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Subject: what happend to the huragok in the great schism?

hi

we know that the elites, some hunters and some grunts joined with the humans, and the brutes, buggers, jackls, prhofits and some grunts and hunters were stilk covies. but since the enigeers arnt in halo 3, we dont know what happend.any ideas?

  • 03.30.2011 3:06 AM PDT

They dont have hopes and aspirations as a 'race', they had no homeplanet to go to.....they are technically just tools created by the forerunner. They are servants, slaves. Put them infront of something thats broken and they just fix it, like the nova bomb which they fixed without thinking it all the way through....

Its likely that they just stuck around wherever they found themselvs after the schism, lots in the sangheli fleet, cant remember if the brutes had them too.

  • 03.30.2011 3:34 AM PDT

Brutes treated them poorly, more as slaves where as the Elites respected them. So I'd bet they flourished maintaining the Elite's equipment and ships.

  • 03.30.2011 3:37 AM PDT

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  • 03.30.2011 7:03 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

The UNSC probably uses them now as well with Vergil and First strike Hurzgok's.

  • 03.30.2011 7:20 AM PDT

hi

i read they protect all forruner stuff, so since humans are forruners, theyd help us.

  • 03.30.2011 7:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Brutes treated them poorly, more as slaves where as the Elites respected them. So I'd bet they flourished maintaining the Elite's equipment and ships.

You would think so but I often see people talking about how the Elites ships are slowly falling apart because they don't have the technical knowledge to repair them. But this never made sense to me as most large ships would have MANY Huragok on board to repair them.

  • 03.30.2011 8:50 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Brutes treated them poorly, more as slaves where as the Elites respected them. So I'd bet they flourished maintaining the Elite's equipment and ships.


Yeah, I'm thinking they'd probably go over to the Elites, ODST and Contact harvest showed us that they're not just dumb machines and that they actually have feelings. And they obviously didn't like getting bombs strapped to them. It might very by Brute how much they respect Engineers, Maccabeus seemed to be respectful of Lighter than Some, even if he did just view him as a tool to be used.

  • 03.30.2011 8:51 AM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Brutes treated them poorly, more as slaves where as the Elites respected them. So I'd bet they flourished maintaining the Elite's equipment and ships.

You would think so but I often see people talking about how the Elites ships are slowly falling apart because they don't have the technical knowledge to repair them. But this never made sense to me as most large ships would have MANY Huragok on board to repair them.


People say that, but I haven't read about it in any of the books honestly. Or this "Elites are completely incapable of making more ships" bits. They may have the knowledge or ability to, but right after losing that fleet to the Nova bomb there wasn't time to replace anything.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Brutes treated them poorly, more as slaves where as the Elites respected them. So I'd bet they flourished maintaining the Elite's equipment and ships.


Yeah, I'm thinking they'd probably go over to the Elites, ODST and Contact harvest showed us that they're not just dumb machines and that they actually have feelings. And they obviously didn't like getting bombs strapped to them. It might very by Brute how much they respect Engineers, Maccabeus seemed to be respectful of Lighter than Some, even if he did just view him as a tool to be used.


I think he treated Lighter then Some so highly due to the fact Brute ships weren't allowed Engineers at that time.

  • 03.30.2011 9:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
People say that, but I haven't read about it in any of the books honestly. Or this "Elites are completely incapable of making more ships" bits. They may have the knowledge or ability to, but right after losing that fleet to the Nova bomb there wasn't time to replace anything.

Haha exactly I feel like I've seen this written here but I've never seen it hinted at either. Maybe I just haven't seen the relevant novel/comic/whatever.

  • 03.30.2011 9:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: Fatal Factor
They dont have hopes and aspirations as a 'race', they had no homeplanet to go to.....they are technically just tools created by the forerunner. They are servants, slaves. Put them infront of something thats broken and they just fix it, like the nova bomb which they fixed without thinking it all the way through....

Its likely that they just stuck around wherever they found themselvs after the schism, lots in the sangheli fleet, cant remember if the brutes had them too.

A Grunt was the one to fix the NOVA bomb and the engineers tried to disarm it but were too late.


I doubt they were affected in any way whatsoever, the majority of them don't even know a war is going on. The ones that do would probably seek humanity out like virgil.

  • 03.30.2011 9:53 AM PDT

They sort of belong to humanity...along with every other forerunner thing.

  • 03.30.2011 9:55 AM PDT


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Posted by: Fatal Factor
They dont have hopes and aspirations as a 'race', they had no homeplanet to go to.....they are technically just tools created by the forerunner. They are servants, slaves. Put them infront of something thats broken and they just fix it, like the nova bomb which they fixed without thinking it all the way through....

Its likely that they just stuck around wherever they found themselvs after the schism, lots in the sangheli fleet, cant remember if the brutes had them too.

A Grunt was the one to fix the NOVA bomb and the engineers tried to disarm it but were too late.


I doubt they were affected in any way whatsoever, the majority of them don't even know a war is going on. The ones that do would probably seek humanity out like virgil.


Actually... it's the other way.

The grunt activated the message the admiral placed with the bomb. After translating it an engineer wandered over and fixed the connections. He tried to warn them off but they reactivated the countdown timer.

  • 03.30.2011 10:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Fatal Factor
They dont have hopes and aspirations as a 'race', they had no homeplanet to go to.....they are technically just tools created by the forerunner. They are servants, slaves. Put them infront of something thats broken and they just fix it, like the nova bomb which they fixed without thinking it all the way through....

Its likely that they just stuck around wherever they found themselvs after the schism, lots in the sangheli fleet, cant remember if the brutes had them too.

A Grunt was the one to fix the NOVA bomb and the engineers tried to disarm it but were too late.


I doubt they were affected in any way whatsoever, the majority of them don't even know a war is going on. The ones that do would probably seek humanity out like virgil.


Actually... it's the other way.

The grunt activated the message the admiral placed with the bomb. After translating it an engineer wandered over and fixed the connections. He tried to warn them off but they reactivated the countdown timer.


My mistake.

  • 03.30.2011 10:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
People say that, but I haven't read about it in any of the books honestly. Or this "Elites are completely incapable of making more ships" bits. They may have the knowledge or ability to, but right after losing that fleet to the Nova bomb there wasn't time to replace anything.

Haha exactly I feel like I've seen this written here but I've never seen it hinted at either. Maybe I just haven't seen the relevant novel/comic/whatever.

Evolutions Volume II, Page 329/ Original 507
They had to defend themselves, and always did so heroically, but since the Prophets controlled all of the major learnings that transformed Forerunner gifts into tools of the Great Journey, the Sangheili now largely lacked the understanding to build new facilities and weapons themselves. The Sangheili steadily lost ships they could not easily repair, let alone replace. Their time seemed to be running out.

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First Strike, Page 171-172/Tor 210
If only there were a better electromagnetic system on this flagship, she could have devised a more effective guidance algorithm. Alas, the Covenant's grasp of Maxwell's equations was ironically inferior to Human technology.


The Huragok may have abandoned them. Lighter Then Some was horrified at what the Brutes were doing to Harvest. It is possible that many others felt the same and left behind everything to do with the Covenant out of disgust, including the Sangheili. Maybe.

  • 03.30.2011 11:04 AM PDT

The repair part can be taken many way. One is that the ships weren't maintained (unlikely, seeing as most Elite ships had Engineers one board...)

or they couldn't be easily repaired after taking heavy battle damage.

Edit: About the engineers 'leaving' the covenant... I find that unlikely as well. Simply because they didn't have ships, and had nowhere to go. They couldn't steal a cruiser easily and just leave.

[Edited on 03.30.2011 12:54 PM PDT]

  • 03.30.2011 12:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: adaben
i read they protect all forruner stuff, so since humans are forruners, theyd help us.
Actually, very early in the Halo universe when the precursors were around, the humans and forerunners were one species. However, one group of these Human-Forerunner race didn't like what the other group was doing. That group split off and ended up evolving into Humanity.

So you were partially right. But Humans=/=Forerunner

  • 03.30.2011 1:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The repair part can be taken many way. One is that the ships weren't maintained (unlikely, seeing as most Elite ships had Engineers one board...)

or they couldn't be easily repaired after taking heavy battle damage.

Edit: About the engineers 'leaving' the covenant... I find that unlikely as well. Simply because they didn't have ships, and had nowhere to go. They couldn't steal a cruiser easily and just leave.

Well, one does not have to walk out on them. All they need to do is refuse to work. The Sangheili can threaten them and kill them, but that is about all they can do, and it would change nothing. If the Huragok said no, then that would be it I would imagine. Or the Sangheili may have let them go, reluctant to commit even more genocide to try to get them to co-operate. You would not want detained and imprisoned Huragok working for you either. What if they rig the reactors on Sangheili ships to explode out of spite? Could they take the risk of using technology that could be rigged? If the Huragok really did not want it anymore, there really is nothing that one could do to stop them.

The Sangheili do not have the ability to construct or repair Covenant grade technology. This was never really an issue because they had the Huragok there to do that for them. Now they are making a big deal out of it for some reason. One has to ask, why all of a sudden? If the Huragok have performed a mass exodus from the Covenant, which is possible, then this is could be a reason why.

  • 03.30.2011 1:49 PM PDT


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Posted by: adaben
i read they protect all forruner stuff, so since humans are forruners, theyd help us.
Actually, very early in the Halo universe when the precursors were around, the humans and forerunners were one species. However, one group of these Human-Forerunner race didn't like what the other group was doing. That group split off and ended up evolving into Humanity.

So you were partially right. But Humans=/=Forerunner


Please cite this?

  • 03.30.2011 4:59 PM PDT

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I like to think a lot of them made a colony on Earth.

  • 03.30.2011 5:04 PM PDT
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I haven't read Cryptum yet, but if this is true, way to throw out all of real-world human evolution, Greg Bear.

  • 03.30.2011 5:14 PM PDT

What a waste....


Posted by: adaben
i read they protect all forruner stuff, so since humans are forruners, theyd help us.
Since when were humans forerunners? In fact,



*spoilers*










I believe Cryptum EXPLICITLY stated humans and Forerunners were separate in every way, shape and form.

  • 03.30.2011 7:36 PM PDT


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I haven't read Cryptum yet, but if this is true, way to throw out all of real-world human evolution, Greg Bear.


Because halo human history and real life history has to match?

Besides, it's all set before the halo rings first fired.

  • 03.31.2011 6:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: adaben
i read they protect all forruner stuff, so since humans are forruners, theyd help us.
Actually, very early in the Halo universe when the precursors were around, the humans and forerunners were one species. However, one group of these Human-Forerunner race didn't like what the other group was doing. That group split off and ended up evolving into Humanity.

So you were partially right. But Humans=/=Forerunner


Conjucture. For all we know the forerunners did indeed creat humanity. But we don't have any solid facts.

  • 03.31.2011 8:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

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Posted by: adaben
i read they protect all forruner stuff, so since humans are forruners, theyd help us.
Actually, very early in the Halo universe when the precursors were around, the humans and forerunners were one species. However, one group of these Human-Forerunner race didn't like what the other group was doing. That group split off and ended up evolving into Humanity.

So you were partially right. But Humans=/=Forerunner

Well you pulled that right out of your butt. No where has this ever been said.

  • 03.31.2011 2:27 PM PDT

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