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Subject: Smoking According to Obbi
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Note: Though smoking may be considered a drug, I don't think the topic is taboo since it doesn't directly violate the code of conduct as in it is not illegal.

First off, let me say that I smoke. It probably isn't what you'd think, but by definition, I am still a smoker since I take part in the activity of smoking tobacco.

This has been bugging me for a while. Current culture would have you believe that smoking extremely bad to do. However, what they mean is a certain type of smoking. Smoking, or at least how I smoke, is no more harmful than a lot of other products such as wine - done in moderation, smoking isn't as terrible as many people think. And it's frankly quite enjoyable.

I am not like the stereotypical idea of a 'smoker' in that I am not addicted to nicotine. I haven't allowed myself to be. I never find myself craving a cigarette, simply because I understand that smoking should be reserved for special occasions and not made a habit. If you can smoke responsibly, like drinking, it can be quite enjoyable and is useful for social situations. The key is to keep yourself from getting addicted.

Do's:
- Only smoke cigarettes in social situations. Example, if you're offered a smoke, only then take it.
- If you're going to smoke a cigarette, roll your own. Packages of cigarettes are too easy to buy in large numbers and take almost no thought in smoking. It makes it easier to form a habit.
- If you feel like you're craving a cigarette, stop smoking.
- Enjoy it. Don't smoke just to smoke - there is something extremely enjoyable about rolling your own cigarette while resting on a hike, or out on a porch.
- Smoke outside. I mean, c'mon - it does stink.

Don'ts:
- Don't smoke more than once or twice a week.
- Don't smoke while doing other things, such as driving or watching TV. When you're not actually enjoying and thinking about what you're doing, you're just smoking to do something with your hands and mouth - which is what a lot of people do with eating as well.
- Don't smoke store-bought cigarettes. They taste like crap, and aren't always made out of only tobacco. A lot of times companies will put 'filling' in the tobacco.

"Why smoke?" Some people enjoy smoking, rather it be for the taste or feel. I look at smoking like I do wine - it's something enjoyable to do while you sit outside and let your mind wander on topics.

Before I learned to smoke I used to find the smell repulsive. However, if you can learn to smoke suddenly you don't mind the smell any longer. This means you can get with that hot girl who happens to smoke without finding the smell repulsive. :P

Also, it's great for social situations. If you're trying to make a good impression on a person who smokes and they offer you one, you can accept it.

The key to smoking is to avoid getting addicted. THAT is when it becomes really harmful. It's when you light up 10 times a day without even enjoying it that smoking becomes dangerous.

My advice to you: When you're of legal age to smoke, give it a try - however, avoid addiction at all costs. If you feel yourself getting addicted, give it a rest for a few months. With a little self control you can enjoy smoking occasionally without totally destroying your body - because in reality it really is enjoyable.

  • 08.25.2004 11:32 PM PDT
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Ah... I agree Obbi. I am partial to the odd smoke now and then, usually when I am in a pub with friends.

Obbi is correct. I smoke now and then, and will occasionally smoke ---CENSORED--- to relax. It is not always addictive if enjoyed only now and then.

It is like everything else. Drink enough booze, and it will kill you. If you were to eat vegetable after vegetable after vegetable, eventually, you would die.

It is all about scale as well as point of view.Most people have had it drilled into them that 'Smoking will kill you, you will get addicted on the first puff!'. That is total BS. I have never had a craving. I have wanted a cigarette, but only in the same way that I would want a pint.

  • 08.26.2004 1:54 AM PDT
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I enjoy tobacco on occasion. I smoke a few times a month, and it isn't ever a result from an addiction, usually a friend stepping out for a smoke. More often that not it results in meaningful conversation, rather than standing around looking stupid.

I also roll my own "cigarettes"...

  • 08.26.2004 2:32 AM PDT
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Ah yes, the ---CENSORED---....

Good times. :-)

But anyways, if we go too far into that this'll be locked, so I am going to argue a bit about smoking for the average idiot. Anything can become addictive, and all addictions are equally dangerous. People who succumb to addiction easily will never, ever, admit they are addicted. It becomes obvious to everyone around them, because addictions are never fulfilled and often branch out into different areas of life.

Even addictions to such things considered healthy pose a risk. Exercising for 7 hours a day can detarct from your social life, and gradually, your self esteem. Self esteem, or Self Image, the cliche thing that it is, happens to be a good measure of how easily one will succcumb deeper and deeper into addiction. There are all sorts of people in positions of power, and fame, who do illegal drugs. But the majority of these "Upper Echelon" users are quite content with their lives of leisure, and thus are not 'Addicted'

--My final thought, only smoke if you are content with life, and you will not become addicted.

  • 08.26.2004 3:23 AM PDT
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Exactly. It's all about moderation.

  • 08.26.2004 9:45 AM PDT
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I agree.

It's just that the average person probably doesn't have the self control neccesary. No offense to anyone, but I feel that a very large number of people on this world should be restricted in what they can do. It's not that they're bad, it's just that their minds aren't powerful enough to grasp certain things, and face reality as it is.

  • 08.26.2004 1:55 PM PDT
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Uniyl that is, you get lung cancer and die, or heart cancer or whatever.
Smoking IS bad for you, no matter what you say and should'nt be done, because you can get a disease or addicted. Not to mention cigarrettes cost alot, it costs 11$ for a pack of cigs and its full of BS like rat poinson and sh**.

  • 08.26.2004 2:03 PM PDT
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I can't wait till you get cancer!

  • 08.26.2004 2:05 PM PDT
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Either that or addicted to crack or harroine or some other drug.

  • 08.26.2004 2:07 PM PDT
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Its not illegal to smoke cigarettes.

  • 08.26.2004 2:47 PM PDT
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I agree with most everything you said Obbi, however, being prone addiction may be heavily influenced by genetics. If addiction runs in your family, don't even bother trying.

And smoking, especially "second hand smoke", is no less dangerous than sitting in traffic for 20 min. a day.

  • 08.26.2004 4:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: Jnice
I can't wait till you get cancer!


Well said. :D

I do not smoke, I will never smoke tobacco. When I am in my mid-twenties I may smoke some ---CENSORED--- on rare occasions, because at that point it will not be able to stunt the growth of my frontal lobe.

  • 08.26.2004 4:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: BeefySleet
Uniyl that is, you get lung cancer and die, or heart cancer or whatever.
Smoking IS bad for you, no matter what you say and should'nt be done, because you can get a disease or addicted. Not to mention cigarrettes cost alot, it costs 11$ for a pack of cigs and its full of BS like rat poinson and sh**.


How can I help but be persuaded when you put it so eloquently.

  • 08.26.2004 4:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: BeefySleet
Either that or addicted to crack or harroine or some other drug.


Wait a minute...what?!

  • 08.26.2004 4:44 PM PDT
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Your from the States right?
Go figure pretty much every American smokes down there, when I went down for Vacation, I eve saw like a 10 year old smoking, which is pretty sad. You really should stop because it does only take one cigarrette to get hooked, and its not so easy to quit once you "crave" another cigarrete as you put it, addictions are hard to lay down, even with the help of Patches and what not. That goes double for dugs, they should never be used, hell when the baggies are passed from one dealer to another, you dont know what sh** has been added to it! And then Marijuana leads on to other drugs like Crack, or Meth or Heroine, its a lose/lose situation.
I cant beleive your even condoning smoking drugs and cigarrettes on these forums, you know that there are lots of impressionable kids on here and the last thing we need is more kids smoking and using drugs.

Shame on you all...

  • 08.26.2004 4:48 PM PDT


Smoking According to Obbi
by ObbiQuiet 13 8/26/2004 4:44:37 PM

Drunk People
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Good lord. For a video game forum we sure talk a lot about smoking and drinking.

Smoking is a passing fad that can kill you, don't ever even get started.

[Edited on 8/26/2004 4:49:29 PM]

  • 08.26.2004 4:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Banshee Barron

Smoking According to Obbi
by ObbiQuiet 13 8/26/2004 4:44:37 PM

Drunk People
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Good lord. For a video game forum we sure talk a lot about smoking and drinking.

Smoking is a passing fad that can kill you, don't ever even get started.



Amen to that, the only reason its so big now, is because years ago when the ciggarrette came out, smoking compaies didnt tell us about how it was bad for you, so everyone thought it was cool and everyone got addicted, the addiction ran in the families genes, so later generations got addicted.

And yes these forums are turning pretty sour.

  • 08.26.2004 4:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: BeefySleet
Your from the States right?
Go figure pretty much every American smokes down there, when I went down for Vacation, I eve saw like a 10 year old smoking, which is pretty sad. You really should stop because it does only take one cigarrette to get hooked, and its not so easy to quit once you "crave" another cigarrete as you put it, addictions are hard to lay down, even with the help of Patches and what not. That goes double for dugs, they should never be used, hell when the baggies are passed from one dealer to another, you dont know what sh** has been added to it! And then Marijuana leads on to other drugs like Crack, or Meth or Heroine, its a lose/lose situation.
I cant beleive your even condoning smoking drugs and cigarrettes on these forums, you know that there are lots of impressionable kids on here and the last thing we need is more kids smoking and using drugs.

Shame on you all...


I dont 'advocate' the 'use' of anything. I advocate the freedom for a person to do what he/she wants to in the privacy of their own home. I respect your opinion, but I extremely resent people who shove thier own ideas about what is 'good' or 'bad' for a person down someone else's throat. Not that I'm accusing you of that.

  • 08.26.2004 5:00 PM PDT
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I'd rather shove my ideas about what is right and wrong down someones throat then cigarrettes and drugs, then can kill you, and you can become addicted, this forums is filled with young impressionable children and you guys shouldnt glorify smoking and drugs.

  • 08.26.2004 5:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: BeefySleet
I'd rather shove my ideas about what is right and wrong down someones throat then cigarrettes and drugs, then can kill you, and you can become addicted, this forums is filled with young impressionable children and you guys shouldnt glorify smoking and drugs.


You're right, they can be harmful. However, read my post to understand better where I'm comming from. From your posts in this thread I can judge (I feel) fairly accurately that you didn't read my post.

  • 08.26.2004 5:08 PM PDT
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I read your post and I dissaprove of it, no matter how you sugar coat it smoking is still smoking, and threads of that nature have no place on this forums.

  • 08.26.2004 5:09 PM PDT

Posted by: BeefySleet
I'd rather shove my ideas about what is right and wrong down someones throat then cigarrettes and drugs, then can kill you, and you can become addicted, this forums is filled with young impressionable children and you guys shouldnt glorify smoking and drugs.


While I don't agree with anyone forcing anything down someone else's throat- in this case I have to put my foot down. We are on a video game forum, where the average member is 13-17 years of age. We do not need to be talking about smoking and drinking in the first place, much less promote it as the "cool" thing to do.

I'm actually a little dissapointed that the mods didn't lock this thread.

  • 08.26.2004 5:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: BeefySleet
I read your post and I dissaprove of it, no matter how you sugar coat it smoking is still smoking, and threads of that nature have no place on this forums.


It's not sugar coating. Step back and become aware of your programming. Sociologically, you were conditioned to react strongly and negatively to the topic of smoking. You're not even speaking coherently OR presenting coherent arguments.

  • 08.26.2004 5:14 PM PDT
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I really dont think anybody is 'glorifying' the use of anything here. If you're concerned about impressionable children, what about the media, such as cigarette and alcohol adds? There really isnt much that can be done about it in todays society.

That said, I'm not sure if this is a viable topic for discussion in the forums, although it the Flood (say your stupid things here...)

  • 08.26.2004 5:20 PM PDT
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BTW, I checked with a mod before I posted this. I assure you, I am aware that this is a touchy subject.

  • 08.26.2004 5:21 PM PDT