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  • 04.02.2011 11:35 AM PDT

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The planet has a giant continent sized Forerunner glyph spread across it, and the file of the image is called forerunnerplanet.jpg (or something to that effect), so I think its a strong bet that its Forerunner. I wouldn't rule Precursor out though, but I think its very unlikely.

  • 04.02.2011 11:43 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

1)The Halo Array wiped out all Precursor structures on that planet.The legendary planet is a Forerunner planet.

2)Mendicant Bias says he sends the chief to the Forerunners

3)The Forerunners left the galaxy,means that planet is extragalactic therefor not Charum Hakkor

  • 04.02.2011 11:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
3)The Forerunners left the galaxy,means that planet is extragalactic therefor not Charum Hakkor

Actually it is only ever said that they left this arm of the galaxy.

  • 04.02.2011 11:47 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: hotshot revan II
3)The Forerunners left the galaxy,means that planet is extragalactic therefor not Charum Hakkor

Actually it is only ever said that they left this arm of the galaxy.


-blam!-

This can't be true,i hope the Forerunners aren't on the other side of the milky way eating popcorn for entertainment and watch the Humans suffer against the Covies.

  • 04.02.2011 11:49 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II
1)The Halo Array wiped out all Precursor structures on that planet.The legendary planet is a Forerunner planet.

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3)The Forerunners left the galaxy,means that planet is extragalactic therefor not Charum Hakkor



These two don't mix well together. A planet outside of the galaxy would be unharmed by Halo.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility, but there are almost definetly Forerunners there presently.

  • 04.02.2011 3:19 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: hotshot revan II
3)The Forerunners left the galaxy,means that planet is extragalactic therefor not Charum Hakkor

Actually it is only ever said that they left this arm of the galaxy.


This has been covered before.

"After the starved Flood died off, the planets were reseeded with the rescued life forms, and the shattered remnants of the Forerunner civilization decided to leave the Galaxy. Their final destination and curreent status remain unknown." (Pg 171, the Encyclopedia)

It wouldn't make sense for a civilization that spans the entire galaxy to just leave the Orion Arm.

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Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: hotshot revan II
3)The Forerunners left the galaxy,means that planet is extragalactic therefor not Charum Hakkor

Actually it is only ever said that they left this arm of the galaxy.


This has been covered before.

"After the starved Flood died off, the planets were reseeded with the rescued life forms, and the shattered remnants of the Forerunner civilization decided to leave the Galaxy. Their final destination and curreent status remain unknown." (Pg 171, the Encyclopedia)

It wouldn't make sense for a civilization that spans the entire galaxy to just leave the Orion Arm.


IT somewhat does seeing how that where they mainly lived, For all we know thye are at the edge of the galaxy or closer to the core. they went into hiding to rebuild.


Them leaving the galaxy doesn't make sense ether, because i don't see thing they could just upright and leave the galaxy. Not to mention variables such as population,food,protection,etc that would need to be taken care of on an exodus such as that.


If they DID leave the galaxy though they went to the large magellanic cloud.

  • 04.02.2011 5:33 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

The Forerunner Empire spanned 3 million worlds. There are between 200 billion and 400 billion stars in the Milky Way. They did not span the galaxy - their presence was only on 0.0015% of this galaxy (Using the lower estimate as well). They may still be here.

  • 04.02.2011 5:54 PM PDT

that statement is bogus for one simple fact. their empire spanned three million worlds, how many habitable worlds are there in our galaxy, roughly would you say, would reckon ~1% of worlds might be habitable, look at our solar system, eight actual planets and countless planetoids (moons, dwarf planets, etc.) and only a single one is habitable, so all in all we only span around 1% of our solar system to be honest. even 'when' we expand to live on the moon and Mars, thats still not even scratching the surface of real estate available in the solar system.

look at it logically, they would have spanned the galaxy for a number of reasons. distance? not a problem, installation 00 is enormous (like 110,000 miles in diametre or something!) and thats a long long long way outside the galactic edge, so I think to say they didn't span the galaxy is a little on the bogus side to be honest.

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
that statement is bogus for one simple fact. their empire spanned three million worlds, how many habitable worlds are there in our galaxy, roughly would you say, would reckon ~1% of worlds might be habitable, look at our solar system, eight actual planets and countless planetoids (moons, dwarf planets, etc.) and only a single one is habitable, so all in all we only span around 1% of our solar system to be honest. even 'when' we expand to live on the moon and Mars, thats still not even scratching the surface of real estate available in the solar system.

look at it logically, they would have spanned the galaxy for a number of reasons. distance? not a problem, installation 00 is enormous (like 110,000 miles in diametre or something!) and thats a long long long way outside the galactic edge, so I think to say they didn't span the galaxy is a little on the bogus side to be honest.


It makes sense if look look at the lore.

-Humans were stated to colonize the fringes of the galaxy away from forerunner control.

-Forerunners were stated to control the inside of the galaxy heavily within the orion arm area.

-The Maginot line creating a wall between forerunner and flood space


Just some tidbit examples of where races seemed to place in the galaxy. Sure the forerunners empire might have had distant but they still had to be within range of support should they be attacked and technological reasons. Even so it is still stated that they thrived in the orion arm.

  • 04.02.2011 6:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
that statement is bogus for one simple fact. their empire spanned three million worlds, how many habitable worlds are there in our galaxy, roughly would you say, would reckon ~1% of worlds might be habitable, look at our solar system, eight actual planets and countless planetoids (moons, dwarf planets, etc.) and only a single one is habitable, so all in all we only span around 1% of our solar system to be honest. even 'when' we expand to live on the moon and Mars, thats still not even scratching the surface of real estate available in the solar system.

look at it logically, they would have spanned the galaxy for a number of reasons. distance? not a problem, installation 00 is enormous (like 110,000 miles in diametre or something!) and thats a long long long way outside the galactic edge, so I think to say they didn't span the galaxy is a little on the bogus side to be honest.

Kepler findings initially estimated that there are over 50 billion terrestrial planets in this galaxy, with around 500 million being Earth-like.

A more recent analysis by NASA on these figures suggests an even larger number. At least 2 billion earth-like planets in this galaxy, which means many, many more non Earth-like planets.

Earth like planets are not just restricted to independent planets. Moons of gas giants orbiting in the habitable zones of their solar system also fall under this classification.

All these non Earth-like planets, for a civilisation as advanced as the Foerunner, could be easily terraformed into hospitable ones. Controlling 3 million worlds in the face of these statistics is nothing.

  • 04.02.2011 6:41 PM PDT

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  • 04.02.2011 7:03 PM PDT

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  • 04.02.2011 7:04 PM PDT

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  • 04.02.2011 7:08 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
that statement is bogus for one simple fact. their empire spanned three million worlds, how many habitable worlds are there in our galaxy, roughly would you say, would reckon ~1% of worlds might be habitable, look at our solar system, eight actual planets and countless planetoids (moons, dwarf planets, etc.) and only a single one is habitable, so all in all we only span around 1% of our solar system to be honest. even 'when' we expand to live on the moon and Mars, thats still not even scratching the surface of real estate available in the solar system.

look at it logically, they would have spanned the galaxy for a number of reasons. distance? not a problem, installation 00 is enormous (like 110,000 miles in diametre or something!) and thats a long long long way outside the galactic edge, so I think to say they didn't span the galaxy is a little on the bogus side to be honest.

Kepler findings initially estimated that there are over 50 billion terrestrial planets in this galaxy, with around 500 million being Earth-like.

A more recent analysis by NASA on these figures suggests an even larger number. At least 2 billion earth-like planets in this galaxy, which means many, many more non Earth-like planets.

Earth like planets are not just restricted to independent planets. Moons of gas giants orbiting in the habitable zones of their solar system also fall under this classification.

All these non Earth-like planets, for a civilisation as advanced as the Foerunner, could be easily terraformed into hospitable ones. Controlling 3 million worlds in the face of these statistics is nothing.


1) They are estimates

2) This isn't real life; I'm talking of territory, not the number of planets

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  • 04.02.2011 7:09 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

It's Marathon Mars.

  • 04.02.2011 7:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
1) They are estimates

They are estimates based on actual experimental observations. The deviations will exist where they have been extrapolated, but with the numbers that we are talking about they will hardly matter.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
2) This isn't real life;

"Suddenly, out of nowhere, Halo is no longer set in the Milky Way."

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I'm talking of territory, not the number of planets

There is absolutely no need for them to spread across the galaxy and stretch themselves so thin. 3 million worlds dispersed across the galaxy would leave worlds out in the middle of nowhere. Why bother going 50'000 light years from the core worlds when you can terraform the millions of planets right in front of those core worlds. Territory comes with planets. How can they have territory under their control if there is no permanent Forerunner presence near by?

Is it ever explicitly stated that they spanned the entire galaxy, having worlds at the four corners of it?

Bornstellar says that Earth was far from the Orion Complex, the place where he and his people came from. The Orion complex is 1'600 light years away. If that is far in terms of a Forerunner, then I seriously doubt that they are all over the place.

I think that people just do not understand how big and packed the Milky Way is.

  • 04.02.2011 7:44 PM PDT

Nope, it has neither tentacles nor is large enough. It has four arms and two legs.... and looks like a huge -blam- ing cockroach with a barbed tail. Sorry to say but I don't think it is Inferi Sententia (Gravemind)

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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
1) They are estimates

They are estimates based on actual experimental observations. The deviations will exist where they have been extrapolated, but with the numbers that we are talking about they will hardly matter.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
2) This isn't real life;

"Suddenly, out of nowhere, Halo is no longer set in the Milky Way."

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I'm talking of territory, not the number of planets

There is absolutely no need for them to spread across the galaxy and stretch themselves so thin. 3 million worlds dispersed across the galaxy would leave worlds out in the middle of nowhere. Why bother going 50'000 light years from the core worlds when you can terraform the millions of planets right in front of those core worlds. Territory comes with planets. How can they have territory under their control if there is no permanent Forerunner presence near by?

Is it ever explicitly stated that they spanned the entire galaxy, having worlds at the four corners of it?

Bornstellar says that Earth was far from the Orion Complex, the place where he and his people came from. The Orion complex is 1'600 light years away. If that is far in terms of a Forerunner, then I seriously doubt that they are all over the place.

I think that people just do not understand how big and packed the Milky Way is.


It would be so much fun if the forerunners were still around.
However, 343 Guilty spark claimed Chief and all other humans were forerunner, however Halo Cyptum suggests other wise...

  • 04.04.2011 2:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Didact Ambrose13
Nope, it has neither tentacles nor is large enough. It has four arms and two legs.... and looks like a huge -blam- ing cockroach with a barbed tail. Sorry to say but I don't think it is Inferi Sententia (Gravemind)


Your point being? The Gravemind has existed for a good long while, and it is usually composed of a massive ammount of biomass. I think that the Prisoner and the Gravemind can easily be the same, especially since few of the other Flood look much like the original creature after infection.

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Posted by: Didact Ambrose13
Nope, it has neither tentacles nor is large enough. It has four arms and two legs.... and looks like a huge -blam- ing cockroach with a barbed tail. Sorry to say but I don't think it is Inferi Sententia (Gravemind)


" Grey then thinks of what the infected prisoner would look like after being given to the flood, an image of the gravemind then pops into his head"

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Posted by: anton1792
Is it ever explicitly stated that they spanned the entire galaxy, having worlds at the four corners of it?

Regardless of where they lived, the forerunners seemed very capable of traveling to all four corners of the galaxy in nearly an instant.

Expansion would probably be done when the need would arise, i.e. overpopulation. Not to say that they couldn't skip over habitable planets for strategic reasons, much less I'd be willing to bet they controlled many more habitable planets than what they lived on for the aforementioned strategic reasons.

  • 04.04.2011 5:39 PM PDT

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