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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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As simple as it is it isn't "simple" it is more of a revelation of the forerunners knowing and admitting that they were wrong. Providing a sense of awe.

there have been several occasions were it was us the fans that made up entire theories and ideas that were all complex and the actually was simple that we threw away because it wasn't dramatic enough. The point of this to think outside of what everybody else has been doing for the last 10 years. Something i have been known to excel at, hence this revelation.

Worst examples you could have given. Both have been twisted beyond what they were intended for not to mention that people only selectivly read certain parts of the books and not the whole think.

Such as people trying to predict when the world will end despite the bible saying that the date can not be predicted nor will it be known.

Any other example is "god" is clearly stated not to be "of this dimension" and can not be perceived by us. Yet people claim to see him all the time.


Religion and ideas will always be subjected to interpretation and taken far too literally. and when this is done you have extremist such as the forerunners and the covenant.


I know what he said hence it being an example. The entire firing the array and the events that led up to it are a representation of exactly how they went against the whole idea of the mantle.

It was in the terminals and that comparison doesn't fit seeing how there were only 3 people (including her) that were in the librarians spot. while in the whole humanity there have been many many and many halseys.


I don't disagree that being part of the meaning meant by Reclaimer, I think it makes perfect sense and is a good point, but I don't think that's all Reclaimer is meant to mean. In my experiences with twist revelations from Bungie they have never outright thrown anything out, it has merely been not what we were expecting, there probably is going to be much more to term Reclaimer than what we've all thought for years (your idea might be part of it), but they're not going to completely throw it out and make it nothing we've thought, that's not like them at all.




Bungie no longer has control over halo (which i know you know) thus the word bungie isn't relevant.

And not to be a dick but if you honestly said that then you obviously are new to the haloverse because cryptum completely threw everything we thought out of the window and twisted it. Which is why i am thinking more logically and abstractly with my ideas now.


Old habits die hard :P But as far as I'm really concerned 343i and Bungie might as well be the same since Frankie is ex Bungie and he's pretty much head of everything going on over there. Might be some more former Bungie guys over, I only know Frankie is for certain. I frankly disagree, Cryptum twisted a lot of what we thought we knew, but it didn't really change much, it was more bringing in new things than completely turning everything over on its head and starting all theories over from scratch. And I am new to Halo, I only got my first Halo game and started playing the series about two years ago, and only just started really getting involved end of last year and all throughout this year.



Frankie is the only bungie member there and they really aren't the same company. though if you can't see that now you will have to wait for the first game they do.

Again, not to be rude but that explains it,your new.


Cryptum threw everything out the window that we have been thinking for the last 10 years. and i won't even bother posting them because your just going to tell me that "it was changed".

  • 05.27.2011 10:41 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

What i will say now is a bit off topic but:

Second volume well under way. May launch soon! Thanks, Nick.


Is he saying they will reveal the second book this month?

  • 05.27.2011 10:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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What i will say now is a bit off topic but:

Second volume well under way. May launch soon! Thanks, Nick.


Is he saying they will reveal the second book this month?


not really off topic.

yea he said that awhile ago and to be honest he is probable done with the book already but it won't be out until december- january.

  • 05.27.2011 10:51 AM PDT

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Alright, so the general consensus is that the prisoner IS the gravemind. With all of the facts established, we must now debate.
What exactly does this mean?
Idea 1) the gravemind is the one who gave "Breath" to the forerunners, and possibly even humanity, thus the flood has already forseen what will happen, and the flood Is salvation.

Idea 2) Flood are much more intelligent than we have ever realized, able to make ships of their own even.

Idea 3, 4, 5, ect...) Your idea here.

  • 05.27.2011 5:56 PM PDT
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Get Toasted!

What if the Precursors being tier 0 came from another galaxy. They find the Forerunners and use their technology to speed up their evolution. When the Forerunners are ready the Precursors give them the Mantle but attempt to enslave the Forerunners. That would be ideal for the Forerunner Precursor war and this line from the Prisoner of Charum Hakkor: "We meet again, young one. I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed. I am the last Precursor. And our answer is at hand." Note that he says gave you breath, that could be a reference to artificial evolution or mayber the Precursors did create the Forerunners like the Forerunners created the Engineers. Also, rose up seems to suggest a revolution from oppression or enslavement. Just a theory. Also to clear things up the ancient humans used Precursor technologie until they were defeated. That made them the immeadiate inheritors of the Mantle but because they were froced to become primitive the Forerunners played out the role and eventually gave the Mantle to the humans at their end. They waited until their demise because one, they were forced to hand it down to ashure (spelling?) that someone would continue on the belief and two, the humans were very violent and were a weary canidate. Because the humans were genetically related to the Forerunners (how strong of a relation is unknown) they probably saw them to be higher status than say the elites or prophets.

[Edited on 06.08.2011 9:28 AM PDT]

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