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Subject: Truth's fleet could not of destroyed Earth's defenses.

The events at the ark took place after Truth's fleet had invaded Earth. Ir is logical that maybe only 30 ships from Truth's fleet survived the fight and traveled through the portal. Also, on the MACs, not all of them can be aimed at the fleet because they are scattered throughout Earth's atmosphere.

[Edited on 03.25.2011 9:33 PM PDT]

  • 03.25.2011 9:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
The Forerunner Dreadnought obliterated everything.
Observe


This is exactly what I'm talking about. No way in hell MAC rounds are taking that thing out.
OP, this answers your question.

  • 03.25.2011 9:40 PM PDT

maybe the 3 platforms in halo 2 were the only ones in the main battle. they do have to be spread out over all of Earth.

  • 03.25.2011 9:44 PM PDT

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Are we forgetting Halo 2...?

The In amber clad (Infected) used a precise slipspace jump to get INSIDE High charity. The covenant could do the same thing, right through the hole left by regrets fleet.

  • 03.26.2011 1:00 AM PDT

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A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
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There were supposed to be 300 SMAC platforms in orbit around Earth.
At the very least, 100 would be on the correct side of the planet to engage Regret's fleet.

The Athens, the Malta and Cairo station presented a single battlegroup, and was defended by 68 Frigates and 8 Marathon-class Cruisers.

If we assume that every three ODPs had the same defensive fleet, and then patrols on top of that...
WTF?

15 ships, none of which would have been able to survive a single SMAC impact, were able to run a gauntlet of a defensive fleet 500 times their size and against probably 100 super-accurate, super-powerful SMAC stations, of which only 76 ships and 3 SMAC stations engaged the Covenant.
That should still have been far more than enough to destroy them. Cairo station fires once every 5 seconds, and this is seen in the Halo 2 level.
Yet all but 13 of the rounds fired by all 3 stations were misses?

I call total BS.Posted by: Multijirachi
Are we forgetting Halo 2...?

The In amber clad (Infected) used a precise slipspace jump to get INSIDE High charity. The covenant could do the same thing, right through the hole left by regrets fleet.
I don't believe that either.
I believe that the reason UNSC translight engines are random in trajectory and Covenant/Forerunner engines are precise is based entirely on how they function, which are fundamentally different to each other.

That transition must have been nothing but total luck.

[Edited on 03.26.2011 1:49 AM PDT]

  • 03.26.2011 1:46 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Like some others in this thread said.Those 30 ships were the SURVIVORS of the battle means hundreds of others were destroyed.

Is it so difficult to understand this?

And the Keyship curbstombed the rest of the defenses

  • 03.26.2011 2:38 AM PDT

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The Keyship didn't need weapons, it ploughed through Earth's defences and (as Miranda states) simply smashed through the Home Fleet.

  • 03.26.2011 4:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
The Keyship didn't need weapons, it ploughed through Earth's defences and (as Miranda states) simply smashed through the Home Fleet.
This.

We know that foreunner alloy is very very durable so it doesn't surprise me that it could pretty much walk to Earths doorstep with no damage.

Plasma would be most effective agasint the forerunner ship, Ballistics won't put a dent in that alloy, i don't even thing a SMAC could do it.

  • 03.26.2011 5:35 AM PDT

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Win.

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Posted by: ajw34307
The Keyship didn't need weapons, it ploughed through Earth's defences and (as Miranda states) simply smashed through the Home Fleet.
This.

We know that foreunner alloy is very very durable so it doesn't surprise me that it could pretty much walk to Earths doorstep with no damage.

Plasma would be most effective agasint the forerunner ship, Ballistics won't put a dent in that alloy, i don't even thing a SMAC could do it.
An SMAC has equivalent impact energy to a 5 gigaton TNT detonation.
It would do something, even if 71-kiloton detonation equivalent impacts from standard ship MACs don't.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ajw34307
The Keyship didn't need weapons, it ploughed through Earth's defences and (as Miranda states) simply smashed through the Home Fleet.
This.

We know that foreunner alloy is very very durable so it doesn't surprise me that it could pretty much walk to Earths doorstep with no damage.

Plasma would be most effective agasint the forerunner ship, Ballistics won't put a dent in that alloy, i don't even thing a SMAC could do it.
An SMAC has equivalent impact energy to a 5 gigaton TNT detonation.
It would do something, even if 71-kiloton detonation equivalent impacts from standard ship MACs don't.


I still don't think it would do anything, and even if it did all it would do is flicker the shields (assuming they weren't removed).

If a single forerunner ship can wipe out an entire Elite fleet using hit and run tactics, i don't think even if it went head on with a SMAC anything hollywood like would happen.
And after having Cryptums knowledge on how Forerunner ships operate im am sure after the first hit the ship would change configuration to lessen the amount of damage a SMAC would do (if it could even land a first or secound shot)

  • 03.26.2011 6:10 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Firing an SMAC against a Forerunner ship is like throwing spears ti a UNSC cruiser.

It wob't do anything.Forerunners are so many levels above the covies and Humans.

  • 03.26.2011 6:17 AM PDT
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Firing an SMAC against a Forerunner ship is like throwing spears ti a UNSC cruiser.

It wob't do anything.Forerunners are so many levels above the covies and Humans.


My point exactly.

  • 03.26.2011 6:27 AM PDT

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Humans don't do well.

  • 03.26.2011 6:34 AM PDT

Regret's Fleet
-2 Assault Carriers
-Regret's Carrier
-13 CCS-class Battlecruisers
-Pious Inquisitor (pre-Great Schism)
-Seraphs

Fleet of Furious Redemption

Truth's Fleet
-Forerunner Dreadnought
-At least 3 Assault Carriers and at least 27 CCS-class Battlecruisers planetside over Kenya
-Bloodied Spirit
-Harbinger of Piety

  • 03.26.2011 6:49 AM PDT

Ever consider the possibility it was a stalemate that Truth broke through eventually? Or that Regret's fleet disabled the ODP's generators? Or that Truth had hundreds upon hundreds of ships but the UNSC and the SMACs widdled them down to 30?

  • 03.26.2011 7:29 AM PDT


Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ajw34307
The Keyship didn't need weapons, it ploughed through Earth's defences and (as Miranda states) simply smashed through the Home Fleet.
This.

We know that foreunner alloy is very very durable so it doesn't surprise me that it could pretty much walk to Earths doorstep with no damage.

Plasma would be most effective agasint the forerunner ship, Ballistics won't put a dent in that alloy, i don't even thing a SMAC could do it.
An SMAC has equivalent impact energy to a 5 gigaton TNT detonation.
It would do something, even if 71-kiloton detonation equivalent impacts from standard ship MACs don't.


I read it was 56 gigatons but oh well.

Point being, the Forerunner alloy--or at least ship alloy--is extremely strong, that's for sure. It simply does not break. Think Wolverine: Its even called adamantium. Trying to break that with a MAC could be compared to trying to break a 30 foot diamond with a .44 magnum.

  • 03.26.2011 7:33 AM PDT


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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
The Forerunner Dreadnought obliterated everything.
Observe


This is exactly what I'm talking about. No way in hell MAC rounds are taking that thing out.
OP, this answers your question.

Read Contact Harvest. The Dreadnought is weaponless. I've pointed this out multiple times before.

  • 03.26.2011 8:37 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
The Keyship didn't need weapons, it ploughed through Earth's defences and (as Miranda states) simply smashed through the Home Fleet.

As I stated earlier, I am talking about the Covenant Ships in Truth's Fleet, not the Dreadnought.

  • 03.26.2011 8:40 AM PDT

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The Dreadnought probably just blew through, but Truth's Fleet probably engaged a large number of UNSC ships and MAC platforms, completely decimating most of the Covenant ships, at which that point they were probably like "-blam!- this" and just punched through to Earth.

I refuse to believe humanity lost when the had 300 weapons capable of causing a planet-wide extinction and a home fleet of multiple heavy-tonnage cruisers and a swarm of Frigates.

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Posted by: ajw34307
The Keyship didn't need weapons, it ploughed through Earth's defences and (as Miranda states) simply smashed through the Home Fleet.

As I stated earlier, I am talking about the Covenant Ships in Truth's Fleet, not the Dreadnought.


There are factors and variables you have to take into account not just think of a head on battle of 30 ships VS SMAC grid.


Regrets initial Engagement Atleast 3 Mac platforms were destroyed along with the Cario Taking damage. That Punched a hole in the perimeter that allowed Regret and his forces to land on Earth. This is known as the first battle of Earth.

In between the first and secound battle (GoO) we know that Blue team had been deployed on several grounside ops, one of which was destroying a space tether to a Mac grid. The covenant Are dominating in space and the UNSC is depending on reinforcements and hit and run tactics to hold them off.
This is also when the Covenant civil war takes place, which also has elite and brute ships engaging each other aswell as the humans in orbit.


The secound battle of Earth is where the ending of halo 2 takes place, With Truth's fleet of 30 ships attacking Earth and here is where i explain some events.


- Majority of High charitys fleet was split in 2 by the civil war, which had brutes and elites fighting splitting the covenant forces in half.

- When the flood broke out it turned into a 3 sided war. The elites and brutes kept fighting but also had to contain the flood to installation 5, though some let thier ships get infected.


Those events are the cause for Truths few Reinforcements, the hole punched in by regret allowed the ships a clear passage to the surface. Even then most did an in-atmospheric jump to deploy troops and avoided space completly, focusing only on the portal. They fought the UNSC in space for fun.

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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
The Forerunner Dreadnought obliterated everything.
Observe


This is exactly what I'm talking about. No way in hell MAC rounds are taking that thing out.
OP, this answers your question.

Read Contact Harvest. The Dreadnought is weaponless. I've pointed this out multiple times before.

Do you see the sheer SIZE of that thing? It doesn't need to shoot anything, it just needs to turn them all into roadkill.

  • 03.26.2011 10:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ajw34307
The Keyship didn't need weapons, it ploughed through Earth's defences and (as Miranda states) simply smashed through the Home Fleet.
This.

We know that foreunner alloy is very very durable so it doesn't surprise me that it could pretty much walk to Earths doorstep with no damage.

Plasma would be most effective agasint the forerunner ship, Ballistics won't put a dent in that alloy, i don't even thing a SMAC could do it.
An SMAC has equivalent impact energy to a 5 gigaton TNT detonation.
It would do something, even if 71-kiloton detonation equivalent impacts from standard ship MACs don't.
Fair point, don't SMACs have hundreds of times more power than nukes?

  • 03.26.2011 10:13 AM PDT

OP, like some other people stated in the thread. Those 30 ships are just survivors of the previous engagement. I mean if you got a big ass forerunner dreadnaught leadin the chaarge, nothin could stop it.

  • 03.26.2011 10:17 AM PDT


Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: The Seraphim
The picture of the Super MAC's at Reach are identical to those at Earth. Johnson specifically states that they are Super MAC's in Halo 2.


Curious. What picture are you referring to? And second no he did not. All Johnson literally said was that that "MAC gun could punch a hole clean through a Covenant Capital Ship". Nowhere in his lines does he specify or imply that it's a Super MAC, and it was already established beforehand in fiction that a normal ship based MAC can potentially gut a cruiser stem to stern if its shields are down and shot at the right angle.


I don't think he would have said that if it was a normal MAC Cannon. Look at the size of the barrel and the size of the rounds being fed into it. Far larger then anything ship-mounted.

Also, the Covenant deployed large numbers of boarding craft to get in the super MACs before the ships approached the line.

  • 03.26.2011 10:36 AM PDT

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