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Subject: The Gravemind

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.

I was just curious, is the Gravemind in the Halo trilogy the same Gravemind from the Forerunner/Flood war?

-n

  • 03.29.2011 11:27 PM PDT

Have you seen my mind anywhere? I seem to have lost it...

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I have seen you future

It is implied that the Gravemind was held prisoner on installation 05 in a slipspace portal during the firing of the rings and escaped sometime before 2552.

This is backed up by his statements along the lines of conquering a galaxy of flesh and bone.

  • 03.29.2011 11:45 PM PDT

I thought that there had been more than one gravemind. There must have been counting the one that was certainly present during the first human-flood war.

And its knowledge of the extended history of things was put down to genetic memory in the FSC, which would survive the halo effect due to being single cells?

  • 03.30.2011 3:42 AM PDT

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And Administrator of The Clan Union Group
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Gravemind>proto gravemind
forrunner>halo trilogy

no, but they have the same memories

  • 03.30.2011 4:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: Nannerpus
I was just curious, is the Gravemind in the Halo trilogy the same Gravemind from the Forerunner/Flood war?

-n


Their consciousness is the same,so yes they are the same ones except with different bodys.

Assuming the prisoner and mind are the same,means the mind can't even be killed by a ring.

You can destroy his body but his consiousness survives.His consiousness controls are flood forms,that's why the mind talks through the flood forms you fight against in Halo 3.

Bestiarium:
The Flood have no culture as such, as they should be considered a single macroorganism instead of a group of individuals or even a group of subsentient individuals controlled by single, or a group of, [transsentient[?]] being(s).

Terminals:
LF.Xx.3273.> That is, unfortunately,
not the {~} similar to us {~} but
where you are a single intelligence
inhabiting multiple [instances], we
are a compound {~} consisting of
[a thousand billion] coordinated
minds inhabiting as many bodies as
circumstance require.


Conclusion:The prisoner controls all Flood forms with his conciousness,his true body is his Precursor body.That explains how the gravemind survived the High charity explosion.

But all of this based on the assumption that grave and prisoner are the same.But i would bet all my money on it that they are the same.

  • 03.30.2011 7:19 AM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.

Some of you guys are producing faulty information. However I have rationalized the answer.
It would have to be the same Gravemind, otherwise he wouldn't even exist seeing as how there were no sentient life-forms to feed upon before human and covenant forces arrived on Halo.

[Edited on 03.30.2011 12:28 PM PDT]

  • 03.30.2011 12:23 PM PDT

I think they have to be diffrent graveminds becuse the flood came from a diffrent galxy and in order to do that they would have to have another gravemind

  • 05.05.2011 12:36 PM PDT

Each Gravemind has the same memories as the one before it. So from a certain point of view, it is the same Gravemind from the Forerunner/Flood war.

  • 05.05.2011 12:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

I doubt the Gravemind has lasted that long. There was literally no food for it during 100.000 years. I doubt it could enter hibernation that long.

But I assume that the FSC's that did survive carried on genetic memory and thus making the new Gravemind, basicly, a clone of the one from Forerunner-Flood War.

  • 05.05.2011 12:41 PM PDT

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=35882609&v iewreplies=true&postRepeater1-p=167

after reading only the title I was about to respond: ...is an -blam!-.

after reading OP: No-one really knows. Until we get a book that directly connects the two, we may never know.

  • 05.05.2011 12:44 PM PDT

Biologically the Graveminds are "different" but since they all share the same memories, it can be said its the same consciousness thus the same Gravemind.

  • 05.05.2011 1:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

After reading cryptum we are under the conclusion that it is the first and only gravemind.


Nothing was stated about the flood having a gravemind or any kind of leader when they went to war with the humans. This is odd because the flood infect 15 systems which added up to 100 worlds or so.

When mendicant bias defects he takes the prisoner while he is still in control of installation 5 (halo 2 delta halo) and vanishes. Seeing how the gravmind was found on installation 5 and the flood was stated to be rampant for 10,000 years or so we conclude that it survived the firing somehow which i'll explain shortly.

At the very end of cryptum Didact 2.0 retells his encounter with the prisoner and how the flood need to be stopped before they " seek a new master" which we assume will be the mind.



Assuming that installation 5 is one of the original halo's the gravemind could have survived the halo effect just by being on the ring; this was implied to be able to happen with the original 12 rings. Not to mention that the halo's also acted as huge zoos to transport galactic life to the ark. So if this is the original ring then it would still have plenty of lifeforms for the mind to infect to keep it's biomass up.


** I would also like to mention that a few of us don't believe that the gravemind is a natural stage for the flood seeing how the only account we have is the infected precursor. Thus all the "proto gravemind" might be the ones that form out of pure biomass and could be the ones that the beasturium was talking about when they spoke of mobile and super graveminds.

[Edited on 05.05.2011 6:42 PM PDT]

  • 05.05.2011 6:37 PM PDT