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I think a lot of the Gravemind's lines in Halo 3, or just some of his lines in general, make a whole lot more sense interpreting it this way. Like for instance one of his first lines to Chief when John first enters High Charity in Halo 3 "Child of my enemies why have you come? I offer no forgiveness, the sins of the father pass to his son." or even his iconic "I am a monument to all your sins." line make a lot of sense with the Precursor and Gravemind being the same entity.


Don't forget "I have Listened through rock, and metal, and time."



Indeed, or his last line in the series "Resignation is my virtue; like water I ebb, and flow. Defeat is simply the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved... but you imposed." Sounds like some a Prisoner ;) would say if you ask me.


Yup and there is no doubt his consiouness survived the Halo ring.He survived the array activation,the prisoner/mind survived a Halo ring on Charum hakkor.

I wonder how we can defeat the gravemind for good,i smell an intresting plot for Halo 4.
I don't think the Prisoner is invulnerable to halos. In Cryptum it is mentioned that the Prphets created a time bolt around the Prisoner. It never mentions what a time bolt is but I think it may have protected the Prisoner from the Halo.
Edit: Didact also says : " Something [The Prisoner] the Precursors left behind long ago."
This could imply that the Prisoner is not a Precursor because why would the Precursors leave behind one of their own?

[Edited on 05.11.2011 2:27 PM PDT]

  • 05.11.2011 2:20 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

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Mendicant Bias number is 05-032.Spark's number is 04-343.

I think it's safe to say Bias commanded 05.

This was noticed by Roberto


2401 Penitent Tangent "commanded" Installation 05

Bias was a Contender class ancilla "designed to control some of the installations,"

"also given the power, in emergencies, to coordinate the entire galaxy's response to attack"

but we all now how that turned out...


One of the 12 rings was his.

2401 was probably Mendicants second in command.


^This.

Or it could be in the case of like if a superior officer comes onboard a lower ranking officers ship. The superior ranked officer has control of the situation and such, but it would still be the lower ranking officer's ship, even if he wasn't in command.

If it's anything like that, then Mendicant may just have the "05" in his number because he was given temporary charge of Delta Halo. I think it's more likely that if it was Delta Halo that he had disappeared with that Tangent is most likely simply next in the chain of command and that it wasn't really his ring per-se.


To support my own theory about 05 MB, I remember recently reading that the Halo Encyclopedia does not rule out the possibility the AI controllers over the Halos can shift. I'll try to find the exact quote.

BRB

Edit: That didn't take long.

"The Halo Array was maintained by a set of monitors and possibly other artificial intelligences "

This implies the possibility 2401 wasn't always the head of Installation 05. And plus, the Prisoner's Halo HAD to have survived the battle of the captol world because if not, the only other currently possible option is the Prisoner died.

He wasn't protected by any kind of Precursor armor or the Precursor prison anymore, so being a biological entity (supposedly) he would have been killed by the Forerunners.

And its clear his role in this is not done. "I have a new master"

--Medicant Bias, Cryptum.



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  • 05.11.2011 2:25 PM PDT

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My interpretation when I read cryptum was that the prisoner and gravemind were one and the same. I also read into it that the firing of Installastion 05 at Charum Hakkor somehow managed to break through all the defences surrounding the prisoner (Gravemind) and release him.

[Edited on 05.11.2011 3:18 PM PDT]

  • 05.11.2011 3:17 PM PDT
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as i have said, will say, and will say again.
I am preTty certain tHat the captive Is indeed free somewhere, and being as the flood i firmly believe to be a precurSor creation i float this idea


THE captive is still what he is whereAbouts unknown.
however seeing as precursors use neural technology it is not a Big jump to asSume that the captive cOntrols or links to any flood that creates a gravemind and is litrally hosting that form from a distance.
The fact precUrsor ships/ruins are sTill assembled leads me to think the captive is still alive,

so is the capTive a gravemind? he is the masteR gravemind, the server if yoU will, the router of all! i Think halo 4 will explore this, the MC might even have to try and kill it, that will be one Hell of a boss fight, The flood are still about, i dont believe for one minute that they are all wiped out. i also think like any network there are multiple graveminds dotted about, all extensions of the master server the captive. Halo 4 Will be epic beyond all imagining!

  • 05.11.2011 3:53 PM PDT
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Reading all these lines from the Gravemind is strangly bringing the memory of The Mummy to mind, where Imhotep is dying he says "Death is only the begining", then in the next movie he comes back to life as a threat again

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as i have said, will say, and will say again.
I am preTty certain tHat the captive Is indeed free somewhere, and being as the flood i firmly believe to be a precurSor creation i float this idea


THE captive is still what he is whereAbouts unknown.
however seeing as precursors use neural technology it is not a Big jump to asSume that the captive cOntrols or links to any flood that creates a gravemind and is litrally hosting that form from a distance.
The fact precUrsor ships/ruins are sTill assembled leads me to think the captive is still alive,

so is the capTive a gravemind? he is the masteR gravemind, the server if yoU will, the router of all! i Think halo 4 will explore this, the MC might even have to try and kill it, that will be one Hell of a boss fight, The flood are still about, i dont believe for one minute that they are all wiped out. i also think like any network there are multiple graveminds dotted about, all extensions of the master server the captive. Halo 4 Will be epic beyond all imagining!


As I said on the last page, I think there are a few problems with taking the Prisoner at his word, not least the poor performance of the initial Flood as a bioweapon. And the fact that if it was supposed to be directed at the Forerunner it was done very badly, relying on far too much luck to get started.

I may be being a bit suspicious because I've just read Matter by Iain M. Banks, (exellent sci-fi author) and the prisoner reminded me of a character in that book.

*SPOILERS FOR MATTER*


In the book some miners find a damaged and dismantled ancient machine/consciousness, and try to talk to it. They use a number of methods to try to communicate including "enabler" machines from a civilisation well above their tech level, which are basically vast databases of language/cultural stuff. It learns their language but also learns a lot more about them, including the fact they revere the Involucra, an ancient vanished race who built the artificial world these people live on.
To cut a long story short, it tells them it is an Involucra sentient machine, housing Involucra minds, but it was broken by their great enemy the Iln. It asks them to repair it and they of course agree (A living(ish) Involucra! Of course Great One! :p )
Turns out it lied.
It is actually an Iln war machine, and the moment they bring it all it's bits it reassembles and smites them all, then proceeds to try and complete it's eons-old mission of destroying the Involucra Shell-World.

*END SPOILERS*


I think this situation could be similar to the Prisoner's. The Humans thought it a Precursor before it spoke to Didact, it could have decided that was a good thing to be thought.
It is noteable that the Humans changed their minds about it, and then fully locked it down again.

  • 05.12.2011 5:56 AM PDT
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how can people who can accelerate life get beat by people who can't do anything like that

  • 05.12.2011 6:25 AM PDT
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how can people who can accelerate life get beat by people who can't do anything like that


Easy.
Quantify "accelerate life", then compare it to "destroy all complex life in the galaxy".
I don't see any tactical or strategic benifit to being able to mess around with evolution, except in the very long term.

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how can people who can accelerate life get beat by people who can't do anything like that


same way the Romans got beat by the German tribes and how other technological superior peoples were beat by lower peoples in history.

I don;t understand how that is hard to understand unless you didn't by attention in school or you are very young and haven't learned about that yet.

That logic is like saying "since north korea can build nukes they are strong as everybody else".

  • 05.12.2011 8:14 AM PDT

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First off I completely agree with Fin5434p's 4th idea, and my ideas follow that. I think thats why they found the flood in the capsules, it was missed when the prisoner was imprisoned and the precursors cleaned up his mess. He way or may not be a precursor (possibly the builder of the ships the flood was found on). But if this is right than he could never unwillingly be the gravemind because he would have the knowledge if not the ability to make himself immune to the flood. Spartans, ex. Johnson, are immune so how hard would it have been for him to do. He could have chosen to become one, and that really is the only option. Also we don't know his hight exactly, Didact does give us a height but also says that there are walkways and a clear observation floor above the prisoner, so he's only big and nowhere near the graveminds stature. Also MB was the overseer of the rings not a monitor, he only took over the rings when they needed to be fired, monitors only monitored. Remember in CE 343 couldn't activate the ring without the chiefs help due to safeguards, safeguards MB didn't have to follow. Didact describes the prisoner like a sea scorpion, look it up and you'll realize that other than a resemblance in mouth shape there is noting in common with the gravemind physically. This change if it occurred could also parallel a mental one given the increased mass turing what would start of as the prisoner into something much greater. This would go along with a willing transformation to become godlike on the prisoners part but due to the addition of mass and memories of others can we really call the gravemind the prisoner even if his mind is somewhat intact?

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First off I completely agree with Fin5434p's 4th idea, and my ideas follow that. I think thats why they found the flood in the capsules, it was missed when the prisoner was imprisoned and the precursors cleaned up his mess. He way or may not be a precursor (possibly the builder of the ships the flood was found on). But if this is right than he could never unwillingly be the gravemind because he would have the knowledge if not the ability to make himself immune to the flood. Spartans, ex. Johnson, are immune so how hard would it have been for him to do. He could have chosen to become one, and that really is the only option. Also we don't know his hight exactly, Didact does give us a height but also says that there are walkways and a clear observation floor above the prisoner, so he's only big and nowhere near the graveminds stature. Also MB was the overseer of the rings not a monitor, he only took over the rings when they needed to be fired, monitors only monitored. Remember in CE 343 couldn't activate the ring without the chiefs help due to safeguards, safeguards MB didn't have to follow. Didact describes the prisoner like a sea scorpion, look it up and you'll realize that other than a resemblance in mouth shape there is noting in common with the gravemind physically. This change if it occurred could also parallel a mental one given the increased mass turing what would start of as the prisoner into something much greater. This would go along with a willing transformation to become godlike on the prisoners part but due to the addition of mass and memories of others can we really call the gravemind the prisoner even if his mind is somewhat intact?


Paragraphs, always.

Spartans are not immune to the flood, chief was almost infect in halo CE and johnson being immune was "fixed" years and years ago. If borens syndrome does exist then there is one "cure" to the flood.

Height of the prisoner doesn't matter, though it supports it. Seeing how the prisoner is large in its self, the gravemind would be larger naturally due to biomass. and the graveminds head does look similar to a sea scorpion.

Fight it all you like but the prisoner and the gravemind are one and the same. we are just waiting to find out how this turns out.

The second batch of rings shouldn't be compared to the first batch. MB had complete control over them and the idea to wipe out the whole galaxy hasn't came up yet in cryptum.

  • 05.12.2011 8:37 AM PDT

Ummmm.... sorry but who is the Prisoner?

  • 05.12.2011 9:05 AM PDT

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Ummmm.... sorry but who is the Prisoner?

Read Cryptum or you won't understand.

  • 05.12.2011 9:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

1. Spartans are not immune to the flood, chief was almost infected in halo CE and johnson being immune was "fixed" years and years ago. If borens syndrome does exist then there is one "cure" to the flood.

2. Height of the prisoner doesn't matter, though it supports it. Seeing how the prisoner is large in its self, the gravemind would be larger naturally due to biomass. and the graveminds head does look similar to a sea scorpion.

3. Fight it all you like but the prisoner and the gravemind are one and the same. we are just waiting to find out how this turns out.

4. The second batch of rings shouldn't be compared to the first batch. MB had complete control over them and the idea to wipe out the whole galaxy hasn't came up yet in cryptum.


1. Please point out when a Spartan of any program was infected by the flood. Or provide a reference for when the retcon of the immunity happened. Please nothing from the Dietz book given the questionable canon of the books compared to the games.

2. I should have been clearer, it is the overall lack of any similar form that demonstrates how the Prisoners mind has been exposed to multiple other organic biomasses and there memories. The prisoners mind is most likely just one of a thousand others in there so its difficult to say whether the prisoner is still a conscious being after that.

3. Never said otherwise. Only said I think the prisoner willingly became a part of the flood. I also question the cohesion go the precursors and wonder if they were a hegemony like the covenant, that would explain the differing builds of the ships the flood were found in and the Prison of the last precursor.

4. Don't know where you got this one from but no all the rings were destroyed and its too early to tell what happened on the other side of the portal. Didact confirms MB's role as the defender against the flood, the Master builder had him test the rings, but he found the prisoner and rebelled.

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Posted by: grey101

1. Spartans are not immune to the flood, chief was almost infected in halo CE and johnson being immune was "fixed" years and years ago. If borens syndrome does exist then there is one "cure" to the flood.

2. Height of the prisoner doesn't matter, though it supports it. Seeing how the prisoner is large in its self, the gravemind would be larger naturally due to biomass. and the graveminds head does look similar to a sea scorpion.

3. Fight it all you like but the prisoner and the gravemind are one and the same. we are just waiting to find out how this turns out.

4. The second batch of rings shouldn't be compared to the first batch. MB had complete control over them and the idea to wipe out the whole galaxy hasn't came up yet in cryptum.


1. Please point out when a Spartan of any program was infected by the flood. Or provide a reference for when the retcon of the immunity happened. Please nothing from the Dietz book given the questionable canon of the books compared to the games.

2. I should have been clearer, it is the overall lack of any similar form that demonstrates how the Prisoners mind has been exposed to multiple other organic biomasses and there memories. The prisoners mind is most likely just one of a thousand others in there so its difficult to say whether the prisoner is still a conscious being after that.

3. Never said otherwise. Only said I think the prisoner willingly became a part of the flood. I also question the cohesion go the precursors and wonder if they were a hegemony like the covenant, that would explain the differing builds of the ships the flood were found in and the Prison of the last precursor.

4. Don't know where you got this one from but no all the rings were destroyed and its too early to tell what happened on the other side of the portal. Didact confirms MB's role as the defender against the flood, the Master builder had him test the rings, but he found the prisoner and rebelled.


1.currently no spartan was ever infected though john almost got infected in Halo:The Flood and was saved by cortana. Johnson being immune was reconnected years and years ago with the graphic novel.

2. Seeing how the prisoner getting infected is what even started the gravemind form. I naturally feel that his mind is the layout or background that the others go off of.

but that is conjecture.

3.To be honest we don't know if the precursors even created the flood or at the least created them to haunt the forerunners.

For all we know the prisoner could be a precursor that was captured by the forerunners in the war and kept in stasis. The flood appear and the prisoner sees it as karma in a "this is what you get" since. We have all claimed to have knowledge of an event that happened and spoke as if we knew it prior.

So until the next book comes out i wouldn't be speaking so highly about the idea, too many gray spots.

4.Cryptum itself. the first batch of rings were pretty much superweapons that would only be used in systems with the flood, which is why there are so many of them and why more were being made.

We know for a fact that atleast 2 rings survived the assault (MBs ring and the ring that ended up at the ark).


After the assault this is where the idea to use the rings to wipe out all life in the galaxy comes in, which is why the rings aren't as big as the first ones.


  • 05.12.2011 1:59 PM PDT
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I believe that the prisoner and the Gravemind are same thing, the Flood. Too my understanding the flood isn't a single mind but a collective. The Gravemind can be thought of as a CNS or a mouth piece in my opinion. We don't even know if multiple Graveminds can exist at one time.

I do think that it's a possibility that the Flood and the Precursors are one in the same. I also that it's a possibility that the Flood was created by the Precursors. However, I don't think they are. I believe the Flood are extragalactic.

Can't wait to read the next book.

  • 05.13.2011 9:16 PM PDT


Posted by: notnooborelite
I believe that the prisoner and the Gravemind are same thing, the Flood. Too my understanding the flood isn't a single mind but a collective. The Gravemind can be thought of as a CNS or a mouth piece in my opinion. We don't even know if multiple Graveminds can exist at one time.

I do think that it's a possibility that the Flood and the Precursors are one in the same. I also that it's a possibility that the Flood was created by the Precursors. However, I don't think they are. I believe the Flood are extragalactic.

Can't wait to read the next book.


I think there's only one Gravemind, at least in respect to the being found on Delta Halo. I'm sure the Flood can have multiple brain forms, would probably make things easier for the Gravemind imo, like what Keyes was placed inside or was found on the Shield World. However I think there has only been the one Gravemind throughout it all, and he's the Prisoner/Precursor.

  • 05.13.2011 9:24 PM PDT

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I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: Spartan1065
I really just am not convinced that the prisoner and the Gravemind are the same being.
I have to agree. While the Captive may be absorbed by the Gravemind (still not quite sure how I feel about this), it is clear that the Gravemind existed prior to MB ever releasing the Captive.

From Terminal 3:D: We have the answer. We've built
Mendicant Bias. It's a contender
class [AI], unlike anything we've
ever achieved.

And we've observed a pattern it
can exploit.

The parasite has formed a Compound
Mind. When it reaches a certain
mass, the Mind is able to recoil its
disparate parts to create a
[tactical shield]. This is a simple
matter of mass preservation. The
thing has no compunction about
sacrificing parts of the whole. But
when the core of the Mind is
threatened, it reacts violently
and quickly.
Remember the timeline of the book. Going by the above quote, Bias was created specifically to combat the Gravemind, before Didact entered the cryptum. The Forerunner knew of the Gravemind's existence before MB turned on them; before the Captive could ever be released. While the possibility of the Captive being a part of the Gravemind is still open, he cannot possibly be the starting point for the Gravemind as one was already established well before his release.

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Couldn't be bothered reading your post, but when I read the book the word "Gravemind" was constantly going through my head from the first moment they mentioned the prisoner and even still at the end when it says that it is Precursor.

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Posted by: notnooborelite
I believe that the prisoner and the Gravemind are same thing, the Flood. Too my understanding the flood isn't a single mind but a collective. The Gravemind can be thought of as a CNS or a mouth piece in my opinion. We don't even know if multiple Graveminds can exist at one time.

I do think that it's a possibility that the Flood and the Precursors are one in the same. I also that it's a possibility that the Flood was created by the Precursors. However, I don't think they are. I believe the Flood are extragalactic.

Can't wait to read the next book.


The Bestiarum clearly states that more several graveminds can exist at one time. it even talks about mobile and immobile forms and goes even further to talk about a "super" gravemind when minds come together and fuse.

It also talks about the chance minds might have different views but then states since they are all working for the same goal that it is unlikely.

Not to mention that the gravemind on installation 5 and the "proto gravemind" in halowars were active at the same time. We then have the mind in mona lisa forming while the mind at 05 was still alive. So it seems graveminds are formed by local infections more so than "having to reach a certain stage".



For those that doubt the mind and the prisoner being the same need to re-read the terminals. because soon as i read " MB has been away for 40-50 years or so" in cryptum i instantly put together that they are the same.

We just don't know what exactly happens.

  • 05.14.2011 6:14 AM PDT

If good looks could kill, I'd be a weapon of mass destruction.

Q: Hey, what did Hitler say to the black jew?
A: Get to the back of the oven.

Has nobody given the thought to the notion that maybe the prisoner deliberately succumbed to the flood?

Maybe he allowed himself to be infected and his biomass formed a gravemind (which would contradict the terminals), or perhaps he allowed himself to fuse with the gravemind directly.

I mean, that would make more sense if you ask me.

  • 05.14.2011 10:36 AM PDT

what exactly is with the 'link' between the Prisoner and the Flood, have read the book and I ain't sure where these ideas are coming from? hell at the end it even says 'I am the last Precursor...', what part of that isn't clear? where does the 'Prisoner is the Gravemind' and 'Prisoner is part of the Gravemind...' come from? forgive me but this sort of stuff appearing all the time makes me feel as though I have missed something...?

  • 05.14.2011 11:15 AM PDT

We also have to factor in the fact that before Humanity ever came into contact with the Flood for the first time the Forerunners staged a massive war against their creators (the Precursors). As I read through this post and wikied my brains out I have come to the conclusion that the Gravemind and the Prinsoner OR all Precursors are somehow linked. I personally favour the option that the a race as highly advanced as the Precursors - a race that can speed up the evolution of whole species and has Intergalactic travel (interestingly the same thing the Flood achieve in their last stage) would not have dividing sects.

This is complete theory put I have to fill in blanks or I can't sleep. I reasoned this out after re-reading a terminal message from Didact :"We can halt this thing!" - "And follow in Their footsteps." This is a confusing statement, for this is a race the forerunners felt needed to be overthrown. If we add in The Mantle (the code of conduct handed down to the Forerunners from the Precursors) as the dominant race in the Galaxy and what it meant to the Forerunners we get a picture of a race the forerunners idealized - much the same way the Covenant (and some humans playing Halo ^^) feel.

The true meaning behind what "following in their footsteps" actually is probably puts some spin on the Precursor/Forerunner War. I can't imagine the Forerunner would want to create their own super-parasite, so I must speculate that either this is a reference to their Just ways of combating Evil, or that the Precursors ended up fighting some kind of a Flood outbreak and winning. Perhaps to do what the humans did and be beaten by the Forerunners while their race was recovering. But I hold fast that their war would be centered around the creation of, or ability to create the Flood.


So!
1. The Precursors probably created the Flood.
Facts - Ship of unknown origin (not Forerunner) carrying the Flood parasite IN test tubes (not body bags) found by the same people who found other technology of unknown origin - AND - the last surviving member of said race.

2. Why would a people who passed down the "Mantle" to the Forerunners (a priceless treasure to them) be disposed in what must have been a cataclysmic war by...the Forerunners?
Facts - We have basically no information on the Precursor/Forerunner War. We have basically no information on who created the Flood. We have basically no information between the connection between the Prisoner and The Gravemind. Bugie has kept back all parts of that information, that in itself creates a possible link.

3. What does this mean?
Ideas - This bring me back to the idea of Sects or Factions between the Precursors. Say there was a group that opted for cultivating life and speeding evolution, and lets say their was a group who did the opposite - say, create an organic flesh/mind eating parasite that can't be stopped? Im generalizing a great deal here, it could be as previously mentioned that the prisoner was the sole creator of the Flood and hence the whole prisoner forever thing.

4. Why would the Precursors leave the Flood the way they did?
Ideas: I personally believe the Forerunners had a reason for idealizing and fearing their former mentors. At any rate, a war was fought and a lone, automated Spaceship carrying the Flood parasite was left untouched. Coupled with the Graveminds, clearly vengeful manner towards the forerunners plues the Prisoners comment to the current Didact of the time:

"We meet again, young one. I am the last of those that gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago.

I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed.

I am the last Precursor.

And our answer is at hand."

5. What was the true purpose of the Flood?
Ideas: That last part sounds vengeful to me. Like he knows something. Again I can only speculate that either the Precursors as a race, or a select few left that catch of Flood dust as a last laugh effort - but I think it must be linked. The fact that when the Flood returned after being defeated by the humans, not to attack the humans home planet (to which they had no defence at the time) but instead went straight to attacking the Forerunners themselves (as seen in Halo: Legends - Origins Part 1), it seems like some pretty vengeful behaviour to me. So in short, Flood = Revenge. If not what it was created for in the beginning, that clearly how it ended up and also was The Timeless one hinted at.
Whether this was how all the Precursors wanted thing or if a group just wanted a easy way to control the Forerunners are both viable explanations.

So thats my case as to why I think the Precursors either created the Flood, or in some way ARE the Flood. I only wish I knew what the Prisoner told the humans who asked questions about the Flood to him. Some of them committed suicide it was so shocking. Perhaps it was the knowledge that all their technology was based on an insanely murderous race (unlikely) or that the Flood was based in hundreds or thousands of Galaxies, and that it was the final stage for all life. I don't believe either of those Theories, generally because the Flood in it's Virus stage (as in the dust) just seems too...created.

So in this I hope to find an answer between what the Prisoners primary motives are/were, if he is still out there or if he has been absorbed by the Gravemind. I will just make a not that the Gravemind would not need to absorb the Prisoner to be vengeful, a previous Gravemind with the same conscious could easily be angry at the Forerunners for destroying the Precursors. Put simply, the Gravemind's pissed at the "Fathers" and the Precursors were pissed at the Forerunners, I see connections.

I hope someone gets to the end of this post, and asks questions. But feel free to just skip it ^^.

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Posted by: Arax 1501
or that the Flood was based in hundreds or thousands of Galaxies, and that it was the final stage for all life. I don't believe either of those Theories,

Nice post. Enjoyed the read. This theory has been with me for a long time. If you think about it the flood is the perfect being if you are just talking about survival and reproduction, aka evolution. It has the best qualities of a virus, an insect colony and sentient beings. If you add the ability to adsorb knowledge from prey and pass it on AND the ability for telepathy over eons then you have a life form that will, over time, win any war and spread to all corners of the universe.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

The "mantle" is a lie people..

  • 05.18.2011 6:23 PM PDT