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Subject: Spartan IV program


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Okay then, how is his vision, hearing, and other senses not affect? How did he get no brain damage with the stream directly impacting his skull?

All these helpful details would have been better placed in the bio or given when asked instead of a childish rage which resulted in your ban.


If his eyes, ears, and brain were not exposed to plasma, by definition they would be intact. Unless you can PROVE otherwise.

Again, seeing how loosely regulated the bio's were, like a 14 year old spartan II being sent on a solo mission to sanghelios, and a forerunner android that was fielded for combat, I think this bio took the least liberty with canon, and followed it very well. You should take notes.

I tried to explain my character, but Devils went rage mode and kicked me out, again, maturity at its best.


Actually I was there, they VOTED you out because you were an idiot.

Racial,disrespectful and you attacked other peoples bios, consistantly disrupting everyone elses activities because you have the need to debate everything and well...you fail at that horribly.

  • 04.23.2011 12:33 PM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
how is torture crap? people today get trained for torture scenarios, to prepare them just in-case they are ever captured by the enemy. brute torture, not sure about that, what exactly would you say is brute torture, didn't think they really took prisoners?

the plasma part is stupid, even by SPARTAN standards! since plasma kills, so that is just killing your soldiers...

with regard to the understanding part, not sure about that. look at these young musical geniuses knocking about, who learn from a very early age and by the time they are like twelve, they are already fantastic players, who understand musical theory and such, why would combat really be any different? if war is all you have ever known, you will be damned good at it, especially if trained from infancy, so disagree with that as such, not because of the augmentations though, just because of our innate ability to learn based on our surroundings and such.


Well, he was tortured for five years starting at age ten. When I looked it up the current 'spec ops' Resistance to torture training is... maybe a week or two?

Brute torture is basically them having fun with their food. Slicing and dicing, ripping limbs up, etc.

And yes, this kid got 95% of his body covered in third degree plasma burns within the first year of the torture. The bio states or implies heavily there was no medical treatment until the five years were up.

  • 04.23.2011 12:33 PM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
how is torture crap? people today get trained for torture scenarios, to prepare them just in-case they are ever captured by the enemy. brute torture, not sure about that, what exactly would you say is brute torture, didn't think they really took prisoners?

the plasma part is stupid, even by SPARTAN standards! since plasma kills, so that is just killing your soldiers...

with regard to the understanding part, not sure about that. look at these young musical geniuses knocking about, who learn from a very early age and by the time they are like twelve, they are already fantastic players, who understand musical theory and such, why would combat really be any different? if war is all you have ever known, you will be damned good at it, especially if trained from infancy, so disagree with that as such, not because of the augmentations though, just because of our innate ability to learn based on our surroundings and such.


I agree with the ability too learn but the way it is worded in the bio, he got the agumentations and automaticlly knew how too operate in a combat scenario.

  • 04.23.2011 12:35 PM PDT


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Okay then, how is his vision, hearing, and other senses not affect? How did he get no brain damage with the stream directly impacting his skull?

All these helpful details would have been better placed in the bio or given when asked instead of a childish rage which resulted in your ban.


If his eyes, ears, and brain were not exposed to plasma, by definition they would be intact. Unless you can PROVE otherwise.

Again, seeing how loosely regulated the bio's were, like a 14 year old spartan II being sent on a solo mission to sanghelios, and a forerunner android that was fielded for combat, I think this bio took the least liberty with canon, and followed it very well. You should take notes.

I tried to explain my character, but Devils went rage mode and kicked me out, again, maturity at its best.


Actually, Devils did not go rage mode and ban you. He brought it up first, but he did not do it alone.

Also, the bios weren't 'loosely regulated'. Those bios actually made sense and followed the canon closer then your "ONI section zero doing the exact opposite of what it is supposed to do."

Revisions to the bios have been made, such as the solo mission bit is no longer there. Unlike your stubborn self, small details which could be improved were done so. You refused to change a single thing.

Hell, you said it yourself "I could argue that a Forerunner android is OP, but cause it doesn't concern me I won't." You basically said "-blam!- the RP setting's canon, or everything else, I'll -blam!- at anything and everything which conflicts with MY PLANS. If it doesn't, no matter how powerful it is, I don't care."

[Edited on 04.23.2011 12:42 PM PDT]

  • 04.23.2011 12:39 PM PDT

wow, that sounds like a nice boot camp...so we are talking extensive torture training, maybe an understatement, but still that part doesn't make it impossible. however getting sliced, diced and generally mutilated would probably prove to be counter-productive to say the least, so why has this individual had to add things like 'brute' torture, knowing that brutes are horrible, horrible things that don't so much torture, but pull limbs and stuff off?

the plasma burns is stupid though, will agree with that, though I know you could possibly survive plasma coming into contact with your skin very briefly using something called the Leidenfrost effect, but that is basically preventing it touching your skin effectively, third degree burns is stupid and fatal to 95% of your body!

  • 04.23.2011 12:40 PM PDT

Again, I provided evidence proving that burns to 95% of the body is survivable.

  • 04.23.2011 12:42 PM PDT


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
Again, I provided evidence proving that burns to 95% of the body is survivable.


Again, ignoring everything else which ruins your arguments.

Also, yes, it is survivable. WITH INTENSIVE CARE. Also, intensive care applied ASAP with heavy medical treatments and such being performed as soon as possible.

John Doe got no such treatment according to the bio.

  • 04.23.2011 12:45 PM PDT


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
Again, I provided evidence proving that burns to 95% of the body is survivable.


No you haven't actually, you've come up with ways he could and still that would do -blam!- for him, A.K.A. the "bandaid" system, that wouldn't work in this case.

  • 04.23.2011 12:46 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

As I said earlier, this Spartan character appears to be in perpetual god-mode. Surviving torture and plasma burns for years? Completely unbelieveable and unoriginal.

  • 04.23.2011 12:47 PM PDT

There is not definite answer for what Section Zero does. There is speculation, but not definite answer, so I used that as a plot device.

Also, I would love to see the explanation for what a solo spartan II that was 14 years old was sent a elite home world. I could make that bio look like swiss cheese with how many canon errors are in that, but it went unquestioned because the creator was the canon overlord. Abuse of power? It doesn't matter if it was changed after I left, you are saying that when I was there, my character was more unrealistic then Kaos'? nice try...

The reason by I said I didn't want to debate the Forerunner android was because the things that made it OPed were not used in the RP yet, if they were, I would have called them out. I tried to avoid conflict, but you can make up what you want I guess.

  • 04.23.2011 12:48 PM PDT

Posted by: Murderous Clawz

Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
Again, I provided evidence proving that burns to 95% of the body is survivable.


No you haven't actually, you've come up with ways he could and still that would do -blam!- for him, A.K.A. the "bandaid" system, that wouldn't work in this case.


Did you read my 1st response? I provided proof. Also, with the addition augmentations that I listed, survival with addition bandaging is not unrealistic.

I personally love how you bring the entire community here to repeat the same topics.

  • 04.23.2011 12:50 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
Posted by: Murderous Clawz

Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
Again, I provided evidence proving that burns to 95% of the body is survivable.


No you haven't actually, you've come up with ways he could and still that would do -blam!- for him, A.K.A. the "bandaid" system, that wouldn't work in this case.


Did you read my 1st response? I provided proof. Also, with the addition augmentations that I listed, survival with addition bandaging is not unrealistic.

I personally love how you bring the entire community here to repeat the same topics.

In a professional RP, your character would be heavily critized. I could make a more enjoyable character than a kid who gets unrealisically tortured and burned for years and somehow lives.

  • 04.23.2011 12:52 PM PDT


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
There is not definite answer for what Section Zero does. There is speculation, but not definite answer, so I used that as a plot device.


Actually, there is a definite answer for what Section zero does.

In the halopedia, it specifically states Section 0 is ONI internal affairs. Their job is specifically labeled as preventing the other branches from doing ANYTHING illegal. Everything 0 does is known by high command.

Internal affairs have no resources for experiments to the extent of this. Just starting it would cause high command to shut down Section 0 and disband it completely.

Also, again you run off attacking others knowing you are backed into a corner. 'Errors' in Kaos's bio were dealt with when they were brought up in a rational sense, and not childish rage.

Infact, nothing about the android has been OPed.

  • 04.23.2011 12:53 PM PDT

That is not the issue here, we are debating if the character makes sense in canon.

  • 04.23.2011 12:54 PM PDT


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
Posted by: Murderous Clawz

Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
Again, I provided evidence proving that burns to 95% of the body is survivable.


No you haven't actually, you've come up with ways he could and still that would do -blam!- for him, A.K.A. the "bandaid" system, that wouldn't work in this case.


Did you read my 1st response? I provided proof. Also, with the addition augmentations that I listed, survival with addition bandaging is not unrealistic.

I personally love how you bring the entire community here to repeat the same topics.


I did and there was no proof as you put it. Even with agumentations your character would be "swiss cheese."

Also, think before you speak, I brought no one II Power III it must've been your ego.

  • 04.23.2011 12:57 PM PDT

Childish Rage? I clearly pointed out the errors, which were not corrected upon request. Again, this looks like abuse of power.

Also, the quote from halopedian in regards to Section Zero.

"Based on the records of an AI named Melissa, it is thought to be ONI Internal Affairs, charged with rooting out and eliminating illegal programs.[4] It is very discreet in its work. The true nature and activities of Section Zero are highly classified and unknown outside the ONI command hierarchy."

This is not a definite answer, and proposes a idea, but it is not 100% certain. It does not prove the nature of section zero, and tends to side with me here.

"The true nature and activities of Section Zero are highly classified and unknown outside the ONI command hierarchy."

Again, game-set-match

Spartan IV - 2
Canon Team - 0

Go ahead, prove me wrong, and make my bio "swiss cheese", we are on page 6, and you have yet to do this.

[Edited on 04.23.2011 1:00 PM PDT]

  • 04.23.2011 12:58 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
That is not the issue here, we are debating if the character makes sense in canon.

Considering ONI Section III is in-charge of top-secret projects like the Spartan-II Program and the NOVA Project, Section 0 is not a fit canonically. As DaeFaron has stated, it's basically a monitoring branch of ONI, they are responsible for keeping the files of Spartan-Is secret for example.



[Edited on 04.23.2011 1:00 PM PDT]

  • 04.23.2011 12:59 PM PDT


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
That is not the issue here, we are debating if the character makes sense in canon.


If it can be heavily critcized then something is wrong here, so every aspect of your bio is going too be talked about, and any personal attacks against people will also be talked about and de-bunked.

  • 04.23.2011 12:59 PM PDT

Posted by: Murderous Clawz

Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
That is not the issue here, we are debating if the character makes sense in canon.


If it can be heavily critcized then something is wrong here, so every aspect of your bio is going too be talked about, and any personal attacks against people will also be talked about and de-bunked.


All of the criticizism are because of a lack of canon knowledge, Its not my fault that no one read Halsey's Journal...

Reasoning for why Section 0 would get these projects.

-Section 3 is still monitored by the UNSC, so they need to be approved, Section 0 is the only branch that does not answer to the UNSC, and so, they have the capability to preform projects that would be denied if they were done by any other section.

[Edited on 04.23.2011 1:03 PM PDT]

  • 04.23.2011 1:01 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
Posted by: Murderous Clawz

Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
That is not the issue here, we are debating if the character makes sense in canon.


If it can be heavily critcized then something is wrong here, so every aspect of your bio is going too be talked about, and any personal attacks against people will also be talked about and de-bunked.


All of the criticizism are because of a lack of canon knowledge, Its not my fault that no one read Halsey's Journal...

I have the Journal in front of me, tell me what you are referencing.

  • 04.23.2011 1:03 PM PDT


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN

Go ahead, prove me wrong, and make my bio "swiss cheese", we are on page 6, and you have yet to do this.


We already have, you fail to see the points being made, so by "definition" we've proved you wrong.

  • 04.23.2011 1:03 PM PDT


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
Childish Rage? I clearly pointed out the errors, which were not corrected upon request. Again, this looks like abuse of power.

Also, the quote from halopedian in regards to Section Zero.

"Based on the records of an AI named Melissa, it is thought to be ONI Internal Affairs, charged with rooting out and eliminating illegal programs.[4] It is very discreet in its work. The true nature and activities of Section Zero are highly classified and unknown outside the ONI command hierarchy."

This is not a definite answer, and proposes a idea, but it is not 100% certain. It does not prove the nature of section zero, and tends to side with me here.

"The true nature and activities of Section Zero are highly classified and unknown outside the ONI command hierarchy."

Again, game-set-match

Spartan IV - 2
Canon Team - 0

Go ahead, prove me wrong, and make my bio "swiss cheese", we are on page 6, and you have yet to do this.


Frankly we've done it at least partially several times. You just don't admit defeat.

Also, they were not changed on request because you refused to change. You were in a childish rage screaming at stuff as stupid as "A Smart AI wouldn't follow the Cole protocol."

You see, two can play the game. Errors were pointed out in your bio and you refused to change them upon request.

I also JUST read the Section 0 page. It sides with internal affairs and not UNSC internal security.

  • 04.23.2011 1:04 PM PDT

The "Canon Team" said that the augmentations I listed were not listed by Halsey, and were made up. Find the augmentations that Halsey said may be used on later Spartans. The page can be found in my 1st post.

  • 04.23.2011 1:05 PM PDT


Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
Posted by: Murderous Clawz

Posted by: NK 0WNS 4 FUN
That is not the issue here, we are debating if the character makes sense in canon.


If it can be heavily critcized then something is wrong here, so every aspect of your bio is going too be talked about, and any personal attacks against people will also be talked about and de-bunked.


All of the criticizism are because of a lack of canon knowledge, Its not my fault that no one read Halsey's Journal...

Reasoning for why Section 0 would get these projects.

-Section 3 is still monitored by the UNSC, so they need to be approved, Section 0 is the only branch that does not answer to the UNSC, and so, they have the capability to preform projects that would be denied if they were done by any other section.


And Section 0 is monitored by ONI High Command. They wouldn't be able to pull the resources required to perform this illegal Spartan IV project without being noticed and investigated.

  • 04.23.2011 1:05 PM PDT

Siding with, but it is not 100% conclusive, I took a liberty with this, called a plot device.

When did I ever say smart A.I. don't follow the cole protocol, I believe this was the issue I raised with Kaos' bio because it would require for this to happen.

Again, you have yet to point out a error, nothing has been proved wrong.

It clearly says that they their operations are unknown outside ONI command, by definition, this would mean the UNSC is kept in the dark.

[Edited on 04.23.2011 1:08 PM PDT]

  • 04.23.2011 1:07 PM PDT