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Subject: CE is limited to slow pace. Restrictions not present in Halo 2.

Halo 2 for Life!

Button combos made reload and firing weapons in H2 way faster. The movement speeds were way faster, either by sword lunging or by person launching, by superbouncing, or normal movement (plus jumping).

It was difficult to do things the fast way in halo 2 the whole game so you had pick and choose when you did them (as you lose some level of control when doing button glitches).

CE = slow all around all the time no way to move or shoot, or reload faster. It was slow and there was no choice in the matter even if you were willing to give up some control for speed like in halo 2.

This is why Halo 2 and CE need remakes.

I'm not here to make friends or enemies I'm here to resolve an issue CE and Halo 2 players have had for a very long time so the right game gets the MP remake (with vast improvements to MP like new maps and some to campaign) and the right game gets the Campaign Remake (with vast improvements to campaign like new levels and co-op over the internet and very little to MP).

halo 2 = best MP ever in a video game ever.
halo ce = best story ever in a video game ever.

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Halo 2 having the best MP ever...? lmfao. Sorry... Halo 2 was seriously the worst halo game out of the entire series. Halo CE had the best Campaign AND multiplayer... the levels were amazing. Halo 2 tried to repeat the glory of Halo CE and failed.

  • 03.25.2011 3:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Adscott27
I like it how people who play Reach do something like go to sleep and people think therefore Reach is losing players.


Posted by: totallymassive
halo ce = best story ever in a video game ever.

Nah that award goes to Mass effect

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  • 03.25.2011 3:23 PM PDT

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Hard heads are Hard. I'm not attempting conflict, if you didn't read my post I will not read it to you.

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So now you're going to troll the Halo forum? This isn't even really the home of your enemies, the Halo PC forum is where they live.

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Posted by: totallymassive
Hard heads are Hard. I'm not attempting conflict, if you didn't read my post I will not read it to you.

Posted by: Dr Syx
So now you're going to troll the Halo forum? This isn't even really the home of your enemies, the Halo PC forum is where they live.
If I came into the Halo 2 forum saying all that stuff about Halo 2, but, put a little disclaimer at the end saying I wasn't trying to cause conflict, would you actually believe me? You basically came into a game's forum and said "This game is great, yours has -blam!- multiplayer". If that's not trying to cause conflict, I don't know what is. It's always seemed to me that you've felt that way towards people who say anything any where near negative about Halo 2.

  • 03.25.2011 3:46 PM PDT

Posted by: totallymassive
Button combos made reload and firing weapons in H2 way faster.

Sure, glitch abuse speeds things up. Halo CE isn't completely devoid of this, though; backpack reloading, for instance, allows for completely sustained fire with some weapon combos.

And in any case, standard damage rates from weapons are far faster in HCE. The pistol can kill in just 3 trigger pulls, and those pulls can cause shots to leave far faster than the Halo 2 BR equivalent. While inneffective against shields, the AR can chew through light armor pretty much instantly. The shotgun fires far faster than the Halo 2 shotgun and has much greater effective range.

The one area where Halo 2 has consistantly more power is in the vehicle section. Halo CE intentionally made its vehicle weapons slightly innacurate to add incentive for more active driving.

The movement speeds were way faster, either by sword lunging or by person launching, by superbouncing, or normal movement (plus jumping).
Actually, technically speaking, Halo CE's movement speeds are lightning fast compared to its successors. Sure, you have some rather abusive glitches in Halo 2 that can speed you up, but for the most part, HCE has quite snappy movement.

CE = slow all around all the time no way to move or shoot, or reload faster. It was slow and there was no choice in the matter even if you were willing to give up some control for speed like in halo 2.
Except that, as I already explained, HCE has faster-executing mechanics anyway. Halo CE's does have difficulties in control at points as well, which naturally arise from hectic gameplay; the hitboxes are much smaller and the reticle magnetism is lower, and in intense combat it is simply difficult to aim on a basic level, which I find to be a completely acceptable situation for an FPS game.

Also, the high damage means that in high-level games, a lot of cat-and-mouse happens. This does result in slow real kill times, but it's extremely intense for everyone involved.

This is why Halo 2 and CE need remakes.
Even if your premises weren't objectively wrong, what about anything you said implies the need for a remake? You've stated facts without exploring their implications.

Are you saying that FPS games should necessarily include mechanics that trade control for speed? Are you saying that making mechanics in-game execute themselves faster is a good thing in all circumstances? If so, in each case, why?

As far as I can tell, you have innacurate premises, and a conclusion that wouldn't follow from your premises (at least the stated ones) even if they were accurate.

[Edited on 03.25.2011 4:06 PM PDT]

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Posted by: JacobGRocks
Yeah, Hitboxing = fail. For example, a certan user from the maw who has never played Halo 2 Xbox online links to this halo 2 bash video (its much less exreme in acutial gameplay) which shows hitboxing, but it also exists in halo 3, which also has unbalanced weps and n00b armor (recon).


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Posted by: totallymassive
Hard heads are Hard. I'm not attempting conflict, if you didn't read my post I will not read it to you.

Posted by: Dr Syx
So now you're going to troll the Halo forum? This isn't even really the home of your enemies, the Halo PC forum is where they live.
If I came into the Halo 2 forum saying all that stuff about Halo 2, but, put a little disclaimer at the end saying I wasn't trying to cause conflict, would you actually believe me? You basically came into a game's forum and said "This game is great, yours has -blam!- multiplayer". If that's not trying to cause conflict, I don't know what is. It's always seemed to me that you've felt that way towards people who say anything any where near negative about Halo 2.

I agree. This is the wrong forum. There's no reason to start trolling this forum, you're starting to act like someone else we all know...

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Posted by: totallymassive
halo ce = best story ever in a video game ever.
I disagree with that.

And you want remakes so that the games are the same speed? There's a reason why there's a 2 at the end of Halo 2. Changes were made.

  • 03.25.2011 5:10 PM PDT

Halo 2 for Life!

I wasn't expecting everyone to understand. That is fine with me. You can twist it anyway your mind likes. What is in OP is what I intended. Discussion is welcomed, talking about me personally isn't welcome and only tarnishes your words.
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Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: totallymassive
Hard heads are Hard. I'm not attempting conflict, if you didn't read my post I will not read it to you.

Posted by: Dr Syx
So now you're going to troll the Halo forum? This isn't even really the home of your enemies, the Halo PC forum is where they live.
If I came into the Halo 2 forum saying all that stuff about Halo 2, but, put a little disclaimer at the end saying I wasn't trying to cause conflict, would you actually believe me? You basically came into a game's forum and said "This game is great, yours has -blam!- multiplayer". If that's not trying to cause conflict, I don't know what is. It's always seemed to me that you've felt that way towards people who say anything any where near negative about Halo 2.

I agree. This is the wrong forum. There's no reason to start trolling this forum, you're starting to act like someone else we all know...

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Posted by: JacobGRocks
Yeah, Hitboxing = fail. For example, a certan user from the maw who has never played Halo 2 Xbox online links to this halo 2 bash video (its much less exreme in acutial gameplay) which shows hitboxing, but it also exists in halo 3, which also has unbalanced weps and n00b armor (recon).


Posted by: totallymassive
I wasn't expecting everyone to understand. That is fine with me. You can twist it anyway your mind likes. What is in OP is what I intended. Discussion is welcomed, talking about me personally isn't welcome and only tarnishes your words.
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Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: totallymassive
Hard heads are Hard. I'm not attempting conflict, if you didn't read my post I will not read it to you.

Posted by: Dr Syx
So now you're going to troll the Halo forum? This isn't even really the home of your enemies, the Halo PC forum is where they live.
If I came into the Halo 2 forum saying all that stuff about Halo 2, but, put a little disclaimer at the end saying I wasn't trying to cause conflict, would you actually believe me? You basically came into a game's forum and said "This game is great, yours has -blam!- multiplayer". If that's not trying to cause conflict, I don't know what is. It's always seemed to me that you've felt that way towards people who say anything any where near negative about Halo 2.

I agree. This is the wrong forum. There's no reason to start trolling this forum, you're starting to act like someone else we all know...

This is a post about Halo 2 on the Halo:CE forum. Explain to me how saying it's the wrong forum is twisting it. Make sense in your posts, you're coming off as an idiot.

  • 03.25.2011 5:56 PM PDT

Halo 2 for Life!

Combate Evolved Forum is for discussing Combate Evolved. That is what I did in the OP, what I would like to see from Combate Evolved and why I would like to see it.

I'm not sure what you think, I have no ability or care to do so. One thing I do know is your words lack respect and they will serve the person that uses them a great dis-service over time.

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This is a post about Halo 2 on the Halo:CE forum. Explain to me how saying it's the wrong forum is twisting it. Make sense in your posts, you're coming off as an idiot.

  • 03.25.2011 8:47 PM PDT

Halo 2 for Life!

Not everything I say is fact lol. Recall most posts in forums are opinions. That also means your expressing an opinion as well though.
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Posted by: totallymassive
halo ce = best story ever in a video game ever.

Nah that award goes to Mass effect

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Posted by: totallymassive
Combate Evolved Forum is for discussing Combate Evolved. That is what I did in the OP, what I would like to see from Combate Evolved and why I would like to see it.

I'm not sure what you think, I have no ability or care to do so. One thing I do know is your words lack respect and they will serve the person that uses them a great dis-service over time.

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This is a post about Halo 2 on the Halo:CE forum. Explain to me how saying it's the wrong forum is twisting it. Make sense in your posts, you're coming off as an idiot.
I'm sorry, but, this is a personal thing when saying this: Every time someone disagrees with you, you think it's personal.

We're not twisting this situation. You coming in here and saying all of this stuff in this forum is exactly like Shock120 or JacobGRocks spamming Halo 2 Noobified everywhere. Anyone can see that the remake excuse was just a cover-up for trashing the game's multiplayer and saying Halo 2's was better. You didn't even mention the remake until your disclaimer. (Right above it, anyways)

[Edited on 03.26.2011 7:57 AM PDT]

  • 03.26.2011 7:57 AM PDT

No. If there's to be remakes, let them stay intact. Give us only a graphical upgrade and xbox live capabilities.

In a way, I couldn't care less about the remakes, but multiplayer is a strong reason why I'd buy them. Also, both games have backward compatibility issues, and I'd rather buy a remake with xbox live than a new xbox console.

  • 03.26.2011 10:41 AM PDT

Halo:CE Had the best multiplayer of all. It was so simplistic that you could play for 10 hours straight ctf up to 100 and still be having fun. Halo 2 got boring much faster but it was still tons of fun, just not as much fun as CE. Halo 3 & Reach are tied for 3rd right now. The reason that they're still fun is because forging gives so much variety that it's almost overkill. The problem is wading through the piles of -blam!- to find the fun. That's my response.

  • 03.26.2011 11:31 AM PDT

Halo 2 for Life!

Using the word you makes me not read what you say. Sorry I only listen to those that talk about what I said and don't talk about me personally nothing against people that do this but it's now a rule I have.

Speak about the points I make and I will listen if I have time.
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Posted by: totallymassive
Combate Evolved Forum is for discussing Combate Evolved. That is what I did in the OP, what I would like to see from Combate Evolved and why I would like to see it.

I'm not sure what you think, I have no ability or care to do so. One thing I do know is your words lack respect and they will serve the person that uses them a great dis-service over time.

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This is a post about Halo 2 on the Halo:CE forum. Explain to me how saying it's the wrong forum is twisting it. Make sense in your posts, you're coming off as an idiot.
I'm sorry, but, this is a personal thing when saying this: Every time someone disagrees with you, you think it's personal.

We're not twisting this situation. You coming in here and saying all of this stuff in this forum is exactly like Shock120 or JacobGRocks spamming Halo 2 Noobified everywhere. Anyone can see that the remake excuse was just a cover-up for trashing the game's multiplayer and saying Halo 2's was better. You didn't even mention the remake until your disclaimer. (Right above it, anyways)

  • 03.26.2011 12:44 PM PDT

Halo 2 for Life!

I agree, remake both. I rather not see alot of effort made for CE MP, but for it's campaign and story. For H2 I'd like to see alot of effort into MP (new maps) and not campaign (no new levels to the story) also online co-op wouldn't be a big deal to me.
Posted by: Evil Johnny
No. If there's to be remakes, let them stay intact. Give us only a graphical upgrade and xbox live capabilities.

In a way, I couldn't care less about the remakes, but multiplayer is a strong reason why I'd buy them. Also, both games have backward compatibility issues, and I'd rather buy a remake with xbox live than a new xbox console.

  • 03.26.2011 12:46 PM PDT

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Recall. Halo 2. It's MP very diverse very simple, very quick, I could have fun for hours no matter the situation. I got bord with CE MP almost right away.

So many things to do and the way speed and control were used to mix up gameplay made for endless uses in stratigy. Everytime I superbounced I traveled large distances very quickly but couldn't control it as I was doing it very well. I was stuck with moving up and couldn't get out of it. The result was going fast but loseing control.


CE might have had a few things right in MP but H2 took those and expanded them in a perfect way and added a verity to game play that challenged the users to come up with new ways each match and challenged them to have fun and work as a team.

CE I felt like I was a long wolf even when playing in a team because it was so stright forward and nothing was by chance but everything was by design.

Very hard to explain.
Posted by: Lethal Hate
Halo:CE Had the best multiplayer of all. It was so simplistic that you could play for 10 hours straight ctf up to 100 and still be having fun. Halo 2 got boring much faster but it was still tons of fun, just not as much fun as CE. Halo 3 & Reach are tied for 3rd right now. The reason that they're still fun is because forging gives so much variety that it's almost overkill. The problem is wading through the piles of -blam!- to find the fun. That's my response.

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Posted by: totallymassive
Recall. Halo 2. It's MP very diverse very simple, very quick, I could have fun for hours no matter the situation. I got bord with CE MP almost right away.

Not my experience at all. The last time I played HCE multiplayer on xbox, it was with several friends and one tiny CRT television; we were able to play nothing but FFA slayer, shotguns/no-shields/50% health for several hours straight, and only stopped because late night had become early morning.

So many things to do and the way speed and control were used to mix up gameplay made for endless uses in stratigy. Everytime I superbounced I traveled large distances very quickly but couldn't control it as I was doing it very well. I was stuck with moving up and couldn't get out of it. The result was going fast but loseing control.
Once again, I'm not sure why you're assuming that mechanical speed/control tradeoffs are an inherintly good thing for gameplay. Greater mechanical complexity doesn't necessarily result in greater gameplay complexity; were that the case, Go wouldn't be so interesting.

To keep a large number of factors under control, developers have to resort to one-dimensional balancing techniques; this is why Halo 3 has 4 weapon that all behave like the SMG in actual combat, and all of which can only be used in exactly one way. Sure, the weapon count is large, but the gameplay variety it spawns compared to its predecessors in default gameplay is pathetic.

And...
CE I felt like I was a long wolf even when playing in a team because it was so stright forward and nothing was by chance but everything was by design.
So... Having a game being deterministic rather than luck-based reduces the emphasis on teamwork? How? Once again, you're drawing conclusions that don't seem related to the premises.

If HCE lacks teamwork emphasis, it's because the skill gap is so large that one highly skilled player can defeat several lesser ones, not because the game isn't a crapshoot.

[Edited on 03.26.2011 2:37 PM PDT]

  • 03.26.2011 2:36 PM PDT

Posted by: Tupolev
If HCE lacks teamwork emphasis, it's because the skill gap is so large that one highly skilled player can defeat several lesser ones, not because the game isn't a crapshoot.
Damn right. This happens all the time on Halo PC.

In CE, teamwork isn't always mandatory to win; it makes a team excel. In every game since, if you don't play as a team, you lose, simple as that. That's not good game design; it doesn't give a chance for individual skill to shine through.

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Posted by: totallymassive
Button combos made reload and firing weapons in H2 way faster. The movement speeds were way faster, either by sword lunging or by person launching, by superbouncing, or normal movement (plus jumping).

It was difficult to do things the fast way in halo 2 the whole game so you had pick and choose when you did them (as you lose some level of control when doing button glitches).

CE = slow all around all the time no way to move or shoot, or reload faster. It was slow and there was no choice in the matter even if you were willing to give up some control for speed like in halo 2.

This is why Halo 2 and CE need remakes.

I'm not here to make friends or enemies I'm here to resolve an issue CE and Halo 2 players have had for a very long time so the right game gets the MP remake (with vast improvements to MP like new maps and some to campaign) and the right game gets the Campaign Remake (with vast improvements to campaign like new levels and co-op over the internet and very little to MP).

halo 2 = best MP ever in a video game ever.
halo ce = best story ever in a video game ever.
And combining the two won't yield the best game ever. You'd have to have separate physics for Campaign and Multiplayer.

  • 03.26.2011 5:15 PM PDT

Posted by: Adscott27
I like it how people who play Reach do something like go to sleep and people think therefore Reach is losing players.


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Posted by: totallymassive
halo ce = best story ever in a video game ever.

Nah that award goes to Mass effect
Posted by: totallymassive
Not everything I say is fact lol. Recall most posts in forums are opinions. That also means your expressing an opinion as well though.

Ok sooooo we can agree to disagree?

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Posted by: totallymassive
Using the word you makes me not read what you say. Sorry I only listen to those that talk about what I said and don't talk about me personally nothing against people that do this but it's now a rule I have.

Speak about the points I make and I will listen if I have time.
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Posted by: totallymassive
Combate Evolved Forum is for discussing Combate Evolved. That is what I did in the OP, what I would like to see from Combate Evolved and why I would like to see it.

I'm not sure what you think, I have no ability or care to do so. One thing I do know is your words lack respect and they will serve the person that uses them a great dis-service over time.

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This is a post about Halo 2 on the Halo:CE forum. Explain to me how saying it's the wrong forum is twisting it. Make sense in your posts, you're coming off as an idiot.
I'm sorry, but, this is a personal thing when saying this: Every time someone disagrees with you, you think it's personal.

We're not twisting this situation. You coming in here and saying all of this stuff in this forum is exactly like Shock120 or JacobGRocks spamming Halo 2 Noobified everywhere. Anyone can see that the remake excuse was just a cover-up for trashing the game's multiplayer and saying Halo 2's was better. You didn't even mention the remake until your disclaimer. (Right above it, anyways)
The second part of that post wasn't personal. I'm discussing your original post.

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This thread reminds me of something that JacobG would post in the Halo 2 forum. At least you did say one good thing about CE though.

Don't sink down to JacobG's level.

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