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Subject: Spartan IV program

Hardly, you haven't convinced complete strangers who haven't even seen you before that it was a good biography and didn't have flaws.

[Edited on 04.23.2011 10:59 AM PDT]

  • 04.23.2011 10:58 AM PDT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Hardly, you haven't convinced complete strangers who haven't even seen you before that it was a good biography and didn't have flaws.


What "strangers" said the biography was not possible? Any reason that people have given so far have been proven wrong.

  • 04.23.2011 11:25 AM PDT


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Hardly, you haven't convinced complete strangers who haven't even seen you before that it was a good biography and didn't have flaws.


What "strangers" said the biography was not possible? Any reason that people have given so far have been proven wrong.


Again, not really. I point you to That Aethist and DeceptionCobra. Both have brought up the same points that were brought up when the biography was reviewed.

Even the plasma burns not killing him have been proven wrong. Not even Cortana had the reflexes required to keep a stream of pure plasma directly impacting the skin going beyond third degree burns without ruining the muscle, skin, and bone.

[Edited on 04.23.2011 11:32 AM PDT]

  • 04.23.2011 11:31 AM PDT

All points brought up against my bio have been disproved. Also, can you prove that a AI cannot move a beam quickly enough? A guided rail system placed above his head moving at a extremely fast rate (250-750) mph would move the flow quickly enough to prevent burns from occurring. Also, since the amount of plama being exposed to the body is so small, it would cool almost instantaneously.

Also, if a proper fan system is in place, it would be able to evacuate the plasm from the body quickly. Again, this would prevent 4th degree burns from happening.

  • 04.23.2011 11:45 AM PDT


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
All points brought up against my bio have been disproved. Also, can you prove that a AI cannot move a beam quickly enough? A guided rail system placed above his head moving at a extremely fast rate (250-750) mph would move the flow quickly enough to prevent burns from occurring. Also, since the amount of plama being exposed to the body is so small, it would cool almost instantaneously.

Also, if a proper fan system is in place, it would be able to evacuate the plasm from the body quickly. Again, this would prevent 4th degree burns from happening.


So basically, you are saying this guided rail system, which would travel the length of his body, can go near the speed of sound?

Of, and he'd survive basically a welding torch stream going down his body starting at the head?

Once again, you prove your lack of subject knowledge.

His eyes would go "POP!" due to the heat.

Also, this rail system but has a hellish fast charge up time to go THAT quickly over such a small area. Also, why the hell would he need full body coverage of plasma burns? No faction would use such methods because it would result in the prisoner dying. They would, at the most, burn a small area in a non-fatal manner.

[Edited on 04.23.2011 11:53 AM PDT]

  • 04.23.2011 11:51 AM PDT

Ok, it is 550 years in the future, a rail system of that speed is not unrealistic.

Even if a rail system cant be done, the flow could be placed above his waist, and be rotated so it can impact the various parts of his body. Also, the plasma could be moving at a extremely slow speed (50-100 mph), so it would not burn through him. That speed is far below a welding torch, an is completely possible. Again, 95% of his body, his eyes would not be injured. The flow would be stopped when it crossed over his eyes.

The method is in question here, not the reason, stay on topic.

[Edited on 04.23.2011 11:57 AM PDT]

  • 04.23.2011 11:56 AM PDT

what the blam! are you people talking about?

  • 04.23.2011 11:58 AM PDT

If the spartan bio on the 1st page is possible.

  • 04.23.2011 11:59 AM PDT


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
The spartan bio on the 1st page is impossible.


Fix'd.

[Edited on 04.23.2011 12:00 PM PDT]

  • 04.23.2011 12:00 PM PDT

Posted by: Murderous Clawz

Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
The spartan bio on the 1st page is impossible.


Fix'd.


Maturity at its best, I expected this from that community.

  • 04.23.2011 12:01 PM PDT


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
Posted by: Murderous Clawz

Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
The spartan bio on the 1st page is impossible.


Fix'd.


Maturity at its best, I expected this from that community.


I'm only treating you as you should be treated, A damn child.

My reasoning, you act like a damn child.
F.Y.I. I'm not even apart of that community.

[Edited on 04.23.2011 12:08 PM PDT]

  • 04.23.2011 12:04 PM PDT

what exactly is up with the spartan bio on the first page, I assuming your on about that really really long one? sounds like a typical SPARTAN description with the over the top-ness of it...but the books and games are full of that sort of crap.

think I am the only one whose post-war humans don't just go for more, superior SPARTAN soldiers. big fan of automated technologies and networks, etc. so that is the direction I took personally, with a small number of SPARTAN soldiers for missions that required their touch.

  • 04.23.2011 12:07 PM PDT


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
Ok, it is 550 years in the future, a rail system of that speed is not unrealistic.

Even if a rail system cant be done, the flow could be placed above his waist, and be rotated so it can impact the various parts of his body. Also, the plasma could be moving at a extremely slow speed (50-100 mph), so it would not burn through him. That speed is far below a welding torch, an is completely possible. Again, 95% of his body, his eyes would not be injured. The flow would be stopped when it crossed over his eyes.

The method is in question here, not the reason, stay on topic.


Speed is not the issue, heat is. Even if the stream did not impact his face the heat alone would severally damage his vision.

A stream of plasma impacting his skull would melt through it and burn his brain. I have seen no proof that 'it going slowly' would not cause this. Yeah, it's PLASMA. Plasma = hotter then any gas. You can alter the the length, the shape, or the temp. You cannot make the plasma go 'slower'.

  • 04.23.2011 12:08 PM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
what exactly is up with the spartan bio on the first page, I assuming your on about that really really long one? sounds like a typical SPARTAN description with the over the top-ness of it...but the books and games are full of that sort of crap.

think I am the only one whose post-war humans don't just go for more, superior SPARTAN soldiers. big fan of automated technologies and networks, etc. so that is the direction I took personally, with a small number of SPARTAN soldiers for missions that required their touch.


It's nothing like a typical spartan description.

  • 04.23.2011 12:08 PM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
what exactly is up with the spartan bio on the first page, I assuming your on about that really really long one? sounds like a typical SPARTAN description with the over the top-ness of it...but the books and games are full of that sort of crap.

think I am the only one whose post-war humans don't just go for more, superior SPARTAN soldiers. big fan of automated technologies and networks, etc. so that is the direction I took personally, with a small number of SPARTAN soldiers for missions that required their touch.


It isn't a typical Spartan description, there's just too much crap to even classify it as something useful.

  • 04.23.2011 12:09 PM PDT

course you can slow plasma down, magnetism. though I do agree getting shot in the head with plasma will be fatal, regardless of what is done about it...don't think a plasma wound would be survivable in most places, all depends on the temperature of the plasma in question I would guess, plasma from a plasma cutter is like 15,000*C or something, that would be fatal.

  • 04.23.2011 12:13 PM PDT

hold on a moment, too much crap? suppose a SPARTAN effectively hitting a missile isn't a bit over the top just to name a quick example. the SPARTAN story is one that is so clouded with pointless over the top notions, its also full of random errors to do with survivability and such as well where one SPARTAN survives an apocalypse and another gets killed by something 'trivial'.

  • 04.23.2011 12:16 PM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
hold on a moment, too much crap? suppose a SPARTAN effectively hitting a missile isn't a bit over the top just to name a quick example. the SPARTAN story is one that is so clouded with pointless over the top notions, its also full of random errors to do with survivability and such as well where one SPARTAN survives an apocalypse and another gets killed by something 'trivial'.


Too much crap being the torture, included the 10 year old getting 95% of his body getting plasma burns and then getting no medical treatment until 4 years later.

[Edited on 04.23.2011 12:19 PM PDT]

  • 04.23.2011 12:18 PM PDT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Speed is not the issue, heat is. Even if the stream did not impact his face the heat alone would severally damage his vision.

A stream of plasma impacting his skull would melt through it and burn his brain. I have seen no proof that 'it going slowly' would not cause this. Yeah, it's PLASMA. Plasma = hotter then any gas. You can alter the the length, the shape, or the temp. You cannot make the plasma go 'slower'.


Plasma can be made to go any speed, it still has atoms, so it can be controlled. Also plasma does not have to be hot, it can be down to .1K in temperature so not plamsa =/= hotter than any gas. However, the plasma is question here would be hot.

If it is slow, it would not have the force to push itself through the skin, and would be moved by the fan system before this could happen, so slow plasma would stop this. Also, if there was a second flow provided water to the effected area, the temperature would be lowered near instantly.

You can survive extremely brief exposers of plasma to the head. People get struck by lightning and live.

[Edited on 04.23.2011 12:22 PM PDT]

  • 04.23.2011 12:20 PM PDT


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Speed is not the issue, heat is. Even if the stream did not impact his face the heat alone would severally damage his vision.

A stream of plasma impacting his skull would melt through it and burn his brain. I have seen no proof that 'it going slowly' would not cause this. Yeah, it's PLASMA. Plasma = hotter then any gas. You can alter the the length, the shape, or the temp. You cannot make the plasma go 'slower'.


Plasma can be made to go any speed, it still has atoms, so it can be controlled. Also plasma does not have to be hot, it can be down to .1K in temperature so not plamsa =/= hotter than any gas. However, the plasma is question here would be hot.

If it is slow, it would not have the force to push itself through the skin, and would be moved by the fan system before this could happen, so slow plasma would stop this. Also, if there was a second flow provided water to the effected area, the temperature would be lowered near instantly.


Okay then, how is his vision, hearing, and other senses not affect? How did he get no brain damage with the stream directly impacting his skull?

All these helpful details would have been better placed in the bio or given when asked instead of a childish rage which resulted in your ban.

  • 04.23.2011 12:22 PM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
hold on a moment, too much crap? suppose a SPARTAN effectively hitting a missile isn't a bit over the top just to name a quick example. the SPARTAN story is one that is so clouded with pointless over the top notions, its also full of random errors to do with survivability and such as well where one SPARTAN survives an apocalypse and another gets killed by something 'trivial'.


Okay so torture, or modified brute torture is not what one would consider crap?

The Plasma burns without medical treatment besides a 'bandaid' until the five year training is up, is not crap?

What else...OH the whole MR.Doe can understand combat scenarios at the age of 10 with double the mental compacity because of agumentations at the age of 7?

So tell me this, can a child survive all of this, and on top of that not get PTSD or become a useless waste of space.

Flash cloning a full body then killing it for pieces would effectivly render him useless for the sole reasoning, the body parts or skin or whatever would begin to break down.

  • 04.23.2011 12:23 PM PDT


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
[quote]Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

You can survive extremely brief exposers of plasma to the head. People get struck by lightning and live.


-Okay difference, Lightning hits you in a second, you have a chance for survival, Plasma flow without ARMOR on a childs body would effectivly kill him. Despite what the temperature is, you'd have to make it a damn cold flow of plasma for him to even survive, and I won't get into detail about the brain damage he would suffer.

  • 04.23.2011 12:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Murderous Clawz

Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
[quote]Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

You can survive extremely brief exposers of plasma to the head. People get struck by lightning and live.


-Okay difference, Lightning hits you in a second, you have a chance for survival, Plasma flow without ARMOR on a childs body would effectivly kill him. Despite what the temperature is, you'd have to make it a damn cold flow of plasma for him to even survive, and I won't get into detail about the brain damage he would suffer.


If it was that cold, it wouldn't be plasma.

  • 04.23.2011 12:29 PM PDT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Okay then, how is his vision, hearing, and other senses not affect? How did he get no brain damage with the stream directly impacting his skull?

All these helpful details would have been better placed in the bio or given when asked instead of a childish rage which resulted in your ban.


If his eyes, ears, and brain were not exposed to plasma, by definition they would be intact. Unless you can PROVE otherwise.

Again, seeing how loosely regulated the bio's were, like a 14 year old spartan II being sent on a solo mission to sanghelios, and a forerunner android that was fielded for combat, I think this bio took the least liberty with canon, and followed it very well. You should take notes.

I tried to explain my character, but Devils went rage mode and kicked me out, again, maturity at its best.

  • 04.23.2011 12:30 PM PDT

how is torture crap? people today get trained for torture scenarios, to prepare them just in-case they are ever captured by the enemy. brute torture, not sure about that, what exactly would you say is brute torture, didn't think they really took prisoners?

the plasma part is stupid, even by SPARTAN standards! since plasma kills, so that is just killing your soldiers...

with regard to the understanding part, not sure about that. look at these young musical geniuses knocking about, who learn from a very early age and by the time they are like twelve, they are already fantastic players, who understand musical theory and such, why would combat really be any different? if war is all you have ever known, you will be damned good at it, especially if trained from infancy, so disagree with that as such, not because of the augmentations though, just because of our innate ability to learn based on our surroundings and such.

  • 04.23.2011 12:30 PM PDT