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Subject: Brutes and Elites

I like to play Devil's Advocate

Who needs to debate brutes and elites, when we can make incredibly Morbid jokes

Morbid jokes unite everyone

[Edited on 03.27.2011 11:06 PM PDT]

  • 03.27.2011 11:04 PM PDT

Posted by: Cubanpete24
Who needs to debate brutes and elites, when we can make incredibly Morbid jokes

Morbid jokes unite everyone


These have nothing to do with Halo!

To Answer the joke, the "quarter"back. XD

  • 03.27.2011 11:07 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

I was going to pick apart the OP but seeing the state of the thread I ain't going to bother.

It would be like walking into a fashion beauty contest eating a cheeseburger.

  • 03.27.2011 11:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Naked Crook

Posted by: Metroidman42
you seem to start arguments on most of the threads that "are against Brutes".


It's called the free exchange of ideas you communist.

And "that thread" was pretty much one sided. I came in with a counter-point and that's how ideas are exchanged. This is how life works.

But yes...abandon thread.


My thread was not one sided in the least, it was a thread asking people their opinion of the Brutes. You came in looking to start a fight, which you successfully managed to do :P

  • 03.28.2011 11:34 AM PDT
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Oh no...it was very one sided. I explained this. People making claims without backing them up.

"Brutes suck" they said.

"Why?" I asked.

And there was no answer.

One sided. But the moment I attacked the bandwagon...well...that was a heinous crime.

But Anton...I still want to hear you pick apart the OP. Please do.

  • 03.28.2011 11:44 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Metroidman42
Brutes and Elites have the same physical strength,

Nope. Brutes are actually much stronger and faster.

Posted by: Metroidman42
Elites have always thought the Humans as honorable,

Depends entierly on what Sangheili are in question. Some like Jora 'Konaree were ignorant fools, whilst others like Zharn demonstrated respect and intelligence. However this is in no way a universal quality.

Posted by: Metroidman42
Elites have honor, grace, and respect for their opponents, in Halo:Legends(which is Canon and has a lot of artistic interpretation) in the Package the red Elite(presumably Thel Vadam) gives Master Chief a ENERGY SWORD to make the fight fair and an honorable victory.

Again this depends on the groups/individuals.

Honour for a Sangheili is not Human Honour; They are Aliens. So put all the connotations of Human Honour out your head. No one knows what the Sangheili view as Honour as we have not been told in depth. All we know is that they have a moral and disciplinary code (Or codes) that they as a species hold in high regard.

Also, that was not Thel 'Vadam, it was Thel 'Lodamee.

Posted by: Metroidman42
Albeit Elites did hold Noble Six down and beat him to death after greatly weakening him emotionally and physically, this may have been a ritual of some sort.

No evidence to suggest this "ritual". These guys were bad apples.

Threads like these bring Sangheili fans a bad name. It is no wonder to me now as to why people think that we are blithering 14 year olds. This is another example of generalising all the cool things amongst them all whilst downplaying the negative qualities. That is not being a fan, that is being a fanboy.

Really though, it is like: "What do you like better: Apples or Oranges?"

Brutes and Elites are the same type of scenario. Taste in fruit is completely subjective, as is a persons tendency to relate to a particular race. So Naked Crook, people really do not have to justify why they like one over the other. Only if it is an opinion based on fallacy, like above, does it matter. You would not accept the reasoning of "I like Oranges better because Apples are poisonous".

  • 03.28.2011 12:17 PM PDT

"Concise and devoid of elegance...what I have come to expect from human communication"-Endless Summer

I will admit I was in a mountain dew filled rage when I made this thread.

  • 03.28.2011 8:16 PM PDT

52,000 kills in Halo 2 and more legendary playthroughs in CE than you can imagine. I am truly a God.
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Sangheili have honour, the Jiralhanae are pack creatures who have an Alpha male personality.

Sangheili are better warriors.

[Edited on 03.28.2011 8:27 PM PDT]

  • 03.28.2011 8:25 PM PDT

52,000 kills in Halo 2 and more legendary playthroughs in CE than you can imagine. I am truly a God.
.................................,-;;-=-,_____
,-------------------------.___/-----i````````'\--`\ .
|-------------xvxvxvxvxvxv--o-~~~~~~o--,\======
|_______|_o_./``/--/`;````~----------------~`
....................../_/`` BR-55


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Metroidman42
Brutes and Elites have the same physical strength,

Nope. Brutes are actually much stronger and faster.


Elites are WAY faster than Brutes! What are you on about?

Elites are very strong, Brutes are stronger, Brutes are smart Elites are smarter because they rely less on strength and simple brute force tactics than the simple minded Brutes, Brutes are Agile, Elites are far more Agile.

If you are trying to use First Strike as reference that means almost nothing. Play Halo 3 and for the love of God go play Reach, and read the majority of cannon for evedence to back my statements,

[Edited on 03.28.2011 8:34 PM PDT]

  • 03.28.2011 8:33 PM PDT

I like to play Devil's Advocate

If you were just in some mountain Dew Rage....

Then I believe an apology is in order....

for the "certain person"

  • 03.28.2011 8:43 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Metroidman42
Brutes and Elites have the same physical strength,

Nope. Brutes are actually much stronger and faster.

Posted by: Metroidman42
Elites have always thought the Humans as honorable,

Depends entierly on what Sangheili are in question. Some like Jora 'Konaree were ignorant fools, whilst others like Zharn demonstrated respect and intelligence. However this is in no way a universal quality.

Posted by: Metroidman42
Elites have honor, grace, and respect for their opponents, in Halo:Legends(which is Canon and has a lot of artistic interpretation) in the Package the red Elite(presumably Thel Vadam) gives Master Chief a ENERGY SWORD to make the fight fair and an honorable victory.

Again this depends on the groups/individuals.

Honour for a Sangheili is not Human Honour; They are Aliens. So put all the connotations of Human Honour out your head. No one knows what the Sangheili view as Honour as we have not been told in depth. All we know is that they have a moral and disciplinary code (Or codes) that they as a species hold in high regard.

Also, that was not Thel 'Vadam, it was Thel 'Lodamee.

Posted by: Metroidman42
Albeit Elites did hold Noble Six down and beat him to death after greatly weakening him emotionally and physically, this may have been a ritual of some sort.

No evidence to suggest this "ritual". These guys were bad apples.

Threads like these bring Sangheili fans a bad name. It is no wonder to me now as to why people think that we are blithering 14 year olds. This is another example of generalising all the cool things amongst them all whilst downplaying the negative qualities. That is not being a fan, that is being a fanboy.

Really though, it is like: "What do you like better: Apples or Oranges?"

Brutes and Elites are the same type of scenario. Taste in fruit is completely subjective, as is a persons tendency to relate to a particular race. So Naked Crook, people really do not have to justify why they like one over the other. Only if it is an opinion based on fallacy, like above, does it matter. You would not accept the reasoning of "I like Oranges better because Apples are poisonous".


Well said, Anton, well said, though I don't entirely agree with you on the issue of the Elites killing Noble Six, but everything else I see nothing to disagree with, again, well said.

  • 03.28.2011 8:50 PM PDT


Posted by: Elite assassin 1

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Metroidman42
Brutes and Elites have the same physical strength,

Nope. Brutes are actually much stronger and faster.


Elites are WAY faster than Brutes! What are you on about?

Elites are very strong, Brutes are stronger, Brutes are smart Elites are smarter because they rely less on strength and simple brute force tactics than the simple minded Brutes, Brutes are Agile, Elites are far more Agile.

If you are trying to use First Strike as reference that means almost nothing. Play Halo 3 and for the love of God go play Reach, and read the majority of cannon for evedence to back my statements,


I don't really think it matter which one is faster, they have different kinds of speed anyway, I'm not sure if I'm right or not, but Brutes seem more like they'd be extremely fast sprinters, though not able to maintain it for very long, Elites strike me more as the marathon runner type, not necessarily fast, but more longwinded when it comes to running. I definitely agree on the Elites being much more agile though.

There's a reason why they jump and dodge every whichway in CE and Reach so easily. Brutes, while they are still agile, are built more like tanks. I view it kinda like the difference between a boxer and a football player, the boxer will be quicker on his feet and a little more agile than the football player, but the football player will still be pretty agile, though built more for smashing through opposition, like a Brute would be.

[Edited on 03.28.2011 8:57 PM PDT]

  • 03.28.2011 8:54 PM PDT

"Concise and devoid of elegance...what I have come to expect from human communication"-Endless Summer


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Elite assassin 1

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Metroidman42
Brutes and Elites have the same physical strength,

Nope. Brutes are actually much stronger and faster.


Elites are WAY faster than Brutes! What are you on about?

Elites are very strong, Brutes are stronger, Brutes are smart Elites are smarter because they rely less on strength and simple brute force tactics than the simple minded Brutes, Brutes are Agile, Elites are far more Agile.

If you are trying to use First Strike as reference that means almost nothing. Play Halo 3 and for the love of God go play Reach, and read the majority of cannon for evedence to back my statements,


I don't really think it matter which one is faster, they have different kinds of speed anyway, I'm not sure if I'm right or not, but Brutes seem more like they'd be extremely fast sprinters, though not able to maintain it for very long, Elites strike me more as the marathon runner type, not necessarily fast, but more longwinded when it comes to running. I definitely agree on the Elites being much more agile though.

There's a reason why they jump and dodge every whichway in CE and Reach so easily. Brutes, while they are still agile, are built more like tanks. I view it kinda like the difference between a boxer and a football player, the boxer will be quicker on his feet and a little more agile than the football player, but the football player will still be pretty agile, though built more for smashing through opposition, like a Brute would be.


this is true

  • 03.28.2011 9:03 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Elite assassin 1
Elites are WAY faster than Brutes! What are you on about?

Elites are very strong, Brutes are stronger, Brutes are smart Elites are smarter because they rely less on strength and simple brute force tactics than the simple minded Brutes, Brutes are Agile, Elites are far more Agile.

If you are trying to use First Strike as reference that means almost nothing. Play Halo 3 and for the love of God go play Reach, and read the majority of cannon for evedence to back my statements,

Sounds like a Special Pleading argument and a Cherry-Picking argument to me.

1: Until you provide proper justification as to exactly why First Strike "means nothing" then this is just a special pleading argument and is irrelevant. First Strike has as much weight as anything else in canon. I suspect that you would not hesitate for a second to use it to justify a positive about the Elites. Also, why are you telling me to go and "read the majority of canon"? You just told me that First Strike "means nothing". Is this some sort of double standard with you or something? Which leads to point 2.

2: You tell me to go and play Halo 3 and Reach, which feature Brutes as being slower and less effective than Elites, however you conveniently exclude Halo 2 in which Brutes are shown to be the opposite; where a berserking Brute would nail an Elite. This is just cherry-picking, as was selectively dismissing First Strike and then telling me to "read the majority of canon".

Well I can tell you I have read all of the written canon and I have seen nothing, to the best of my memory, that suggests that Elites are faster than Brutes. However there is evidence that Brutes are faster than Elites.

Halo 3 and Reach conclusions are gameplay and fan service and you know it. Elites in the novels are a lot better than they are in the games. I tear through Elites like wet tissue paper in the games. Your argument also puts them down a notch or two. It is also my understanding that Spartans can survive 10 metre falls, unlike gameplay.

Doisac has a gravitational field strength of 2G. Sanghelios has a field strength of 1.3G. The Brutes are used to constantly being on a higher gravity environment than Elites, which means that it makes sense for them to be faster. Considering that you so hastily omitted First Strike, I trust that you know exactly what it says about the Brutes so I will not elaborate there.

Posted by: Elite assassin 1
Brutes are smart Elites are smarter because they rely less on strength and simple brute force tactics than the simple minded Brutes

This is relavant to what I originally said, how?

Posted by: Elite assassin 1
and read the majority of cannon for evedence to back my statements,

It is not my own nor anybody else's responsibly to present evidence for your argument. It is, funnily enough, your own.

[Edited on 03.29.2011 3:33 PM PDT]

  • 03.29.2011 6:59 AM PDT

Posted by: Cubanpete24
Like elites have never killed innocent people....

So glassing planets hasn't killed anyone?

This.

  • 03.29.2011 8:44 AM PDT

It's really rather silly to argue over which fictional character is superior. Not sure why some people cling so feverishly to either side.

Besides that, who really cares? It's a matter of PREFERENCE, not FACT.

  • 03.29.2011 10:31 AM PDT


Posted by: Scarabs FTW
It's really rather silly to argue over which fictional character is superior. Not sure why some people cling so feverishly to either side.

Besides that, who really cares? It's a matter of PREFERENCE, not FACT.


I agree that arguing over which is better is rather silly, I don't think arguing about them though is silly, as I've seen comments that are quite wrong coming from both sides. I don't think either Elites or Brutes are perfect, my preference is for the Elites though. But to each his own, though if you make stupid comments about either side I will do my best to try and set you straight :P

  • 03.29.2011 3:24 PM PDT

I'm not sure what you're looking for.

"Reckless words pierce like a sword, but the tongue of the wise brings healing" -- Proverbs 12:18

On a comparison to brutes, elites are like the people who are weak, but intelligent. Brutes are those hulking guys who just want to smash stuff. Elites can outsmart them, but when a small guy fights a weight lifter point blank, the weight guy is going to win.

Horrible comparison isn't it? I work to make people head-desk.

  • 03.29.2011 3:31 PM PDT

"Concise and devoid of elegance...what I have come to expect from human communication"-Endless Summer

I don't like one better than the other if thats what you're implying.

  • 03.29.2011 9:27 PM PDT

I Like Grunts!

  • 03.30.2011 2:18 PM PDT

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