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Subject: How many sets of MJOLNIR armor was issued to Spartan 3's?

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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Posted by: switch 104 sv
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Posted by: switch 104 sv
5 for Noble Team's IIIs
1 for Thom (Former Member)
3 for the Spartans Emile, Jun and Jorge replaced (We know Kat and Carter are the only original members)
29 for the Headhunter program (six 2-man teams [12] with 17 rotational replacements)
1 for Spartan-344 (Rosenda)
6 for Gauntlet Team (5 if Rosenda is a member)
6 for Echo Team

So, roughly 54/53 Spartan IIIs received MJOLNIR armour.



*I'm pretty drunk so if the maths doesn't add up that's why. Otherwise my logic is sound.


You forgot about RED, which would add up to 59/60 sets of MJLONIR givin out.

I think it is safe to say that the "Red Team" which Kat/Jun refers to is actually the Spartan II Red Team, based off the fact the Fall of Reach and the Radio transmissions match up in numbers. There is no reason to assume that the "Red Team" mentioned was a Spartan III team and not just a nice reference to novels for the more observational fan.


But Jun says in the cutscene that GAUNTLET, RED and ECHO teams were assigned to civilian evac ops.

From what TFoR tells, this was obviously not the case. No, I dont belive this one to be a nice reference to people who have read TFoR and FS.

  • 03.24.2011 7:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
But Jun says in the cutscene that GAUNTLET, RED and ECHO teams were assigned to civilian evac ops.

From what TFoR tells, this was obviously not the case. No, I dont belive this one to be a nice reference to people who have read TFoR and FS.

Why not? Thge numbers add up? And the idea that Col. Holland's Spartans shouldn't know about Spartan II Ops is nullified by the fact that Kat hacked into unsecured and restricted information in the first place, which the cutscene states.

Posted by: Monkeybarsixx
Well the headhunters didn't have MJOLNIR armor, they had different armor...so minus a few...

Why do people think that? It is obvious that the Headhunters wore MJOLNIR armour. Here is a post I prepared earlier:


Evidence:
"power armor", pg. 164

This may seem trivial but I believe it is an important piece of evidence. MJOLNIR powered assault armor is the full title of the series. We all know that the suits use powered mechanics to amplify the user's movements. Now look at SPI, the small power output of these suits is used to run the photo-reactive plating and do not enhance the user physically. Note the distinction between "powered" and "semi-powered".

"Shielding", pg. 164

MJOLNIR Mk. V and up are the only combat suits to utilise shield technology. it could be argued that "shielding" here refers to the SPI's coated plating being able to take some plasma fire, however, MJOLNIR's actual plates are also built like this and the technology is passive i.e. does not use any power.

"the advancements in their training and technology and equipment available to them" pg. 164

If standard Spartan IIIs were issued SPI then what would be an advancement upon that with regards to technology and equipment? MJOLNIR.

Av-cam / Armour abilities

Roland's suit was equipped with the UNSC's experimental av-cam armour ability, not to be confused with the SPI's photor-eactive plating. Firstly, SPI would not have sufficient power to charge/recharge such technology. Secondly, Mk. V [B] is the only canonical armour to date to utilise armour abilities. The Headhunters were noted to field-test any experimental technology before widespread use e.g. VISR.

Basically, the Headhunter's armour is too advanced to be any form of SPI.




[Edited on 03.24.2011 8:00 PM PDT]

  • 03.24.2011 7:57 PM PDT

Well switch, interesting post though I disagree on one point. As far as I can tell, Mark V(B) is a helm, and just a helm. The rest of the armor is simply Mark V.

Or, in my case, I'm not sure why there would be a Mark v(B) entire armor unless it was a prototype of the suit, or with certain enhancements. If it was different in any way from Mark V, we don't know how...

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
5 for Noble Team's IIIs
1 for Thom (Former Member)
3 for the Spartans Emile, Jun and Jorge replaced (We know Kat and Carter are the only original members)
29 for the Headhunter program (six 2-man teams [12] with 17 rotational replacements)
1 for Spartan-344 (Rosenda)
6 for Gauntlet Team (5 if Rosenda is a member)
6 for Echo Team

So, roughly 54/53 Spartan IIIs received MJOLNIR armour.


I think theres one more. On Nobles profiles Holland said he was going to switch out Emile with another Spartan if he got out of control again.

edit: Nevermind. That was S-344.

[Edited on 03.24.2011 8:14 PM PDT]

  • 03.24.2011 8:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Well switch, interesting post though I disagree on one point. As far as I can tell, Mark V(B) is a helm, and just a helm. The rest of the armor is simply Mark V.

Or, in my case, I'm not sure why there would be a Mark v(B) entire armor unless it was a prototype of the suit, or with certain enhancements. If it was different in any way from Mark V, we don't know how...

Like I said, that is a post I prepared earlier, as in before Reach released. In any case, ignoring the fact that the "[B]" relates only to the Helmet (which I completely understand), my logic is still intact. I should have edited it out but to be honest I'm fairly drunk so I just did a quick copy/paste job.

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
5 for Noble Team's IIIs
1 for Thom (Former Member)
3 for the Spartans Emile, Jun and Jorge replaced (We know Kat and Carter are the only original members)
29 for the Headhunter program (six 2-man teams [12] with 17 rotational replacements)
1 for Spartan-344 (Rosenda)
6 for Gauntlet Team (5 if Rosenda is a member)
6 for Echo Team

So, roughly 54/53 Spartan IIIs received MJOLNIR armour.


I think theres one more. On Nobles profiles Holland said he was going to switch out Emile with another Spartan if he got out of control again.

Yeah, Rosenda - 344. I included her.

  • 03.24.2011 8:15 PM PDT


Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Well switch, interesting post though I disagree on one point. As far as I can tell, Mark V(B) is a helm, and just a helm. The rest of the armor is simply Mark V.

Or, in my case, I'm not sure why there would be a Mark v(B) entire armor unless it was a prototype of the suit, or with certain enhancements. If it was different in any way from Mark V, we don't know how...

Like I said, that is a post I prepared earlier, as in before Reach released. In any case, ignoring the fact that the "[B]" relates only to the Helmet (which I completely understand), my logic is still intact. I should have edited it out but to be honest I'm fairly drunk so I just did a quick copy/paste job.


Ah, didn't catch that part. It's okay.

  • 03.24.2011 8:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Well switch, interesting post though I disagree on one point. As far as I can tell, Mark V(B) is a helm, and just a helm. The rest of the armor is simply Mark V.

Or, in my case, I'm not sure why there would be a Mark v(B) entire armor unless it was a prototype of the suit, or with certain enhancements. If it was different in any way from Mark V, we don't know how...

Apologies. Its my own fault for posting while under the influence. There should be some kind of disclaimer! ;)
Like I said, that is a post I prepared earlier, as in before Reach released. In any case, ignoring the fact that the "[B]" relates only to the Helmet (which I completely understand), my logic is still intact. I should have edited it out but to be honest I'm fairly drunk so I just did a quick copy/paste job.


Ah, didn't catch that part. It's okay.

Apologies. Its my own fault for posting under the influence. There should be some sort of disclaimer. :P

[Edited on 03.24.2011 8:30 PM PDT]

  • 03.24.2011 8:29 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Red = Spartan II team we all know about. Spartan II's used color designations for the teams, the threes did not.

Gauntlet = Alpha company spartans. Alpha used random designations(Team Wolf pack, for example.)

Echo = Beta company spartans. Beta company used Military designations for their teams. (Foxtrot, India, Romeo, Lima, X-ray.)

This theory makes the most sense.

On the idea that Headhunters all used MJOLNIR, I simply don't believe that to be the case. It is much more likely that it was only Roland and Jonah who received the armor, as they stated themselves Headhunter teams test new equipment. They were most likely testing shielding on MJOLNIR, as this is before Mark V is completed. They were probably using SKUNKWORKS armor like Black Team, which are extremely costly. Fitting 20+ Spartan III's with MJOLNIR is MUCH to expensive, especially when they're going on more insane suicide missions than even the II's or regular III's went on.

Each team was probably testing different equipment.

  • 03.24.2011 8:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Red = Spartan II team we all know about. Spartan II's used color designations for the teams, the threes did not.

Gauntlet = Alpha company spartans. Alpha used random designations(Team Wolf pack, for example.)

Echo = Beta company spartans. Beta company used Military designations for their teams. (Foxtrot, India, Romeo, Lima, X-ray.)

This theory makes the most sense.

On the idea that Headhunters all used MJOLNIR, I simply don't believe that to be the case. It is much more likely that it was only Roland and Jonah who received the armor, as they stated themselves Headhunter teams test new equipment. They were most likely testing shielding on MJOLNIR, as this is before Mark V is completed. They were probably using SKUNKWORKS armor like Black Team, which are extremely costly. Fitting 20+ Spartan III's with MJOLNIR is MUCH to expensive, especially when they're going on more insane suicide missions than even the II's or regular III's went on.

Each team was probably testing different equipment.

The Headhunters missions were no more dangerous than Grey Team's and they got MJOLNIR. I see no reason why a program that has proven to be a great success would not warrant the financial investment.

  • 03.25.2011 4:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: privet caboose
Red = Spartan II team we all know about. Spartan II's used color designations for the teams, the threes did not.

Gauntlet = Alpha company spartans. Alpha used random designations(Team Wolf pack, for example.)

Echo = Beta company spartans. Beta company used Military designations for their teams. (Foxtrot, India, Romeo, Lima, X-ray.)

This theory makes the most sense.


I havent thought of the specific designations for each company. That would be the most solid evidence then that the RED mentioned in Reach, is the S-II team, but the only thing is, why would Jun say they are deployed on civilian evac ops? Unless, here comes one of your favorite parts Caboose, it was another canon error in Reach.


But I doubt the GAUNTLET and ECHO teams mentioned in Reach were only compromised of Alpha and Beta Company Spartan's respectivly. I'm positive they would include replacements from other companies just like NOBLE had. The original GAUNLET and ECHO team's were KIA, one with the rest of Alpha on the Covenant Shipyard, and the other with the rest of Beta on Pegasi Delta.

These are new teams.

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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: privet caboose
Red = Spartan II team we all know about. Spartan II's used color designations for the teams, the threes did not.

Gauntlet = Alpha company spartans. Alpha used random designations(Team Wolf pack, for example.)

Echo = Beta company spartans. Beta company used Military designations for their teams. (Foxtrot, India, Romeo, Lima, X-ray.)

This theory makes the most sense.


I havent thought of the specific designations for each company. That would be the most solid evidence then that the RED mentioned in Reach, is the S-II team, but the only thing is, why would Jun say they are deployed on civilian evac ops? Unless, here comes one of your favorite parts Caboose, it was another canon error in Reach.


Since Reach extended the battle by a month its unlikely RED team would be defending the generators the entire time.

Strange thing is I think only the supercarrier was on Reach during that time. I'm going to cut this short before I start a "wtf is wrong with Reach" debate.

  • 03.25.2011 7:12 AM PDT

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