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Subject: How Carter and Six/ Emile and Six/ all three could have survived

In the last mission Carter kamikazed a Scarab with his Pelican. But did anybody notice that he shot the Scarab first and kamikazed it? That made no sense. I mean, he could have dodged the Scarab and keep it busy while Emile and Six go past it. Then, Carter could have just escaped from the Scarab when Six and Emile go past, and all 3 are now alive. They make it to the Pillar, everything goes fine. Bam, this Pelican gets destroyed, Six dodges it, Phantom drops Elite Zealots on Emile. Now, Emile would maybe die here, or Carter would shoot that zealot, or warn Emile, so there he could have made it. Then Six gets into the Pillar of Autumn, Emile takes out the cruiser, and Carter picks up Emile and saves him. All three are alive. Carter would maybe die from the injuries, but who knows. They had sure better medication methods and they sure could save him.

  • 03.31.2011 2:04 AM PDT

Can't we all just get along?

They even said he didn't have the firepower. If he had just fired on the Scarab instead of ramming it, it would have ignored him, turned 6 and Emile into ashes and then killed him.

  • 03.31.2011 3:00 AM PDT
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You ever tried using a missle turret and try to kill a Scarab by shooting it's shell?

I actually tried that in H3(The Storm) by spamming at it's legs ,and wow ,it just stands up again!

But yeah ,I supposed Carter chould have jumped on board ,destroyed the Core and AL-ed to victory ,but I suppose they didn't know they could have done that.

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Posted by: progr3550r
They even said he didn't have the firepower. If he had just fired on the Scarab instead of ramming it, it would have ignored him, turned 6 and Emile into ashes and then killed him.



The scarab is an 80 ton war machine. If carter had just kept shooting it then the scarab would still just ignore him... Notice when carter shoots the scarab that the scarab is still facing Emile & 6.

  • 03.31.2011 9:12 AM PDT

" I will seek vengeance upon those who have betrayed my family, and uncover a conspiracy bigger that I could have imagined. I am Ezio Auditore di Firenze. I am an Assassin"

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You ever tried using a missle turret and try to kill a Scarab by shooting it's shell?

I actually tried that in H3(The Storm) by spamming at it's legs ,and wow ,it just stands up again!

But yeah ,I supposed Carter chould have jumped on board ,destroyed the Core and AL-ed to victory ,but I suppose they didn't know they could have done that.


Consider that Carter was losing blood fast. Any movement and he would have lost more. Firing at it might work, but slamming into it was a sure fire way of destorying it.

Personally, if I were in Carter's position, I would have jumped out all "Live Free,or Die Hard" way and let the plane just slam into it without me inside. Then i would have accompanied Noble 6 and Emile all the way to the end.

  • 03.31.2011 9:17 AM PDT

When Carter shot the scarab, it stopped charging briefly to look at what hit it. After seeing it wasn't a threat, it resumed charging.

  • 03.31.2011 9:45 AM PDT

You can kill a Scarab in a Hornet, I'm pretty sure a Pelican could as well.

  • 03.31.2011 10:06 AM PDT


Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
You can kill a Scarab in a Hornet, I'm pretty sure a Pelican could as well.


This

  • 03.31.2011 10:10 AM PDT

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
You can kill a Scarab in a Hornet, I'm pretty sure a Pelican could as well.
Because of infinite missiles. The pelican only had an autocannon.

And if they had just skipped the Scarab, it would have kept chasing them.

  • 03.31.2011 10:24 AM PDT


Posted by: Mutoid Log
Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
You can kill a Scarab in a Hornet, I'm pretty sure a Pelican could as well.
Because of infinite missiles. The pelican only had an autocannon.

And if they had just skipped the Scarab, it would have kept chasing them.


Indeed, it took a fair bit a missiles to destroy that back armor covering the core.

There is also the fact that a hornet is a combat aircraft, the Pelican is a transport. If Carter's pelican had a missile rack? Then yes he would have the firepower.

As for Mutoid's second statement, I agree. The scarab, if they somehow managed to get into the caves without being completely melted by the scarab's beam (Main reason Carter did the ramming speed), it'd have just turned around and marched to the shipbreaking yards.

  • 03.31.2011 10:28 AM PDT

We go head first into hell sir!

The pelican couldn't take down the scarab just by shooting it, Emile even said it. Even if Carter somehow got out of the scarab and survived getting out of it he would have either died onto the way to the Pillar of Autumn or he would have slowed them down so that they couldn't get to it in time or he would have died to the enemies there. So Emile still would have died to the Elite Zealot and Noble six wouldn't have been able to get onto the Pillar of Autumn. There was no way Carter could have survived.

  • 03.31.2011 3:40 PM PDT


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Posted by: Poy Poy
You ever tried using a missle turret and try to kill a Scarab by shooting it's shell?

I actually tried that in H3(The Storm) by spamming at it's legs ,and wow ,it just stands up again!

But yeah ,I supposed Carter chould have jumped on board ,destroyed the Core and AL-ed to victory ,but I suppose they didn't know they could have done that.


Consider that Carter was losing blood fast. Any movement and he would have lost more. Firing at it might work, but slamming into it was a sure fire way of destorying it.

Personally, if I were in Carter's position, I would have jumped out all "Live Free,or Die Hard" way and let the plane just slam into it without me inside. Then I would have accompanied Noble 6 and Emile all the way to the end.
carter would die like buster from gettysburgh he would have blead to death.

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Posted by: thearbiter2104

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
You can kill a Scarab in a Hornet, I'm pretty sure a Pelican could as well.


This


You can take out a Scarab with a half retarded marine,missile launcher and a F***ing Mongoose!

  • 03.31.2011 6:29 PM PDT

Every Noble team member could've survived with their magical Armor Lock. Heck, it's still disputable if Jorge is still alive, because all He would have to do is put his helmet back on before he hit the Slip Space Drive.

Carter could've rammed the Pelican into the Scarab, Armor Locked, and landed without a scratch. Probably even use the amazing power of his magical Armor Lock to inflict even more damage to the already screwed Scarab.

Kat could've had her helmet on tighter so her shields would've worked for starters, but Armor Lock would've laughed off that stupid little needle.

Emile obviously could take a sword through the abdomen (as he was perfectly able to talk post-strike), so all he needed to was Armor Lock, and that Zealot would've probably died from the mystical power of Emile's Armor Lock.

Jun. He Armor Locked. We all know it.

  • 03.31.2011 7:01 PM PDT


Posted by: progr3550r
They even said he didn't have the firepower. If he had just fired on the Scarab instead of ramming it, it would have ignored him, turned 6 and Emile into ashes and then killed him.


Or Six, as badass as he is, could simply destroy the Scarab.

All he would need is a mongoose to get on top. Which he can get easily.

  • 03.31.2011 7:03 PM PDT


Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE

Posted by: progr3550r
They even said he didn't have the firepower. If he had just fired on the Scarab instead of ramming it, it would have ignored him, turned 6 and Emile into ashes and then killed him.


Or Six, as badass as he is, could simply destroy the Scarab.

All he would need is a mongoose to get on top. Which he can get easily.


Um... what?

How the hell would having a mongoose allow Six to get up that cliff face? Would it magically grow wings and fly over the gap and up the cliff?

  • 03.31.2011 7:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Brant_Recon
Every Noble team member could've survived with their magical Armor Lock. Heck, it's still disputable if Jorge is still alive, because all He would have to do is put his helmet back on before he hit the Slip Space Drive.

Carter could've rammed the Pelican into the Scarab, Armor Locked, and landed without a scratch. Probably even use the amazing power of his magical Armor Lock to inflict even more damage to the already screwed Scarab.

Kat could've had her helmet on tighter so her shields would've worked for starters, but Armor Lock would've laughed off that stupid little needle.

Emile obviously could take a sword through the abdomen (as he was perfectly able to talk post-strike), so all he needed to was Armor Lock, and that Zealot would've probably died from the mystical power of Emile's Armor Lock.

Jun. He Armor Locked. We all know it.

In the case of Jorge, he would have died anyways. No food, no water, and swarming with Covies. And, of course, the burning mass of the Long Night of Solace just metres from his tiny corvette.

Armour lock DOESN'T work in the air. At all.

Kat's shields were killed by radiation from the glassing cruisers nearby. Helmet had nothing to do with it. And nobody has the reflexes to AL from that shot. It's not possible.

Emile didn't know that the ELite was there. He didn't have a chance to AL, just like Kat.

And Jun used sprint to get the f*** out of there, he didn't AL!

  • 03.31.2011 7:08 PM PDT

Well, you can drive the Forklift from the previous area into the cutscene zone...Surely that Scarab's got a weakness.
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Posted by: progr3550r
They even said he didn't have the firepower. If he had just fired on the Scarab instead of ramming it, it would have ignored him, turned 6 and Emile into ashes and then killed him.




Apparently my sarcasm is undetectable.





My sarcasm is not being picked up upon here as I can plainly tell.
Or Six, as badass as he is, could simply destroy the Scarab.

All he would need is a mongoose to get on top. Which he can get easily.


Um... what?

How the hell would having a mongoose allow Six to get up that cliff face? Would it magically grow wings and fly over the gap and up the cliff?


[Edited on 03.31.2011 7:10 PM PDT]

  • 03.31.2011 7:08 PM PDT

Mongeese can climb, simple as that. And they can jump.
I used mongeese to kill the Scarabs in H3, why not now?

  • 03.31.2011 7:12 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

The plot called for them all to die, they had no chance.

  • 03.31.2011 7:14 PM PDT

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I wonder, where's six's target designator?

  • 03.31.2011 7:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Carter was already dead by the time of that cutscene. Read Ghosts of Onyx; the Spartan IIIs have an augmentation that the Spartan IIs don't, which (bear with me here, I don't remember the exact science behind it) basically awakens some sort of animalistic instinct when critically wounded. It has to do with their brains, I remember, but it allows them to continue operations when injured in ways that would completely incapacitate a normal human or even a Spartan II. Carter was running on his last reserves. Had he not gone boom ("when in doubt, Carter out"), he would've died soon after.

  • 03.31.2011 8:13 PM PDT


Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
Mongeese can climb, simple as that. And they can jump.
I used mongeese to kill the Scarabs in H3, why not now?


Again, the mongoose ATV cannot help you there. First there is a gap between the cliff the scarab is on and the walkway. Second the cliff is sheer vertical, or slants in the wrong direction for a vehicle to 'climb up'.

  • 03.31.2011 8:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Lord Slade
Carter was already dead by the time of that cutscene. Read Ghosts of Onyx; the Spartan IIIs have an augmentation that the Spartan IIs don't, which (bear with me here, I don't remember the exact science behind it) basically awakens some sort of animalistic instinct when critically wounded. It has to do with their brains, I remember, but it allows them to continue operations when injured in ways that would completely incapacitate a normal human or even a Spartan II. Carter was running on his last reserves. Had he not gone boom ("when in doubt, Carter out"), he would've died soon after.


While true, that was only Gamma company. Alpha and Beta didn't get the augmentation which basically made them immune to shock.

  • 03.31.2011 8:36 PM PDT

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