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Subject: Smoking According to Obbi
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Posted by: Stalin the 31st
Ciggarrette

A.K.A Cancer stick

A.K.A Death stick


THIS is exactly what I was talking about earlier... For many people, just a single cigarette represents cancer, or death.
Does a single pint represent liver damage? Or alchoholism? Nyet.
Control through fear.


Yes a single cigarette does represent cancer and death to people. Why? Beacause of nicotine, one leads to another leads to another and so on until your dead. Now I would like to not even chance that by smoking even a single cigarette.

Edit: 100th Pst Wo0t!

[Edited on 8/27/2004 7:49:33 AM]

  • 08.27.2004 7:46 AM PDT
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Posted by Fatalsnipe9
Yes a single cigarette does represent cancer and death to people. Why? Beacause of nicotine, one leads to another leads to another and so on until your dead. Now I would like to not even chance that by smoking even a single cigarette.


Errr... Did you even read Obbis original post? It was about smoking in MODERATION. In my case, or Obbis case, or whoever smokes casually without getting addicted, one does not lead to another, then another, then another.

I am in no way addicted to cigarettes. The next time I am offered one, I could quite easily say no. The next time I am at the shops, I could quite easily walk past the tobaccanist.

  • 08.27.2004 7:51 AM PDT
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My grandmother has had no cancer, and no transplants of any kind, but that doesn't mean that I believe it isn't harmful, she is 85 years old, is blind, can't remember who her children are, and needs help getting out of her bed, not exactly healthy living. My dad on the on the hand has had cancer 4 times and never smoked a day in his life. Most likely because of the seconhand smoke, wich is more harmful than smoking yourself. Second hamd smoke is not filtered. I believe that smoking is a foul habit and shouldn't be acceptable at all, they should charge 5 dollars tax for a pack of cigaretes, but then if people shell out that kind of money then the government could pay for all their cancer treatment, that sounds like a good deal to me.

  • 08.27.2004 7:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: Blue Elite 1000
Look Knightmare your forgeting 1 simple fact americans will not stop smokeing.

americans? try the world. do you have any idea how much the rest of the world's population smokes? it's mind boggling.
if i were to smoke it would probably be cigars. i can grasp the argument that smoking cigars is a recreational activity. they (alledgedly) have a good flavor and texture. but smoking cigarettes? unless you're in siberia freezing your яичко's off, i don't see much point. social or otherwise.

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not to mention that you don't inhale cigar smoke. you kids know that right? so lung cancer may not be as big a risk (not sure). but lip and throat cancer still is.

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  • 08.27.2004 7:59 AM PDT
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Yes I did read Obbi's post, every word of it, and my point is that one cigarette leads to more because it's addictive and I would rather not chance addiction by smoking a cigarette. Just because your not addicted doesn't mean that its the same case for everyone. One in three High School students gets addicted to smoking by the time they enter college. My point again is that I don't want to chance my life being 15 years shorter.

  • 08.27.2004 8:01 AM PDT
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I feel this debate is getting a little out of hand.

You are missing the point of Obbis original post-He never argued that smoking wasn't bad for you. He merely said that, in moderation, it can be enjoyed. Which it can. All these people you have talked about dying have cancer and the like were all heavy smokers.

If someone can tell me an honest story where someone who was, or is a casual smoker (ie smokes aprox 4 cigarettes a month) developed a smoking related disease (EDIT: Or an addiction), then maybe I will see some of your points of view. Until then.....

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  • 08.27.2004 8:01 AM PDT
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Well my Dad smokes about 2 cigars a year.

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Posted by: BEZERKER
Well my Dad smokes about 2 cigars a year.


Ditto.

  • 08.27.2004 3:39 PM PDT
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  • 08.27.2004 3:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: ObbiQuiet
Smoking, or at least how I smoke, is no more harmful than a lot of other products such as wine - done in moderation, smoking isn't as terrible as many people think. And it's frankly quite enjoyable.

You never cease to amaze me.

Preface: I have not read anyone elses responces, nor do I intend to.

ok, now that is out of the way. I cannot agree. Wine and Tar do not have the same affect on the body, even in moderation as you have detailed. Your description of smoking and the frequency will most likely not harm you over an extended period of time, it is still not the same as drinking wine in moderation.
Tar is still not a substance intended for ingestion, wine IS made from a base of grapes.

That is all I have to say about that.

  • 08.27.2004 3:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: klurejr

wine IS made from a base of grapes.



Cigars are made from a base of dried tobacco leaves. Alcohol is no less a potent threat to health than any other chemical in a tobacco product.

  • 08.27.2004 3:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: klurejr
Posted by: ObbiQuiet
Smoking, or at least how I smoke, is no more harmful than a lot of other products such as wine - done in moderation, smoking isn't as terrible as many people think. And it's frankly quite enjoyable.

You never cease to amaze me.

Preface: I have not read anyone elses responces, nor do I intend to.

ok, now that is out of the way. I cannot agree. Wine and Tar do not have the same affect on the body, even in moderation as you have detailed. Your description of smoking and the frequency will most likely not harm you over an extended period of time, it is still not the same as drinking wine in moderation.
Tar is still not a substance intended for ingestion, wine IS made from a base of grapes.

That is all I have to say about that.


Wine's made from grapes, but it has alcohol in it - a poison.

  • 08.27.2004 4:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Wow! 5 pages of mostly civil discussion. I am seeing a great deal of patience and logical persistence in a good number of the arguments. If I may, I would like to make an observation.

Anyone who voices an opinion, even if they feel they have all of the evidence in the world and that fact and "common sense" back them up. Iif they still have the reason to state that they are only speaking their opinion, they carry a great weight (IMO) in any discussion. Anyone who voices their opinion and shouts that they know the truth, or that they have all of the facts, and they do not need to consider or contemplate anything that goes counter to their "truth" (again, IMO) shows themself to be a fool.

You see, (IMO) certainty is a trap. The moment that anyone believes that they have ownership of the truth; they have closed off all possibility of accepting any new information or knowledge. Nearly all of humanities horrors have been performed by people who were certain that they were correct. Anyone who is open for the possibility of being mistaken, or that they could learn something more isn't going to be driven to "make everyone see/understand the truth".

That said, I too believe that anything, even potentially dangerous things, taken with full knowledge and precaution are things that we all have the right to try. As long as no harm (not offense, but harm) is done to another. I do not believe that anyone has the right to tell me how to live, risk or even possibly end my life.

But I could be wrong and would be willing to listen to anyone tell me where I could be. As long as they too are not absolutely certain that they are right. Because that is not a conversation, it is a sermon, and I didn't ask for one of those.


Oh, and I enjoy cigars occasionally.


--Cheers



You speak tru7h, my friend

  • 08.27.2004 6:18 PM PDT
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I have been reading through these posts and just figured I would give my opinion.
The main problem with smoking, as has been put by other people in this thread, is maturity.
Too many people start smoking before they are mature enough to avoid addiction.
This is offset a little by the no tobacco to anyone under 18, but is still a problem.
I knew a kid thatsmoked cigarettes when he was around 8-12, maybe younger, saw a few of his friends doing it and figured what the heck. Friends moved away, he sort of just drifted off from that course.
Pretty much luck was all that stopped him from forming it into a habit.
The thing is of course, when you are a kid, all you can think about is how cool the older kids look doing it.Not true for everyone, of course.
Of course the age factor is not set. People of all ages can become addicted, depending on how their body responds, some people can just have a few cigars a month and have no cravings. Others may have a stronger reaction to the nicotine, and cause them to crave one every few hours.
My opinion, is if you can smoke a few every now and then without forming an addiction, go ahead if you really like it, I don't thinks it is the instant death ticket people seem to think it is.

  • 08.27.2004 6:25 PM PDT