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Subject: How would a spartan II fare against modern military?


Posted by: KonnichiwaBE

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Posted by: KonnichiwaBE
If we know where he is it can't be that hard...Or can he survive nukes? Well if MC has armor lock...Then we are screwed..
The ODSTs in The Fall of Reach new where he was when he was testing his Mark V. The Covenant on Halo new where he was, and they were eliminating the human race. The Flood new where he was and he still owned them.


Yeah but the ODST's and the Covenant could not use Nukes =p. I doubt Halo would survive the nukes... Same for the flood they want to use bodies don't smash the bodies in thousands of pieces...


Ugh... why do people keep bringing nukes up as if they are a viable weapon for frequent use? Modern military would NEVER casually just launch a nuke to kill somebody.


Posted by: westpointusma15

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and them fighting a modern military is the equivalent of a SEAL in the dark ages.

Yeah. Especially a SEAL Sniper. :)


I don't think that comparison is completely accurate. The Dark Ages only had arrows at attack at range, which are slow and inaccurate. A SEAL back then could kill tens of them in the time it takes a archer to load and fire an arrow.

I think the Spartan would kill some people, but then the shields would collapse from the bullets and he'd die.


Depending on the weapon he's using and range maybe... Bows aren't the slowest ranged weapon to fire lol.

  • 03.24.2011 1:39 AM PDT

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He would wipe them out.

  • 03.24.2011 5:28 AM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: destroys u


Yes I know he was able to survive an airstrike by punching a missle, but he can't to that every time. (Fall of Reach)


That still sounds so badass. Punching a missile out of the way.


Not punched. Pimp-slapped.

  • 03.24.2011 8:07 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Spartan II's would be deployed for covert stealth ops. I have no doubt they couldint complete their missions. They are just too well trained.

SWAT, SAS, Rangers, SEALS teams... They couldint hold a candle to a single Spartan II.

  • 03.24.2011 8:18 AM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
Spartan II's would be deployed for covert stealth ops. I have no doubt they couldint complete their missions. They are just too well trained.

SWAT, SAS, Rangers, SEALS teams... They couldint hold a candle to a single Spartan II.


Not always true concerning Spartan II deployments... They sometimes got sent on typical shoot-them-up missions.


Posted by: ArcticMan94

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: destroys u


Yes I know he was able to survive an airstrike by punching a missle, but he can't to that every time. (Fall of Reach)


That still sounds so badass. Punching a missile out of the way.


Not punched. Pimp-slapped.


Yeah, and doing it royally screwed him up to the point where they had to drive him away to get medical treatment...

It was a one-time 'badass' move really lol.

[Edited on 03.24.2011 8:56 AM PDT]

  • 03.24.2011 8:55 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: HipiO7
Spartan II's would be deployed for covert stealth ops. I have no doubt they couldint complete their missions. They are just too well trained.

SWAT, SAS, Rangers, SEALS teams... They couldint hold a candle to a single Spartan II.


Not always true concerning Spartan II deployments... They sometimes got sent on typical shoot-them-up missions.


Yeah, but if for example, Spartan II's were to exist today, brought from the future let's just say, I highly doubt they would be used in open warfare, deemed way too valuable. They could execute almost any black op.

Of course, if their numbers were large enough, I'm sure they would be sent in as a death squad, anti-everything on the battlefield. It would be stupidly hard for modern day forces to take out a Spartan. No thermals, unmatched reflexes, almost nightvision, speed no regular human could keep up with... The list goes on.


  • 03.24.2011 10:34 AM PDT

just gonna say, don't be flipping stupid! SPARTAN-IIs are pretty bad-ass individuals, but they are not by any stretch of the imagination invunerable, shoot a SPARTAN-II with the 30MM cannon on an Armoured Fighting Vehicle and i would predict they would go down rather quickly, if bullets can drain shields (those bullets in assault rifles are only 5.56MM or something) the 30MM armour piercing rounds would do the job just fine. since the halo unvierse is so grounded in reality, its one of those comparisons which are pretty easy to play out, modern military wins.

  • 03.24.2011 4:50 PM PDT
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Remember that episode of Red vs Blue?

Where Tex beats the crap out of everyone?

Yeah that.

  • 03.24.2011 5:14 PM PDT

-blam!- the shielding, modern rounds wouldn't pierce the ARMOR, its made out of titanium, and only a nuke MIGHT work, depending on the spartan. it would be a slaughter. think, Master Chief KILLED 3 highly trained OSDT around the age of 8.

Food for Thought

  • 03.24.2011 5:21 PM PDT

sorry but thats just not right. big deal the armour is made from titanium, thats irrelevant. the rounds used by those 30MM autocannons are made from tungsten carbide, which will absolutely penetrate titanium with no notable deflection, would be a fatal blow as well, getting hit by a 30MM high explosive armour piercing round, not to mention they fire pretty fast as well so dodging them is absolutely out of the question as well. don't get me wrong titanium is an incredibly resilient material but its not by any means bulletproof or such and will be penetrated without much trouble by most modern armour penetrating rounds.

shields seem to get depleted by anything fired at them so thats no problem as well to be honest, secondary armament of an armoured fighting vehicle could take care of that, something like a 7.62MM machinegun or even worse .50 cal machinegun. so standing by my original statement, the SPARTAN would get totally and utterly owned.

  • 03.24.2011 5:28 PM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
sorry but thats just not right. big deal the armour is made from titanium, thats irrelevant. the rounds used by those 30MM autocannons are made from tungsten carbide, which will absolutely penetrate titanium with no notable deflection, would be a fatal blow as well, getting hit by a 30MM high explosive armour piercing round, not to mention they fire pretty fast as well so dodging them is absolutely out of the question as well. don't get me wrong titanium is an incredibly resilient material but its not by any means bulletproof or such and will be penetrated without much trouble by most modern armour penetrating rounds.

shields seem to get depleted by anything fired at them so thats no problem as well to be honest, secondary armament of an armoured fighting vehicle could take care of that, something like a 7.62MM machinegun or even worse .50 cal machinegun. so standing by my original statement, the SPARTAN would get totally and utterly owned.


As much as i would like to reply with something witty and somewhat rude, I love to find people who know more than me in fields i enjoy, military included. so thanks, what do you think would be required to take down a GROUP of spartans, as they have been raised with a pack mentality, and like to fight that way.

  • 03.24.2011 5:39 PM PDT

Mreh.

If we nuked one, they would hijack the missle and ride the bomb all the way over to the U.S. and go out in a blaze of glory.

  • 03.24.2011 5:47 PM PDT

problem is though, SPARTAN-IIs aren't made for a war against modern armed forces, since IMHO the UNSC are based on modern armed forces, similar to the forces used by the US marine corp. as an example, they excel at rapid deployement and completing their objectives quickly rather than prolonged, full-scale war. so i would think a bunch of SPARTAN-IIs would suffer the same fate as one in an engagement against a deployed modern force, complete with infantry and support vehicles. fair enough they have energy shields but weight of fire in the Halo Universe is enough to take them down, and modern forces are well trained to use their weapons, and must throw machineguns and grenade launchers into your standard squads.

to be frank, the UNSC are behind our modern military forces in a number of key areas, automation being one of them, now we have squads of infantry who can use UAVs to scout positions ahead of them, these UAVs can even call in artillery, air-strikes. we have air-bursting munitions that negate hiding behind something, lots of thermal optics built into modern battle machines, tons of things. couldn't imagine Covenant Banshees for example would fair well against something like an ADATS, patriot missile battery or starstreak missiles, all deployed extensively in the field. 'ancient' AC-130 gunships would be highly effective against Halo universe ground forces, as long as air superiority was established, a 105MM howitzer round from an Spectre would probably junk a Covenant Wraith in a single shot. don't really think these sorts of things should be compared to be honest, not unless someone fancies totally modernising the UNSC armed forces.

  • 03.24.2011 5:49 PM PDT

nice, and i agree, the fact that the UNSC apparently abandonded all air superiority fighters is sad, speaking that banshees wouldn't be able to cope with the speed. just think of an F-35 talking on one of those, total obliteration of that banshee

  • 03.24.2011 5:54 PM PDT

Mreh.


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
problem is though, SPARTAN-IIs aren't made for a war against modern armed forces, since IMHO the UNSC are based on modern armed forces, similar to the forces used by the US marine corp. as an example, they excel at rapid deployement and completing their objectives quickly rather than prolonged, full-scale war. so i would think a bunch of SPARTAN-IIs would suffer the same fate as one in an engagement against a deployed modern force, complete with infantry and support vehicles. fair enough they have energy shields but weight of fire in the Halo Universe is enough to take them down, and modern forces are well trained to use their weapons, and must throw machineguns and grenade launchers into your standard squads.

to be frank, the UNSC are behind our modern military forces in a number of key areas, automation being one of them, now we have squads of infantry who can use UAVs to scout positions ahead of them, these UAVs can even call in artillery, air-strikes. we have air-bursting munitions that negate hiding behind something, lots of thermal optics built into modern battle machines, tons of things. couldn't imagine Covenant Banshees for example would fair well against something like an ADATS, patriot missile battery or starstreak missiles, all deployed extensively in the field. 'ancient' AC-130 gunships would be highly effective against Halo universe ground forces, as long as air superiority was established, a 105MM howitzer round from an Spectre would probably junk a Covenant Wraith in a single shot. don't really think these sorts of things should be compared to be honest, not unless someone fancies totally modernising the UNSC armed forces.


Yes, but the thing with the covenant is that they can control the orbital field of earth, seeing as we have no need for fighting for that during modern times. They could just glass various military command centers and your military would effectively be a headless ant.

  • 03.24.2011 5:56 PM PDT

ah, but the covies don't roll like that. one ICBM should do the trick

  • 03.24.2011 5:57 PM PDT

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Imagine Master Chief against the Red and Blue teams from Red vs Blue.

  • 03.24.2011 6:20 PM PDT


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Imagine Master Chief against the Red and Blue teams from Red vs Blue.


"You just got SARGED!!!!"

  • 03.24.2011 6:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
and them fighting a modern military is the equivalent of a SEAL in the dark ages.

Yeah. Especially a SEAL Sniper. :)

A sniper? You do realize that without a headshot, the armor-piercing rounds that Reach's sniper rifle uses takes two direct hits to kill a spartan? If it takes two hits with bullets that are meant to take out tanks, then I'd think that it'd take several shots from any modern day sniper rifle to kill one.

  • 03.24.2011 6:45 PM PDT


Posted by: matchstick800
-blam!- the shielding, modern rounds wouldn't pierce the ARMOR, its made out of titanium, and only a nuke MIGHT work, depending on the spartan. it would be a slaughter. think, Master Chief KILLED 3 highly trained OSDT around the age of 8.

Food for Thought


Bad example.
A: Master Chief didn't know his strength.
B: ODST's treated Master Chief as some upstart teen, not an augmented and heavily trained soldier.
C: Both sides underestimated the Chief, that is why the ODST's died.

Posted by: Evo Chiffon
Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
and them fighting a modern military is the equivalent of a SEAL in the dark ages.

Yeah. Especially a SEAL Sniper. :)

A sniper? You do realize that without a headshot, the armor-piercing rounds that Reach's sniper rifle uses takes two direct hits to kill a spartan? If it takes two hits with bullets that are meant to take out tanks, then I'd think that it'd take several shots from any modern day sniper rifle to kill one.


What he meant is a Spartan facing modern military can easily be compared to a Navy Seal fighting forces in the Medieval/'dark ages' aka bow+arrow, sword and shield.

  • 03.24.2011 7:03 PM PDT

Hanger one I just shredded with the SMGs until ammo was out and I just threw 'nades like a boss while BRing.

My experience playing Cairo Station on Legendary

Really, MC would probably lose. Realistically. We don't really know EXACTLY how much damage the Chief's armor can take. Game play isn't reliable, and the books make it seem rather weak, with only a few shots taking the shielding down. The US military would have a huge loss if it were Infantry, I'm guessing AT LEAST a few hundred. Without team work, one person is only capable of so much. Plus, no help from a command. Tough to say how brutal it'd be.

  • 03.24.2011 7:17 PM PDT
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You have to realize this spartan is made in the hundred years of the future the weapons there are all better in every single way imaginable. they might not look it but they are. the shields to they can probably take two or maybe three tank shots because of how advanced they are. and you still have to remeber hundreds of years into the future. its like the military in the civil war

  • 03.24.2011 7:47 PM PDT
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hi that was just in my opinion

[Edited on 03.24.2011 7:48 PM PDT]

  • 03.24.2011 7:47 PM PDT

spartan 2 hands down

  • 03.24.2011 7:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: KonnichiwaBE
If we know where he is it can't be that hard...Or can he survive nukes? Well if MC has armor lock...Then we are screwed..

He does but it broke in the first mission of h3 when he fell from space.
btw mc would proly win

  • 03.24.2011 8:13 PM PDT

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