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Subject: so what do you think happend to the Spirit of Fire?

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

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SoF makes it back to UNSC space. ONI covers up the Flood, as they do. Nobody ever knows (save ONI/HighCom Brass). Hence why the Mona Lisa was at Inst. 04 before the Chief's report was on Earth and why a rescue team was sent before his arrival.


The Mona Lisa was destroyed in October, Master Chief was back at Earth prior to that as he started heading back with the Covenant slipspace drive September 13th.

Mona Lisa was still there well before any ship sent from earth could possibly arrive after the Chief gave his report. It is pretty obvious the ML was sent there, or was at least en route, before the Chief made it back to Earth.

  • 03.30.2011 8:51 PM PDT

We don't know what the date of the Mona Lisa events is though...

And again, didn't Cortana send a message before the chief concerning the flood?

  • 03.30.2011 9:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
We don't know what the date of the Mona Lisa events is though...

And again, didn't Cortana send a message before the chief concerning the flood?

I dunno. I'll elaborate when I'm slightly more sober and can pro0cess thoughts better.

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Hopefully we'll find out in HALO WARS TWO!

  • 03.30.2011 9:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: H0FFman J
I can imagine there was still a flood spore left on the ship.
So I hope 343 makes a survival horror shooter on the spirit of fire.

Only if I can be an ODST during this game

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: switch 104 sv
SoF makes it back to UNSC space. ONI covers up the Flood, as they do. Nobody ever knows (save ONI/HighCom Brass). Hence why the Mona Lisa was at Inst. 04 before the Chief's report was on Earth and why a rescue team was sent before his arrival.


The Mona Lisa was destroyed in October, Master Chief was back at Earth prior to that as he started heading back with the Covenant slipspace drive September 13th.

Mona Lisa was still there well before any ship sent from earth could possibly arrive after the Chief gave his report. It is pretty obvious the ML was sent there, or was at least en route, before the Chief made it back to Earth.


I may be mistaken, but don't they make a reference to the Chief's/Halsey's report from First Strike at some point during the story?

  • 03.30.2011 10:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: H0FFman J
I can imagine there was still a flood spore left on the ship.
So I hope 343 makes a survival horror shooter on the spirit of fire.
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f that, that would make me crap my pants

  • 03.31.2011 5:59 AM PDT

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yea cortana sent a message i sure of it but it would had been after hasly left w/kelly to end of the book (frist strike)

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In all honesty, no one knows. After destroying the shield world, the Spirit of Fire was left drifting in space and the crew in cryo tubes. But think about it. They've been drifting for twenty years, probably heading for Reach for all we know. Serena is likely dead, given that she's a "smart" AI and the crew is locked up tight.

If we ever see the Spirit again, it'll be likely that the Halo events are old news.

Here's where I get a personal opinion rather than theorize about stuff.
Should we see the Spirit of Fire, it should at least go on a rescue mission for the Chief. Perhaps it passes by the Legendary planet, picks up Cortana's beacon, and rescues our old protagonist? Maybe some ODST style character swapping? Get in Jerome's, Douglas's, or Alice's head. See things in new perspectives but keep it like a true Halo FPS. Fight sentinels again. Kill some Covenant Loyalists looking for Forerunner planets. Get some Elite buddies, maybe Hunters too. Hell, I wouldn't mind if it became an RTS. It would be cool imo.

  • 03.31.2011 6:57 AM PDT

can tell you at least one thing, didn't make it back to Earth before the events of Halo I, Halo II or Halo III, because nobody had any clue about the Flood, where as the Spirit of Fire encountered the Flood, it would be drifting through the void for hundreds of years probably, hell maybe thousands, sub-light really isn't very fast..!

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can tell you at least one thing, didn't make it back to Earth before the events of Halo I, Halo II or Halo III, because nobody had any clue about the Flood, where as the Spirit of Fire encountered the Flood, it would be drifting through the void for hundreds of years probably, hell maybe thousands, sub-light really isn't very fast..!

You can't be sure of that. In fact it looks like ONI knew about the Flood and covered it up. If ONI knew about the Flood and didn't tell the general public (likely since morale was already so low) then the Marines on installations 04 and 05 would not have known about the Flood.

It is possible that the Spirit of Fire was found thanks to the distress beacon and the crew was retrieved.

  • 03.31.2011 7:25 AM PDT

Problem I see with the hole "ONI knew about flood due to Mona Lisa." In that it made it sound like they found the infected Elite, and started experiments on it. To me, from what I've read recently it was a case of "Oooh, this is new. let's see what it is!" then a "Let's go get a flood sample!"

  • 03.31.2011 7:39 AM PDT

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I think it's still drifting. If it's ever found, it's going to be crippled, a wreck and probably out of power. The crew would be dead because the cryo tubes stopped functioning.

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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
I think it's still drifting. If it's ever found, it's going to be crippled, a wreck and probably out of power. The crew would be dead because the cryo tubes stopped functioning.


I don't see how the ship would run out of power, even if it did i think cryo runs on its own power.

  • 03.31.2011 8:08 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
I think it's still drifting. If it's ever found, it's going to be crippled, a wreck and probably out of power. The crew would be dead because the cryo tubes stopped functioning.


I don't see how the ship would run out of power, even if it did i think cryo runs on its own power.


I don't see the ship becoming crippled simply from time passed. If it was a wreck and crippled that'd mean it got hit hard by an attack or an asteroid belt.

I still think they could stop at a planet and get resources from it. Whether it's food or raw ore.

Edit: Also, how could systems fail? If the entire, or most of the crew is in cryo-tubes, you can shut down nearly all the systems. Gravity, lights, environmental controls, etc.

[Edited on 03.31.2011 9:55 AM PDT]

  • 03.31.2011 9:49 AM PDT

problem is the time it will take for the Spirit of Fire to reach a friendly colony without a superluminal drive will be a long long long time, can't think of any method of power generation that would be able to keep it up for that amount of time, nuclear fusion uses fuel, hell all methods of power generation use fuel and fuel is by nature finite.

also the humans would have way more intelligence on Forerunner technology, constructs, etc. if the Spirit of Fire had of made it back, what would happen to Jerome, etc. they are never mentioned again, therefore my conclusion is Spirit of Fire is as of the end of Halo III still missing, presumed lost with all hands.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

I don't see the ship becoming crippled simply from time passed. If it was a wreck and crippled that'd mean it got hit hard by an attack or an asteroid belt.

Equipment breaks down over time. Simple as that. The SoF is a very large ship that needs constant maintainance. Without it it'll eventually turn into a lifeless husk. Though I don't expect this to be a problem until after 5 or 10 years.

I still think they could stop at a planet and get resources from it. Whether it's food or raw ore.
1) They have to find a habitable planet.

2) IF they find food there is no guarantee that it'll be safe for humans to eat.

3) In order for them to get raw ore thay need tons of mining equipment. Then they need factories on board for it to be any use. I doubt they have either on board.

Edit: Also, how could systems fail? If the entire, or most of the crew is in cryo-tubes, you can shut down nearly all the systems. Gravity, lights, environmental controls, etc.
Thats only a temporary solution at best. While it may extend the life of those systems its only a matter of time before they start failing.

  • 03.31.2011 11:09 AM PDT


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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: switch 104 sv
SoF makes it back to UNSC space. ONI covers up the Flood, as they do. Nobody ever knows (save ONI/HighCom Brass). Hence why the Mona Lisa was at Inst. 04 before the Chief's report was on Earth and why a rescue team was sent before his arrival.


The Mona Lisa was destroyed in October, Master Chief was back at Earth prior to that as he started heading back with the Covenant slipspace drive September 13th.

Mona Lisa was still there well before any ship sent from earth could possibly arrive after the Chief gave his report. It is pretty obvious the ML was sent there, or was at least en route, before the Chief made it back to Earth.


I may be mistaken, but don't they make a reference to the Chief's/Halsey's report from First Strike at some point during the story?


Yes, I do remember either Rebbecca or John Smith mentioning a report from Cortana I believe. I any case, I would assume that the story takes place either before High Charity arrives at the ruins of Alpha Halo, or after High Charity and its fleet has left for Delta Halo. In either case, I think it's probably after Chief has returned to Earth.

  • 03.31.2011 11:09 AM PDT

I doubt the galaxy is as lifeless as people make it out to be...

Star Trek/Star Wars might overdo it (Don't know) but they'll probably find some planet and be able to test if plants or animals are safe to eat.

By shutting down gravity, environmental controls, and lighting in entirely unused areas of the ship, they extend their power a good bit.

Hell, depending on what is used for fuel they could stop at Gas giants to collect fuel (Again, no clue in this part).

I'm just not seeing this "Ship dies because it's stranded for so long."

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I doubt the galaxy is as lifeless as people make it out to be...

Star Trek/Star Wars might overdo it (Don't know) but they'll probably find some planet and be able to test if plants or animals are safe to eat.

By shutting down gravity, environmental controls, and lighting in entirely unused areas of the ship, they extend their power a good bit.

Hell, depending on what is used for fuel they could stop at Gas giants to collect fuel (Again, no clue in this part).

I'm just not seeing this "Ship dies because it's stranded for so long."


It isn't that its lifeless it is just so vast that you aren't going to see life at every corner. Not to mention that the events only take place within the orion arm so we aren't really seeing the galaxy.

I go to the beach often and i go atleast 3-4 feet over my height in the water, yet i never see any fish. I see jellyfish time to time but that is it, yet i know there are fish in the water even though i don't see them. The galaxy is no differant.



I don't think fuel would be the issue seeing how it is nuclear powered; if we have ships today running on nuclear power that can go 20 years without refueling and halo is 500 years in the future, well you do the math.

  • 03.31.2011 11:48 AM PDT

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Ok, now that I'm not a drunken mess here's my theory:

SoF wasn't lost with all hands, but recovered by ONI, quarantined and covered up. Why do I think this?

The Evolutions story Mona Lisa takes place in October 2552, on a unspecified day at the Alpha Halo debrisfield.
In the story a team of Marines infiltrates a top secret ONI facility that has been there testing the Flood as bioweapons.

Now, Halo 2 starts off at October 20th. And Alpha Halo is destroyed at September 25th. The ML arrived at the debris field shortly after the destruction of Halo, presumably within a week or so and began testing with the Flood. This seems too early when you factor in travel time for the Chief and Cortana to make it back to Earth, Mona Lisa to get there, time for recovery of samples and experiments, then the Red Horse's prep and travel time. I don't think it adds up, or at least give reason to think that the ML was there before the Chief got debriefed.

How on Earth do they know about the Flood and Halo at that point? Because Chief and Cortana aren't back on Earth to tell them about the Flood/Forerunners at that point in time. It is safe to assume the distress call from Cortana had some info about "Flood", but the question still remains: how does ONI suddenly turn up with a fully fleshed out plan to use Flood as bioweapons, and with a ship fully equipped and prepped for such an operation? That's not something that could be thrown together in the short period of time they had. Unless, they were prepared for such things and already knew about the Flood in a some way, is where SoF comes in to play, because they are the only ones who had UNSC contact with the Flood before them.

So I believe ONI somehow found them, put them in quarantine, covered the whole thing up, and then already planned for what they did during Mona Lisa. Halo is destroyed: Cortana leaves a distress beacon with information in it for the UNSC to find them. However, they capture a Covie ship and make it back to Reach (First Strike) and ONI shows up with their plan to use the Flood.

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So I believe ONI somehow found them, put them in quarantine, covered the whole thing up, and then already planned for what they did during Mona Lisa. Halo is destroyed: Cortana leaves a distress beacon with information in it for the UNSC to find them. However, they capture a Covie ship and make it back to Reach (First Strike) and ONI shows up with their plan to use the Flood.


Or Another event could have happened with the SoF giving them knowledge of the halo array and it's locations.

  • 03.31.2011 12:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv


So I believe ONI somehow found them, put them in quarantine, covered the whole thing up, and then already planned for what they did during Mona Lisa. Halo is destroyed: Cortana leaves a distress beacon with information in it for the UNSC to find them. However, they capture a Covie ship and make it back to Reach (First Strike) and ONI shows up with their plan to use the Flood.


Or Another event could have happened with the SoF giving them knowledge of the halo array and it's locations.


I believe that ONI may have known the location of Halo before the Chief and Cortana gave any reports. Cortana deciphered the coordinates from the relic on Cote d'Azure. What's to say that ONI couldn't have done the same?

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So I believe ONI somehow found them, put them in quarantine, covered the whole thing up, and then already planned for what they did during Mona Lisa. Halo is destroyed: Cortana leaves a distress beacon with information in it for the UNSC to find them. However, they capture a Covie ship and make it back to Reach (First Strike) and ONI shows up with their plan to use the Flood.


Or Another event could have happened with the SoF giving them knowledge of the halo array and it's locations.


I believe that ONI may have known the location of Halo before the Chief and Cortana gave any reports. Cortana deciphered the coordinates from the relic on Cote d'Azure. What's to say that ONI couldn't have done the same?


I am trying to avoid the ONI knows everthing plotline...

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So I believe ONI somehow found them, put them in quarantine, covered the whole thing up, and then already planned for what they did during Mona Lisa. Halo is destroyed: Cortana leaves a distress beacon with information in it for the UNSC to find them. However, they capture a Covie ship and make it back to Reach (First Strike) and ONI shows up with their plan to use the Flood.


Or Another event could have happened with the SoF giving them knowledge of the halo array and it's locations.


I believe that ONI may have known the location of Halo before the Chief and Cortana gave any reports. Cortana deciphered the coordinates from the relic on Cote d'Azure. What's to say that ONI couldn't have done the same?


I am trying to avoid the ONI knows everthing plotline...

I'm just throwing out ideas. It's likely we'll never know either way.

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