.2011 2:17 AM PDT

IMO the best stories in halo have not been about Spartans.

  • 04.02.2011 8:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: monkDAN
IMO the best stories in halo have not been about Spartans.

True dat yo. I prefer the more "human" characters.

[Edited on 04.02.2011 8:13 AM PDT]

  • 04.02.2011 8:12 AM PDT


Posted by: monkDAN
IMO the best stories in halo have not been about Spartans.


Like Dirt by Tobias Buckell, Human Weakness, The Return, Contact Harvest, etc.

See OP, you need to realize that Halo's universe is based around one single, million year long story. I'd rather it not turn into a Star Wars esque universe since at that point it just gets all shot to hell with different levels of canon and so on. In fact, Star Wars has gotten so big, its gotten self-reduntant.

All the happy endings in that universe are made pointless by the plethora of other Sith and evil guys in the Galaxy; you know its not over, and it never will be over until George Lucas either gets tired of making money (he won't) or dies. The Star Wars movie series was made utterly pointless because of this.

Halo's story is so broad in scope its nearly unbelievable TBH. Its been integrated within the fanbase. Trying to tell a random story out of the blue that doesn't better our understanding of the main story arc wouldn't be recieved well (which is why the story Cole Protocol has a lot of hate for it, though I personally think there's things to be learned there).

Its not a matter of the writers not being able too, its a matter of them not wanting to, nor the fans not wanting to read it (for the most part).

  • 04.02.2011 8:33 AM PDT