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Posted by:Recon Number 54
As part of the Moderator's New Years cleaning initiative and in keeping with the rules, we have been discussing and have nearly all agreed that trolling (and taking troll-bait) is not being responded to with enough..... ninja-ness.

We all know what trolling is. We all know that it's bad. People complain about it, and we're going to do something about it.

Trolls? They get a week off... for starters. If we start to recognize "repeat offenders", well, as I said a week is a "start".

Now, what else are we doing? We're also going to address the folks who give trolls what they are here for..... attention. That's right, we're going to (not because we enjoy it) start giving out blacklists to those who respond to trolls.

Posts like, "I bet this gets locked", "banned in 3...2...1..." and other responses to the obvious attention seekers will get some attention of their own. They too will get a week blacklisting.

Is it fair that they get the same "time out" as the originator of the problem? Probably not. But we've had the rules and advice sticky up at the top of every forum for years now. If members have not read them (and they should), we're not responsible for their failure.

We're going to start treating trolls and flame-baiters like the Flood (the parasitic mega-organism, NOT the Bungie.Net forum). We can attack and kill combat forms, carrier forms and even infection forms. But, just like the Forerunner, we have determined that the only way to kill the Flood is to kill their food. They seek attention, and too many people are giving it to them.

So, what does this boil down to?

If a member sees someone had made a thread that they know violates rules, is going to get locked, or that the member is likely to be blacklisted, members who value their time here have two potential responses.


Stay the hell out of the thread and use the often-overlooked "no reply" button.
or

Report the thread to the moderating team (links in my signature).

Any posts responding to a flame-baiter or troll will get the same punishment as the troll themselves. One week off of the forums. For starters.

Now, this may seem extreme, and maybe a little unfair. The alternative (of following Forerunner protocol) and uniting the Index with The Core and triggering the rings.... well, we're saving that one for really big messes (or the 4th of July, if we've had enough to drink and normal fireworks just aren't "cutting it").

I'm copying this and going to paste it into threads that I consider full of people who would (once this policy/practice begins) who would have been surprised by getting blacklisted themselves. For example, this thread? Lots of people blacklisted. See you post here? Yep, you too!

Tell your friends. And please consider it fair warning. The warnings will not continue forever, or for even very long.


I went through the flood today, and caught a strange string of posts locked, a few for no reason, a few for good reason. Now, from the looks of it I'd say someone, a certain person with powers allowing them to lock such threads, was feeling a bit/a lot vengeful today. Well, here's some of them. And do try to remember, this is the flood "Say your off topic stuff here":

Criticise the poster above you.

Dinosaur attack!

Happy New Year!!!

Xbox 360's Stolen!

Cotton Bowl

How could this happen?! *cries*

And if you are gonna lock threads such as those, then stay consistent and don't just do it to a few and expect that to work. Since when are "one liners" not good enough? Plenty of "Stickied" threads have one to two sentences in them. Some even from you Mods. The flood is the place for 'em. So, if that's gonna hold true and "be the law" on here, kick it into high gear. Since I don't want to see any then in that case on any of the forums. First step if you don't want one liners, remove the bad stickies/posts. Then get rid of all the "Describe the user" posts. And then stay at it for 24 hours, all week. Since it won't just stop.

In all honesty, most posts only need to be one line. A question like this:
"Why aren't one liners good enough on this site anymore?"
That is it. I don't need to write anymore stuff down. Why waste time typing more stuff??? The flood is for off topic stuff. Which opens it up to a lot of junk. That's where it belongs. So if a one lined question in the Septagon or Optimatch is allowed to stay, then someone saying Happy New Year in the flood better dam well hold up. I see no difference in such things.

If you couldn't already tell, someone else was feeling a bit vengeful today as well. I just hate seeing stuff like this on here. If the system isn't broke, then don't fix it. So far, the only people angry at one liners would appear to be those that lock/delete them. Why? What did they do to you? Instead of someone just making that a rule, why not ask the community? Not like it would be that tough. Although, you wouldn't have to waste your time, since I, yourself, and the other members know what the overwhelming majority would be.

  • 01.03.2006 1:52 AM PDT

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If you're gona just use one line, go to a chat room. Forum's are for in depth discussions.

[Edited on 1/3/2006]

  • 01.03.2006 2:23 AM PDT

The mods made it like that so the flood would be more about other video games and "cars" then peoples personal lifes...

  • 01.03.2006 2:25 AM PDT

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And that's the way it should be.

  • 01.03.2006 2:29 AM PDT

Runnnnnn!

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And that's the way it should be.

Yeah,no more of those stupid "MY PARENTS TOOK MY XBOX AWAY" or other similar threads.Your Xbox has been taken away?Nobody cares!

  • 01.03.2006 5:39 AM PDT

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That was mean?

  • 01.03.2006 6:04 AM PDT
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I'm a little glad this is going into effect. Especially for cleaning up forums like Zanzibar and the like.

If you go to Zanzibar, and find a "troll thread," you will often find members say something like: "Banned in 3...2...1..." Just as Recon had in his post. Now those who may think that the creator of the thread doesn't know he is in trouble can just ignore the thread, and laugh at him. Or...he can team up with the creator and buy a timeshare for their vacation.

Let's just say that people don't want to listen when the mods are being nice, so the mods have to make examples to get people to listen. There will be protests, but in the end, they get the final say, and it will help more than it hurts.

[Edited on 1/3/2006]

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Well the one about the 360 was fine but man a thread about dinosoars jeez thats pretty bad, although I could see a one line thread if a guy gave a link to something and said," I don't really agree with what he said about that movie" because the link would tell everything. I think that is what happened to me once cause I posted a link to movie that said h2 took no skill and asked what everywon thought.

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This rule was a long time in coming. I thank the moderators for putting up with my thread yesterday wondering about the rule yesterday, even if they locked it. I'm glad to find it is still being enforced. I shouldn't have to go on to a public forum and here about how tough your life is. To be honest, the fact that you are able to have access to a computer means that life can't be that bad. If you are on a computer you have the ability to change your life so please spare me the suicide threats.

The same with one liners. If you didn't think the topic was worth putting more than 30 seconds of thought into it, what makes you think anyone else wants to read it? It's low content posting.

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Posted by: kd5shw
This rule was a long time in coming. I thank the moderators for putting up with my thread yesterday wondering about the rule yesterday, even if they locked it. I'm glad to find it is still being enforced. I shouldn't have to go on to a public forum and here about how tough your life is. To be honest, the fact that you are able to have access to a computer means that life can't be that bad. If you are on a computer you have the ability to change your life so please spare me the suicide threats.

The same with one liners. If you didn't think the topic was worth putting more than 30 seconds of thought into it, what makes you think anyone else wants to read it? It's low content posting.

Yes, I completly agree with you but if your in my situation when you give a link or something like that, it's not exactly the same as a one liner.

  • 01.03.2006 12:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Biff Justice
If the system isn't broke, then don't fix it. So far, the only people angry at one liners would appear to be those that lock/delete them. Why? What did they do to you? Instead of someone just making that a rule, why not ask the community? Not like it would be that tough. Although, you wouldn't have to waste your time, since I, yourself, and the other members know what the overwhelming majority would be.

Let me tell you right now that I read every forum, but I only post regularly in one or two. I really have no intrest to post in blog threads or threads with games in them. You shouldn't try to compare a population that you can see against a population you can't.

But regardless of whether this rule is suported by a majority or not, the reasons behind the law still stand. One liners are not worth the space they take up on the forum pages. We're getting pushed in the direction of discussions. Namely, Mario Kart DS.

As some have already said, forums are meant for discussions. Discussions need to be more inteligent than "What is your favorite color". You need to have a good topic to discuss and present it in a more professional manner than one sentence without any support.

[Edited on 1/3/2006]

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Posted by: holdthelineNoobs
Yes, I completly agree with you but if your in my situation when you give a link or something like that, it's not exactly the same as a one liner.


If its a link worth posting, you should be able to come up with type of discussion about it. If you can't, maybe its not that interesting. Cool screen name by the way. I like it.

[Edited on 1/3/2006]

  • 01.03.2006 6:34 PM PDT
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I dunno I think I went a little crazy the other day...There are plenty of ways you can have worthwhile topic with just one sentence or two..."look at this cool thing I found. Discuss". So I'm going to lift that rule and replace it with something like...Don't say stupid things. Heh.

  • 01.03.2006 7:33 PM PDT
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Posted by:Shishka
Hey guys. Welcome to Bungie's new off topic forum. Those of you looking for a place to spill your over-filled containers of nonsense, here's the place. This forum is for things not related to Bungie or their games.


So, tell me again your/Bungie's definition to nonsense? As far as I was concerned, nonsense is what it sounds like, non (no) sense. And then we get this new addition to the rules that would seem to contradict the whole meaning to their even being a section called "The Flood":

Posted by: Recon Number 54

BTW:

Off Topic = Not pertaining to Bungie, their games or the fan community

Off Topic ≠ Anything that anyone wants to say
Off Topic ≠ Spam, forum noise, random stream of conciousness crap
Off Topic ≠ Personal journals, diaries, somone bringing us the news that if we wanted it, we could find it.

I'm talking about things that are little more than someone telling me the termperature at their house, or what they had for dinner, or that they have a book report due, or that...... come on! That's not random, that's selfish, pointless and annoying.


I like that last part. How is me telling someone that I ate a Manwich with cheddar on rye in a 95 degree house in Wisconsin not random? Hell, that is really random, as random as you could get. The Flood is supposed to be random, off-topic non-sense!!! Of course there are rules that are adhered to:

Posted by:Shishka
The Flood's Rules:

No petitions.
No religious, or political discussion.
No illegal activities.
Keep flames to a minimum.
No racial or -blam!- slurs.
NO one liners! (rushed topics with only a sentence or two)
No spam (IE, no repeated posting, no high volume/low content posting).
Adhere to Bungie's Code of Conduct and Terms of Use.


Some one-liners are pointless. Some make no sense. But that is what the Flood was made for right??? As for discussion, forums are one giant chat/discussion. Don't believe me? Look it up. Discussing things is what a forum is for. So if it's gonna be what color socks I wear on Tuesdays, then a forum made for nonsense is the place I'm gonna post it.... and they're white, on Tuesday.

So if that's how it's gonna be from now on, change the rules and the whole point to the Flood. Cause by just adding on to them, your rules contradict, overlap, and make no sense to me. But since non-sense isn't allowed anymore, just delete the rules like the rest of the posts. I know I won't notice.


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what annoys me is when there are four threads with the same topic. On the flood today 4, greatest game ever, threads. I don't mean they should be locked, but could people look down 3 lines?

  • 01.04.2006 2:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Biff Justice

(Long, well thought out post ... but no need to repeat it)



Well what I took Recon's words was random stuff is good, but selfish, cry-me-a-river type posts are a waste of space. Hes not contridicting himself, hes saying that "The Flood" is for the posts that are somewhat intelligent or funny, but have nothing to do with Bungie.

For example:

I had a thread started on me betting anyone in the forum that they couldn't fold a piece of paper in half more than 10 times.
Now.... Ima 'tinkin thats a bit wierd and nonsensical. But funny and able to be discussed.

If I posted your example, thats just stuff nobody in there right mind does or should care about. This has almost no real discussion, its not funny, and in general its a waste of space.
So thats why it gets locked.

  • 01.04.2006 3:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Biff Justice

(Long, well thought out post ... but no need to repeat it)



I had a thread started on me betting anyone in the forum that they couldn't fold a piece of paper in half more than 10 times.
Now.... Ima 'tinkin thats a bit wierd and nonsensical. But funny and able to be discussed.
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I didn't repeat anything if you had read both posts. Just added on more reasons as to why eliminating 1 liners is really stupid thinking.

As for your post, it, under the new rules, would be deleted/locked, and you banned. Tell me how that's not going to far? Espically in the flood of all places. I think power goes right to peoples' heads, and they think their word has to be followed no matter what. Good luck on all that, espically on this site. The flood is a place for non-sense. So if that means the mods have a little more work cut out for em, then too bad. Don't like it? Then switch your writing back to baby blue and shut up instead of making a bunch of rules so you don't see the same topic 3 times an hour and a thread about how they got a lot of homework from a bad teacher they call Bob.

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I wish I could argue like Recon... but yeah, the rules were made for a reason, after much debate and deliberation. And they are for the best.

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Aren't you they argumentive one. Well to be fair I was answering the 2nd one, but the first could work also.

This one isn't so long, so I get to quote it.

Posted by: Biff Justice
As for your post, it, under the new rules, would be deleted/locked, and you banned. Tell me how that's not going to far?

No my post wouldn't be locked, for it wasn't a selfish dribble about how my life sucks or is awesome. Instead it was an interactive thing that I asked the community to try out. Nor was it a one liner, because I had atleast 2 paragraphs.

Espically in the flood of all places. I think power goes right to peoples' heads, and they think their word has to be followed no matter what. Good luck on all that, espically on this site.
Thats just asking for a flame war. Some posters would try defend himself by insulting you. Unfortunatly the moderators here were normal members and got promoted because they didn't do that. Please stick to the facts and not theories.

The flood is a place for non-sense. So if that means the mods have a little more work cut out for em, then too bad.
Nonsense and moaning about your life as if it was a blog is 2 different things. If the One liners were allowed, the forums would become rampant with spam. I could bet you the minute that rule gets taken off the charts that some shmuck writes "Hi How Are You Doing Today" and every word would get its own thread.

Don't like it? Then switch your writing back to baby blue and shut up instead of making a bunch of rules so you don't see the same topic 3 times an hour and a thread about how they got a lot of homework from a bad teacher they call Bob.

Again, this is trying to start an insult match. Please try to keep emotion out of debates.

Plus the Moderators would just be volunteers that are picked...and I don't know about you but if I had to work harder on something that I wasn't getting paid to do just so that a couple of people with no lives can spam the crap out of the forums, I definatly would be a tad bit cranky. Not only that, but there are other forum goers who actually like that the Moderators delete those certain threads. I don't want to see them when I'm scanning, so I'd say too bad about the students with Bob the teacher.

Edit: Shoot you got to it first.

[Edited on 1/4/2006]

  • 01.04.2006 8:16 PM PDT

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You shoudl read my sig. That shoudl be a huge banner or something in teh flood. If they dont like it, thats their problem.

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Mr. Kedem missed the crucial part, I think:

Bungie controls everything. You have no rights.

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You have no rights is the best rule for everything. I'm writing my congressman right now. We need a constitutional ammendment fast.

[Edited on 1/5/2006]

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This is bungie's website. They can make whatever rules they see fit. If you want to have a blog, go make a blog in a blog site. If you want to cry a river about your life, find counseling or go to website designed for helping people with life issues. Just because the forum is called the Flood, doesn't mean that everything goes. These comments are not directed at anyone in particular.

  • 01.05.2006 6:41 AM PDT

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