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Subject: Smoking According to Obbi

Posted by: Blue Elite 1000
O and Knightmare you must be one of thos ultra liberals who thinks that everything that you think is bad for people is evil,I myself am a democrat but not by much.


Hold your tongue. Political discussion is not allowed here, my friend.

  • 08.26.2004 8:14 PM PDT
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ok il edid that out

  • 08.26.2004 8:15 PM PDT
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your welcome

  • 08.26.2004 8:16 PM PDT

♠The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's friend's enemy♠

[color=red]I'm not saying it's 'evil', I'm just saying it's not healthy and you shouldn't do it, otherwise you might suffer the consequences. And I don't think Obbiquiet should have put this topic in a video game forum, saying it's cool to smoke. Smoking isn't as harmless as you portary it to be, Obbiquiet.[/color]

  • 08.26.2004 8:21 PM PDT
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Look Knightmare your forgeting 1 simple fact americans will not stop smokeing.

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Posted by: Knightmare01
[color=red]I'm not saying it's 'evil', I'm just saying it's not healthy and you shouldn't do it, otherwise you might suffer the consequences. And I don't think Obbiquiet should have put this topic in a video game forum, saying it's cool to smoke. Smoking isn't as harmless as you portary it to be, Obbiquiet.[/color]


I don't protray it to be harmless. Straw-man arguments are a no.

  • 08.26.2004 8:24 PM PDT

♠The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's friend's enemy♠

Posted by: Blue Elite 1000
Look Knightmare your forgeting 1 simple fact americans will not stop smokeing.



[color=red]I'm simply saying that you shouldn't smoke, because it's not healthy for anyone. And there is no real point to to smoking other than it "feels good".[/color]

  • 08.26.2004 8:30 PM PDT
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I say, who really cares? Everyone has their own opinions, and chances are you can't change someone else's. Sure, you may try to persuade them to you side, but ultimately it's their decision. If someone wants to smoke, it's their choice. They have a right to do what they want, and so do you. If you don't want second hand smoke, then go somewhere else, or to a non-smoking area. You can't stop someone, so just leave it be.

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Posted by: Blue Elite 1000
Look i am 13 i dont smoke my family smokes and they are all healthy.I think secondhand smoke is BS because i have lived around them all my life and nothing has hapend.I think that most smokers cant control themselves and smokeing becomes a problem thats why i wont even try.


I'm glad you won't try it, but second hand smoke is not BS. If there really are harmful effects caused by the smoke, which there are, then the person standing next to a smoker inhaling the cigarette smoke is exposed to those harmful effects.

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Posted by: Achilles272
Posted by: Blue Elite 1000
Look i am 13 i dont smoke my family smokes and they are all healthy.I think secondhand smoke is BS because i have lived around them all my life and nothing has hapend.I think that most smokers cant control themselves and smokeing becomes a problem thats why i wont even try.


I'm glad you won't try it, but second hand smoke is not BS. If there really are harmful effects caused by the smoke, which there are, then the person standing next to a smoker inhaling the cigarette smoke is exposed to those harmful effects.


Good point. What's your proof that you aren't slowly developing cancer? Or unhealthy lungs? You are still young, and growing. You can still adapt easily, and you're not really young anymore. However, I'd wager that you will get effects from this sometime during your life.

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well sophmore year i took a health class. we had to see pics of people who had to have surgery due to mouth cancer. their faces were all deformed after. it was disgusting...

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Posted by: Asssin823
People are different, my grand mother has smoked 3 packs a day for the last 60 years and has had no cancer at all. It's all abot the person.


How many lung and heart transplants has she had over the years? Because I find that extremely hard to believe. I bet if you looked at her lungs they would be blacker than coal.
Tell your grandmother I pity her for her stupidity and weak mindedness for smoking.

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you are a bad person

  • 08.26.2004 8:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Stickman Army
I say, who really cares? Everyone has their own opinions, and chances are you can't change someone else's. Sure, you may try to persuade them to you side, but ultimately it's their decision. If someone wants to smoke, it's their choice. They have a right to do what they want, and so do you. If you don't want second hand smoke, then go somewhere else, or to a non-smoking area. You can't stop someone, so just leave it be.



[color=red]Alas, I'm afraid you are correct, everyone does have their own opinions. Just one last piece of advice: DON'T DO DRUGS, KIDS.[/color]

  • 08.26.2004 8:48 PM PDT

♠The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's friend's enemy♠

Posted by: BeefySleet
Posted by: Asssin823
People are different, my grand mother has smoked 3 packs a day for the last 60 years and has had no cancer at all. It's all abot the person.


How many lung and heart transplants has she had over the years? Because I find that extremely hard to believe. I bet if you looked at her lungs they would be blacker than coal.
Tell your grandmother I pity her for her stupidity and weak mindedness for smoking.


[color=red]Ouch, poor grandma.[/color]

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It's true though, people with certain genes are almost immune to certain diseases. I've heard of some people, with genetics that didn't allow them to contract HIV. It's a rather interesting field of study.

  • 08.26.2004 8:53 PM PDT

Immunity to HIV is very different to immunity to cancer. HIV is a virus. Some people are immune to it because the cells that HIV attacks (those of the immune system) do not have the receptors that the HIV virus uses to take over the cell. Cancer is a completely different kind of disease. Nobody can be genetically immune to errors in cell replication, and the more carcinogens you are exposed to, the more likely you are to contract cancer. That is the fact of the matter. If you want to tempt fate, go ahead and smoke.

And who says natural selection in humans no longer operates?

- Reiginko

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Posted by: BeefySleet
...And then Marijuana leads on to other drugs like Crack, or Meth or Heroine, its a lose/lose situation...


That is a damn lie!

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Quite the debate.

The problem is people have been programmed by modern society to have an instant negative reaction to the topic of smoking (as Obbi said earlier).
In some ways I can see a similarity between this part of society and Stalinist Russia-Control through fear. 'If you smoke you will get heart disease!' 'One puff, and you will be addicted' etc. (I realise Stalinist Russia was much worse)
If the US or UK goverments were REALLY worried about smoking, they would ban it. Why don't they? Because of the huge tax revenues they get from cigarettes. The irony is that the revenues are prob ploughed into the NHS, or used for anti-smoking campaigns.

Oh, and Obbi is in no way saying that smoking is 'cool'. If he was, he would have posted something like this.....

Posted by Obbi
Hey! Smokin iz well cool! If you smoke, you will make lots of friends and all the girls will like you! So go on, steal some of your parents cigarettes, and go for a smoke! Coolness awaits!


or something similar.

For the record, I think this is thread is perfectly fine for this forum. Obbi has raised a fair and interesting point. It is clear to me that a lot of people didn't even read Obbis first post. They just saw the word 'Smoking', and jumped on in to the debate with no idea what Obbis original point was.

Well, I am going to the pub tonight. I will have a few pints, a smoke, and enjoy myself a little. I am not going to go over the top. Just going to chill out a little. I have had a depressing week. My visit to the pub will no doubt cheer me up immensly.



[Edited on 8/27/2004 3:32:43 AM]

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I'd have to agree with Obbi and Stalin.

Smoking isn't harmful if done in moderation. There are ways you can lessen the effects of lung disease, and cancer. Exercise. The reality is that government anti tobacco ads misinform a lot of people. It really is a unique argument the government is trying to make, it employs so many of the commonly used tactics of disinformation.

Disinformation

--I would argue that the danger of smoking pales far in comparison to the dangers of obesity. Obese people have been shown to be craving food more than a crack addict would ever be addicted to drugs.

Neurological patterns in tests showed that people who abused, cigarettes, alcohol, and even the most addictive drugs were not as addicted, as obese subjects were to food. This was an early 2001 article, and the findings were not yet complete

[Edited on 8/27/2004 5:05:39 AM]

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The United States of America-- STILL more rights than North Korea!
--New official U.S. motto.

Cronin's Law----The New Flood Drinking Game

while smoking heavily is generally bad, smoking in moderation is generally okay. and even so, heavily smoking isnt 100% guaranteed to give you cacer/heart disease/whatever. example: my 70 yr-old grandfather smoked heavily for 60 years (since he was ten lol) till he died at 73 of skin cancer... a cancer which has nothing to do with smoking. my point is all you who think that if you smoke one cigarette you will instantly drop dead, you are wrong. while it increces the chances of all that -blam!- happening to you, it is still far from certain. while I do not endorse smoking, it is not the all-destroying death-causing avatar of doom some of you here have portrayed it as.

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Posted by: Reiginko
Immunity to HIV is very different to immunity to cancer. HIV is a virus. Some people are immune to it because the cells that HIV attacks (those of the immune system) do not have the receptors that the HIV virus uses to take over the cell. Cancer is a completely different kind of disease. Nobody can be genetically immune to errors in cell replication, and the more carcinogens you are exposed to, the more likely you are to contract cancer. That is the fact of the matter. If you want to tempt fate, go ahead and smoke.

And who says natural selection in humans no longer operates?

- Reiginko


Oops, yeah, you're right. But then how is it that cancer is somewhat hereditary? I know that by smoking or doing other unhealthy stuff, anybody can get it, but wouldn't there be some people that have better genes facing against it? And I wasn't saying for people to go try it though. I feel that if you are able to keep it to one or two smokes a week, then why not, if it makes you happy? However, I'm not going to start at all, and I wouldn't suggest anyone else does either.

[Edited on 8/27/2004 7:45:16 AM]

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Ciggarrette

A.K.A Cancer stick

A.K.A Death stick

It still increases the chance of a cancer and dieing, I'd bet if your grandfather didnt smoke that hed live to 80 or more and died of old age. And how do you know that skin cancer isnt caused by smoking.

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Ciggarrette

A.K.A Cancer stick

A.K.A Death stick


THIS is exactly what I was talking about earlier... For many people, just a single cigarette represents cancer, or death.
Does a single pint represent liver damage? Or alchoholism? Nyet.
Control through fear.

  • 08.27.2004 7:41 AM PDT