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It's unlikely a flood supercell could withstand the Beast cells, the beast moves a heck of a lot faster than even the flood; it would be akin to saying The Flood supercells could overpower replicators or Blacklight.

2. Plasma mortars travel fairly slow for an arty round, a prawn could probably doge it.

  • 03.30.2011 11:42 PM PDT


Posted by: Dragonzzilla
* Boba Fett DID survive the Sarlaac pit. He escaped it, using his rocket launcher and jetpack. His metal was superior to Chief's (Mandalorian Steel FTW; it could resist lightsabers)

Result: Mando = Spartan

* Krogan, while having a better chance to survive than a Brute can in a long shot, the Brute would probably go ape shiv on a Krogan. But the Krogan would probably shotgun him in the face before he moves an inch.

Result: Brute = Krogan

* General Gregorius would win against the Arbiter. He has four limbs, thus he can cheat, e.g. shot in the gut while deflecting the Energy Swords.

Result: General Grievous > Arbiter


Few things you forgot to consider.

1) A Brute is much stronger then a Spartan-II in fully functional MJOLNIR armor, has truly devestating weapons, are much larger then a Krogan and can take more punishment.

2) While yes General Grevious has four limbs, Kenobi still cut two of them off, killed him and he only had one blade. Effectively, the Arbiter with duel swords has four blades as well, which could create a truly epic advantage, such as catching the lighstabers between the blades and tearing them out of the General's hand.

Also consider the Arbiter's swords have a longer reach then a lightsaber.

And, most importantly, Arbiter can turn completely invisible, giving him the chance he needs to flank the General. And no: he wouldn't be able to sense him through the Force he doesn't have.

  • 03.31.2011 6:30 AM PDT


Posted by: Pewter
It's unlikely a flood supercell could withstand the Beast cells, the beast moves a heck of a lot faster than even the flood; it would be akin to saying The Flood supercells could overpower replicators or Blacklight.

2. Plasma mortars travel fairly slow for an arty round, a prawn could probably doge it.


You can't look at how its depicted in game as an example of how powerful the FSC is. Literally the only way the Beast could possibly destroy the Flood at all is if it hit every single square kilometer of the Flood's biomass instantly with its virus across the span of its universe so the singular Macrorganism known as the Gravemind wouldn't adapt.

Think of the Andromeda Strain; it'd be a lot like that. No matter how fast it (The Beast) moves, being a virus it still can only move so fast. Its limited by the distance between worlds.

The Beast infects one Flood ship. Every Flood in the galaxy then knows the Beast's strengths and weaknesses because of an unintentional side-effect brought about by assimilating Flood Super Cells: they can't technically die. Cryptum makes a brief mention that even "dead" Flood infected can still spread the infection.

Introducing a new element to the Flood--Beast--would basically have the same effect as if the Flood infected a Beast infected. Either way the FSC comes in contact with it and thus learns everything about it.

Anyway, so every Flood in the fight then knows what the Beast is, its biology and its strengths/weaknesses. Gravemind puts that to his advantage of course, and starts pumping out Pure Forms designed specifically to fight Beast.

If you read the Encyclopedia, it states that the FSC is fully capable of creating any organ the Flood might need. In this case, being a single Macrorganism, "organs" can range from literal organs that grow on the biomass to new creatures designed for specific purposes. Like the Thrasher form: designed to fight tanks (and damn well good at it >.>)

But from little I now of the Beast, it'd likely do the same thing, at least in terms of quick adaptation, if not the same methodology. So this is a tie.

As for the Mech, again, don't look at the games for your answer. The books describe people anywhere near a plasma mortar being vaporized instantly by the incredible heat.

Plasma mortars, fuel rod guns, scarabs, hell even a normal plasma rifle would cause serious trouble on account of it being able to blast people into pieces with only a couple of shots (read the books) while a plasma pistol would EMP the thing.

  • 03.31.2011 6:47 AM PDT
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The Flood Super Cells can Die, saying a dead flood organism can still be a vector for infection is the same thing as saying a dead small pox victim is still a vector. If the flood super cell was unkillable, then glassing half of Africa would make no sense.

The Beast is no normal virus, it's akin to mixing replicators, Borg nanites, black light virus, and a little bit of interdimensional eldrict horror.(the original beast was picked up in hyperspace). It doesn't use humans and other species as glorified meat puppets like the flood, it breaks them down to form a bio circuit to use the ships it infects. No pure form is going to be able to combat what esentually is a red tinged grey goo.

And unlike the Flood, it doesn't need to infect other sentients to reproduce, it just needs them for food and parts(their tech).

If the flood and the beast were placed at opposite ends of a galaxy, let's say the star wars galaxy, and given a single Star Destroyer each(with crew to infect), The Beast would win hands down.


As for the Prawns/Covie Debate; Doging tends to involve getting out of te blast radius; something Spartans tend to do on a regular basis, books and otherwise. And to be frank, a prawn mech is a lot more impresive than the mojlnr suits(never can remember how you spell that).

Conversely, that mech is going to tear covenant infantry and tanks a new one. It's weapons can reduce full grown men to chunky salsa, it can catch projectiles and launch them back.(admtitly, far less usefull against plasma weapons). It has enough mini missiles to preform it's own macross missile massecer. And it's fairly durable; It was hit by two speedig trucks, possibly hundreds of smaller rounds, took two 20mm Anti Material rounds(fired by what halos sniper is based off of no less), snatched a Rpg out of the air, and it took a 20mm grenade launcher shot to the back to bring it down, with no major wounds to the user.(and one has to remember that the driver in said sequence wasn't a prawn soldier, but a mutating beuracrat who didn't know how to use said mech)

  • 03.31.2011 8:13 AM PDT


Posted by: Pewter
The Flood Super Cells can Die, saying a dead flood organism can still be a vector for infection is the same thing as saying a dead small pox victim is still a vector. If the flood super cell was unkillable, then glassing half of Africa would make no sense.

The Beast is no normal virus, it's akin to mixing replicators, Borg nanites, black light virus, and a little bit of interdimensional eldrict horror.(the original beast was picked up in hyperspace). It doesn't use humans and other species as glorified meat puppets like the flood, it breaks them down to form a bio circuit to use the ships it infects. No pure form is going to be able to combat what esentually is a red tinged grey goo.

And unlike the Flood, it doesn't need to infect other sentients to reproduce, it just needs them for food and parts(their tech).

If the flood and the beast were placed at opposite ends of a galaxy, let's say the star wars galaxy, and given a single Star Destroyer each(with crew to infect), The Beast would win hands down.


As for the Prawns/Covie Debate; Doging tends to involve getting out of te blast radius; something Spartans tend to do on a regular basis, books and otherwise. And to be frank, a prawn mech is a lot more impresive than the mojlnr suits(never can remember how you spell that).

Conversely, that mech is going to tear covenant infantry and tanks a new one. It's weapons can reduce full grown men to chunky salsa, it can catch projectiles and launch them back.(admtitly, far less usefull against plasma weapons). It has enough mini missiles to preform it's own macross missile massecer. And it's fairly durable; It was hit by two speedig trucks, possibly hundreds of smaller rounds, took two 20mm Anti Material rounds(fired by what halos sniper is based off of no less), snatched a Rpg out of the air, and it took a 20mm grenade launcher shot to the back to bring it down, with no major wounds to the user.(and one has to remember that the driver in said sequence wasn't a prawn soldier, but a mutating beuracrat who didn't know how to use said mech)



Of course the Beast would infect a Destroyer first, I'm talking about ultimate biology.

The Flood and Beast are ultimately just equals; the methods are different, but they really are the same. Beast infects mechanical parts. Gravemind hacks them with his mind. The Flood do NOT need to infect sentience to reproduce, this is a common misconception. They need only living biomass to reproduce. Anything alive can be consumed, sentience are good only if you have the need to create Combat Forms or need to gather information about a military enemy.

The fight is too close to figure out a winner.

As for the mech: what we do know is the mech can be destroyed by conventional missiles, and Covenant plasma torpedoes and bombs make missiles look like rocks.

Yes the mech is impressive as is Beast, but you'd honestly be jumping to conclusions if you say

Mech>Covenant

Beast>Flood.

You need to consider what can kill both, and what can't kill the other. We know biological tampering does nothing to the contemporary Flood; Forerunners tried thousands of different methods ranging from containment to bio attacks but still utterly lost.

In fact, you yourself said Flood with Forerunner weaponry could likely defeat the Beast. Forerunners had the same weaponry but couldn't defeat the Flood, so....

  • 03.31.2011 10:37 AM PDT
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If you pitted a flood infested forerunner ship against most scifi factions the end result is the same. The beast mothership isn't strong enough to take a foreunner ship on. I only gave that example in case people brought up forerunner flood war era Flood. Give the beast forerunner tech/ships and I can asure you the Flood wouldn't even have a snowflakes chance in hell.

Also by that slightly flawed logic, the Covenant and the UNSC beat the Flood with plasma and balistic weapons; guess what the beast(and the homeworldverse) have in abundance, in addition to it's own more virulent methods.

  • 03.31.2011 1:17 PM PDT

Never say you're bored. Never say you're satisfied with the world. Never stop doubting or questioning things. Always wonder. Always think. But always take time to drop your guard, you don't have to be smart all the time.


Posted by: Pewter
If you pitted a flood infested forerunner ship against most scifi factions the end result is the same. The beast mothership isn't strong enough to take a foreunner ship on. I only gave that example in case people brought up forerunner flood war era Flood. Give the beast forerunner tech/ships and I can asure you the Flood wouldn't even have a snowflakes chance in hell.

Also by that slightly flawed logic, the Covenant and the UNSC beat the Flood with plasma and balistic weapons; guess what the beast(and the homeworldverse) have in abundance, in addition to it's own more virulent methods.



Beat the flood?

Hardly...
The weapons did nothing, merely destroyed the infection forms, the bodies still gave off the infection, and at the end the flood won by the mind still excisting, the gravemind is a pure entity, the beast can't destroy that.

  • 03.31.2011 1:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: wildnuke
Beat the flood?

Hardly...
The weapons did nothing, merely destroyed the infection forms, the bodies still gave off the infection, and at the end the flood won by the mind still excisting, the gravemind is a pure entity, the beast can't destroy that.


Mind telling me why the earth wasn't suddenly floodified after the covies burned a fairly large portion of Africa? You typicly deal with the Flood like any other disease: burn it; napalm, white phosporus, plasma, nukes, take your pick, I have more. The Beast has the advantage of simply eating the flood; and when I mean eat, I mean forcibly convert to more Beast cells.

As for the continued existace of the gravemind; oh he won't die, no one the beast infects Dies; they spend the rest of eternity locked away in the Bio circuit. He will get to watch as the Beast goes about it's merry way ravage the universe instead of the flood.

  • 03.31.2011 2:44 PM PDT

master chief vs jango fett(jango over boba why;jango didn't have a stupid death)
Uh Boba didn't die he escaped the sarlacc and became the leader of the mandalorians. Anyways krogans beat brutes, master chief beats jango or boba even though I like Star Wars it still goes to chief. Grievous beats arbiter though it would be a close fight and the last one I can't say because I'm not a Star Trek fan.

  • 03.31.2011 7:13 PM PDT

Better match up.

Master Chief - Commander Shepard

  • 03.31.2011 7:16 PM PDT


Posted by: Brant_Recon
Better match up.

Master Chief - Commander Shepard


Better match up Master Chief vs. Master Chief lol. No but seriously good match up.

  • 03.31.2011 7:19 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

No just no

[Edited on 04.01.2011 6:26 AM PDT]

  • 04.01.2011 6:18 AM PDT


Posted by: Pewter

Posted by: wildnuke
Beat the flood?

Hardly...
The weapons did nothing, merely destroyed the infection forms, the bodies still gave off the infection, and at the end the flood won by the mind still excisting, the gravemind is a pure entity, the beast can't destroy that.


Mind telling me why the earth wasn't suddenly floodified after the covies burned a fairly large portion of Africa? You typicly deal with the Flood like any other disease: burn it; napalm, white phosporus, plasma, nukes, take your pick, I have more. The Beast has the advantage of simply eating the flood; and when I mean eat, I mean forcibly convert to more Beast cells.

As for the continued existace of the gravemind; oh he won't die, no one the beast infects Dies; they spend the rest of eternity locked away in the Bio circuit. He will get to watch as the Beast goes about it's merry way ravage the universe instead of the flood.


You're forgetting something: by pure entity he literally means a God. As in: he cannot, under any circumstances, be stopped permanantly

He has no central corporeal being; the thing in Halo 2 is an organ it uses to speak verbally to the Chief, likely because it knows the Chief and the Arbiter would be more willing to listen to something with a face. No matter how many times the Flood gets defeated, the Gravemind will adapt to it and continue coming back stronger then before, more adapted to the Beast's methods, and at the same time understanding it, knowing it.

Its not a matter of who'd come out statistically with the win; that'd be the Beast. Realistically, ultimately, the Beast would be incapable of killing the Gravemind.

  • 04.01.2011 8:16 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


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Posted by: Pewter

Posted by: wildnuke
Beat the flood?

Hardly...
The weapons did nothing, merely destroyed the infection forms, the bodies still gave off the infection, and at the end the flood won by the mind still excisting, the gravemind is a pure entity, the beast can't destroy that.


Mind telling me why the earth wasn't suddenly floodified after the covies burned a fairly large portion of Africa? You typicly deal with the Flood like any other disease: burn it; napalm, white phosporus, plasma, nukes, take your pick, I have more. The Beast has the advantage of simply eating the flood; and when I mean eat, I mean forcibly convert to more Beast cells.

As for the continued existace of the gravemind; oh he won't die, no one the beast infects Dies; they spend the rest of eternity locked away in the Bio circuit. He will get to watch as the Beast goes about it's merry way ravage the universe instead of the flood.


You're forgetting something: by pure entity he literally means a God. As in: he cannot, under any circumstances, be stopped permanantly

He has no central corporeal being; the thing in Halo 2 is an organ it uses to speak verbally to the Chief, likely because it knows the Chief and the Arbiter would be more willing to listen to something with a face. No matter how many times the Flood gets defeated, the Gravemind will adapt to it and continue coming back stronger then before, more adapted to the Beast's methods, and at the same time understanding it, knowing it.

Its not a matter of who'd come out statistically with the win; that'd be the Beast. Realistically, ultimately, the Beast would be incapable of killing the Gravemind.


This

Unless the Beast can destroy the consiousness of a transsentient being.

Even a Halo ring couldn't kill the Precursor,which proves Precursors are above sentients.
God like beings :transsentientce=transcendence

Some evidence:

"The Flood have no culture as such,they should be considered a single macroorganism instead of a group of individuals or even a group as subsentient individuals controlled by a single,or a group of transsentient being(s)."

The reason why they are considered a single macroorganism is because the consiousness of the gravemind controls every single Flood form.That explains why the gravemind talks through his flood forms.

Gravemind even says it himself:

"That is unfortunately,not the ()similar to us () but where are you a single intelligence inhabiting multiple (instances),we are a compound of () consisting of (a thousand billion) coordinated minds inhabiting as many bodys as circumstances require."

  • 04.01.2011 9:23 AM PDT

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