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Subject: Super MAC Guns Generators - Let´s Speculate.

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As we know, the generators for these orbital stations are stationed on the surface. Now there are two things I dont understand, one fatal and the other more of design.

1. Generator Location.

Now, I can understand that the sheer size needed to power and launch a 3.000ton slug at extremly high velocities, but was it really the smartest thing to do? Put the generators on the ground. This obviously made them a priority target for any invading army. Take out the orbital stations power grids and the battle gets ugly for the defenders. I think, it would have been better to simply keep the generator attached to the station itself. It would avoid leaving the SUPER MAC GUNS as useless garbage in orbit if the generators were ever taken out. It forced you to take out the whole station or atleast score a direct hit on it to take it out.

2. How exactly did the power from the generators reach the platforms to begin with?

That I know of, I see no cables extending from the surface to orbit. I remember something stated in TFoR, where they said something about ´´inefficient broadcast energy´´. That would be the only logical solution to powering the platfroms from the surface. How could this have been done? Any theories?

So, give me your best theories and speculations.

Discuss.

  • 04.01.2011 6:19 PM PDT

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ok, no thoughts on the second point, but as for the first, wouldn't it be smarter to have the power on the surface? because to take out the cannon's power, you would first have to get past it. if it was on the platform itself, the covenant could just fire a single plasma torpedo into the generator and the entire platform is useless.

  • 04.01.2011 6:24 PM PDT

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1) The size of these generators probably made it impossible to have them aboard the platforms.

2) It is the future. Some kind of technology we don't know about yet.

  • 04.01.2011 6:31 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


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Posted by: Master Penguin5
ok, no thoughts on the second point, but as for the first, wouldn't it be smarter to have the power on the surface? because to take out the cannon's power, you would first have to get past it. if it was on the platform itself, the covenant could just fire a single plasma torpedo into the generator and the entire platform is useless.


I understand what you mean, but look at Reach´s naval battle. The Covenant would have probably never made it past the orbital platforms had the drop ships and ground forces taken out the surface based generators. Reach fell basicly because the SUPER MAC´S were taken out.

If the generators were placed on the platforms themselfs, Reach´s naval battle would have lasted longer in favor of the UNSC and possible even ending in victory for the UNSC.

  • 04.01.2011 6:33 PM PDT

Why did the Covenant Military choose to strike the ground-based generators anyways?

The Supercruiser already in-system outranged the SMAC Platforms. So why wasn't it attacking the SMACs?

  • 04.01.2011 6:40 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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Posted by: Plasma3150
Why did the Covenant Military choose to strike the ground-based generators anyways?

The Supercruiser already in-system outranged the SMAC Platforms. So why wasn't it attacking the SMACs?


Are you sure it outranged the SMAC´s? I belive the thing was shot at by the platforms and pulled back where it could ´´snipe´´ the UNSC forces while avoiding fire from the orbial platforms.

Are you sure the Supercruiser could hit the SMAC´s without being in the dead zone of the platforms? The Covenant wasent risking the ship at hands of the ODP´s. I dont remember it saying any of that in TFoR...

  • 04.01.2011 6:45 PM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Plasma3150
Why did the Covenant Military choose to strike the ground-based generators anyways?

The Supercruiser already in-system outranged the SMAC Platforms. So why wasn't it attacking the SMACs?


Are you sure it outranged the SMAC´s? I belive the thing was shot at by the platforms and pulled back where it could ´´snipe´´ the UNSC forces while avoiding fire from the orbial platforms.

Are you sure the Supercruiser could hit the SMAC´s without being in the dead zone of the platforms? The Covenant wasent risking the ship at hands of the ODP´s. I dont remember it saying any of that in TFoR...
If it was capable of firing upon the UNSC Ships, and it wasn't able to be fired upon by the SMAC's, then it outranges them.

Anyways, this creates a predicament. If we were to ignore the above statement, then that leaves two things: Either the UNSC were stupid enough to take their ships outside of the SMAC's protection, or that the Covenant were too stupid to create priorities.

We all know that neither of these options are viable (for both factions are intellegent in the art of war), thus creating a fairly large plothole.

[Edited on 04.01.2011 6:50 PM PDT]

  • 04.01.2011 6:47 PM PDT

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1) It might be their size. It might also be due to the interference produced from such a strong magnetic field. The UNSC uses Fusion Power which relies heavily on magnetic fields for continued operation. The powerful magnetic fields produced by the SMAC might cause interference in the reactor.

2) Perhaps this?

  • 04.01.2011 6:55 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
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Posted by: anton1792
1) It might be their size. It might also be due to the interference produced from such a strong magnetic field. The UNSC uses Fusion Power which relies heavily on magnetic fields for continued operation. The powerful magnetic fields produced by the SMAC might cause interference in the reactor.

2) Perhaps this?


That is actually a good theory. It would also explain why the ODP´s dont have point defense weaponry, the magnetic field would magnetize the weapons. I´ll take this as valid. Magnetic Field interfierence.

2. It could be, but would that transmit the power the SMAC´s need to fire every 5 secounds?

  • 04.01.2011 7:07 PM PDT

Out of curiosity I read the halopedia article on smacs.

PHYSICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, GOOD NIGHT

  • 04.01.2011 7:11 PM PDT

You do know that there were super macs located on the surface of the planet as well?

  • 04.01.2011 7:15 PM PDT


Posted by: marix894
You do know that there were super macs located on the surface of the planet as well?
Those weren't Super MACs.

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  • 04.01.2011 7:18 PM PDT
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all i wanna know is how was that one supercarrier even able to get past the supermacs in the first place

  • 04.01.2011 7:19 PM PDT


Posted by: SlummyZeru
all i wanna know is how was that one supercarrier even able to get past the supermacs in the first place
Ships with cloaking shields do not show up on any sensors.

Whether the cloaking shield came form the ship itself or the spires are debateable.

[Edited on 04.01.2011 7:20 PM PDT]

  • 04.01.2011 7:19 PM PDT

If you read the book Fall of reach they said there were super macs on the surface but then again Bungie always said the books were only cannon and they weren't going to fallow it which I think ruins the universe of Halo.

[Edited on 04.01.2011 7:22 PM PDT]

  • 04.01.2011 7:22 PM PDT


Posted by: marix894
If you read the book Fall of reach they said there were super macs but then again Bungie always said the books were only cannon and they weren't going to fallow it which I think ruins the universe of Halo.
I suggest that you reread the book. Those were orbital.

Anyways, the events in the book still happened. Keep your ears to the ground, and you would pick up multiple references of those events ingame.

[Edited on 04.01.2011 7:24 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Plasma3150

Posted by: SlummyZeru
all i wanna know is how was that one supercarrier even able to get past the supermacs in the first place
We don't know how far those cloaking shields from the Spires reach.


good point they could've built them from scratch by sending in one stealth ship at a time to build it

  • 04.01.2011 7:23 PM PDT

1. the generators are probably to heavy the platforms will crash to the ground if its to heavy so anything that can be cut has to be
2. a few weeks ago i saw something about plans to make satilites with solar panels that would transfer energy to the ground using radio waves right now to much energy is lost but with better technology it might work in reverse sending power from the ground to SMACs

  • 04.01.2011 7:23 PM PDT


Posted by: SlummyZeru

Posted by: Plasma3150

Posted by: SlummyZeru
all i wanna know is how was that one supercarrier even able to get past the supermacs in the first place
We don't know how far those cloaking shields from the Spires reach.


good point they could've built them from scratch by sending in one stealth ship at a time to build it
The circumstantial evidence suggests that they were dropped from space.

The Clever Covie Bastards probably disguised them as meteors.

  • 04.01.2011 7:25 PM PDT


Posted by: Plasma3150

Posted by: marix894
If you read the book Fall of reach they said there were super macs but then again Bungie always said the books were only cannon and they weren't going to fallow it which I think ruins the universe of Halo.
I suggest that you reread the book. Those were orbital.

Anyways, the events in the book still happened. Keep your ears to the ground, and you would pick up multiple references of those events ingame.

Damn you and your carfull reading.

  • 04.01.2011 7:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
2. It could be, but would that transmit the power the SMAC´s need to fire every 5 seconds?

I am not sure. Using that method, the intensity of the beam would have to be far above Human safety standards to power the SMAC. Not to mention that the Platforms would have to carry a dish 1km wide so that they could receive the wavelengths, so this cannot really be the solution. They may have found a way around the problems with it, being in the future and all. Or they might use something completely different.

A wizard does it.

  • 04.01.2011 7:27 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: HipiO7
2. It could be, but would that transmit the power the SMAC´s need to fire every 5 seconds?

I am not sure. Using that method, the intensity of the beam would have to be far above Human safety standards to power the SMAC. Not to mention that the Platforms would have to carry a dish 1km wide so that they could receive the wavelengths, so this cannot really be the solution. They may have found a way around the problems with it, being in the future and all. Or they might use something completely different.

A wizard does it.
Well, with a planet larger than earth, yet only having a fraction of the inhabitance (A portion of it being stationed troops), I would say that it would be possible to have those dishes.

  • 04.01.2011 7:28 PM PDT

1) SMACs don't have on board generators because the supercunducting coils would magnetize the generators, rendering them useless

2) This is actually a remote possibility even today

  • 04.01.2011 7:32 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


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Posted by: Plasma3150
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: HipiO7
2. It could be, but would that transmit the power the SMAC´s need to fire every 5 seconds?

I am not sure. Using that method, the intensity of the beam would have to be far above Human safety standards to power the SMAC. Not to mention that the Platforms would have to carry a dish 1km wide so that they could receive the wavelengths, so this cannot really be the solution. They may have found a way around the problems with it, being in the future and all. Or they might use something completely different.

A wizard does it.
Well, with a planet larger than earth, yet only having a fraction of the inhabitance (A portion of it being stationed troops), I would say that it would be possible to have those dishes.


Thing is, dishes nor nothing along those lines are seen on the ODP´s. No type of recievers that we can recall.

Plothole perhaps?

  • 04.01.2011 7:35 PM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Plasma3150
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: HipiO7
2. It could be, but would that transmit the power the SMAC´s need to fire every 5 seconds?

I am not sure. Using that method, the intensity of the beam would have to be far above Human safety standards to power the SMAC. Not to mention that the Platforms would have to carry a dish 1km wide so that they could receive the wavelengths, so this cannot really be the solution. They may have found a way around the problems with it, being in the future and all. Or they might use something completely different.

A wizard does it.
Well, with a planet larger than earth, yet only having a fraction of the inhabitance (A portion of it being stationed troops), I would say that it would be possible to have those dishes.


Thing is, dishes nor nothing along those lines are seen on the ODP´s. No type of recievers that we can recall.

Plothole perhaps?
More efficient recievers?

  • 04.01.2011 7:36 PM PDT

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