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Subject: UNSC In Amber Clad, Destroyer?

noticed a while ago whilst reading Ghosts of Onyx that In Amber Clad is referred to as a Destroyer, thought nothing of it, thought 'typo perhaps?' originally but upon looking at a picture of In Amber Clad recently can't help but notice the ship has two muzzles, one upper and one lower. now call me crazy but, two muzzles = two cannons? therefore Destroyer right? also upon further viewing the thing looks literally 'clad' in armour, much more so than the Frigates we have seen in Halo III onwards. don't you think that the ID should say DD-142 rather than FFG-142, nobody ever noticed the two muzzles? look at the following images to see what I mean, the first has two visible barrel openings, upper and lower, the second picture (Forward Unto Dawn) only has one barrel visible, upper and the lower part is covered with antennae.

http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/7/72/Frigate_3.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/1/1e/Forward_into_dawn.jp g

[Edited on 04.04.2011 6:21 PM PDT]

  • 04.04.2011 6:20 PM PDT
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It's just a typo in the book. Destroyers are much bigger.

  • 04.04.2011 6:26 PM PDT

they are only seven metres longer than frigate, Fall of Reach.

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Really? Do you mind citing it for me? Also, I see no second barrel opening on In Amber Clad on the lower prong of the "fork".

  • 04.04.2011 6:28 PM PDT

http://bungie.me/sig/noble/Stealth+Fox74.png

i always thought it as a frigate simply because... idk. wondering if it ever can close to delta halo. or anything else

  • 04.04.2011 6:30 PM PDT

think its Fall of Reach, page 139

also look at the first picture (In Amber Clad) the top and bottom 'prongs' are also virtually identical in dimensions, where-as the frigate bottom prong is notable thinner, different shaped to the top prong. its not greatest picture (pretty much down to technology limitations) but there is a rectangular part on the front of each prong with a dark circle in the middle, those are supposed to be the muzzles I think. the top one matches up more or less exactly with those on Frigates (seen firing in Halo III), also worth noting In Amber Clad looks notably different visually from Frigates as well, the armour coverage looks higher, there are less nooks and crannies, further hinting toward it being a Destroyer.

  • 04.04.2011 6:34 PM PDT
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IDK, I think it was just a tiny redesign of the Frigate.

Destroyers, I'm sure, look much different than a frigate.

I think there's a cutscene where Cortana mentions it being a frigate.

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Found a pic of a Destroyer. It was just a typo like I thought.

Destroyer

[Edited on 04.05.2011 4:43 AM PDT]

  • 04.05.2011 4:43 AM PDT


Posted by: Onyx81
It's just a typo in the book. Destroyers are much bigger.


One class of destroyer is only 7m longer than a frigate and is widely accepted to be based on the frigate hull deisgn.

The other class, "Heart_of_Midlothian" type, appears much bigger and heavily armoured.


My vote goes to In Amber Clad being an older class of destoryer.

Edit: It's possible it was re-designated as a frigate. Weather it be political (frigates require less authorisation from command to use?) logistical (it's a frigate with two guns, why the difference?) or simply because it was obsolete as a destroyer with the introduction are newer types and was given a new role for the duration of the covenant war.

[Edited on 04.05.2011 4:51 AM PDT]

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IMO if it is in fact a Destroyer. It's really, really, stupid. Why does a Destroyer have to look exactly like Frigate?

If it is in fact similar to a Frigate, I'm going to assume that a heavily armored Frigate is a Destroyer like the one in the picture. I still believe that In Amber Clad is a Frigate. All my sources I have point to It being a Frigate.

EDIT: I understand that it's only seven meters longer than a Frigate. But with a Frigate and a Destroyer not being the same, I expect it to look different.

[Edited on 04.05.2011 5:22 AM PDT]

  • 04.05.2011 5:19 AM PDT

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Diffrent classes of frigate...


Clad was a heavy frigate
Dawn is a normal frigate

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Posted by: ferrrari
Diffrent classes of frigate...


Clad was a heavy frigate
Dawn is a normal frigate
I know this. But were talking about wether Clad is a destroyer or not.

  • 04.05.2011 5:22 AM PDT

Grafton was a Heavy Frigate, Clad both looks different, has two visible MAC barrels and fits into the 'Destroyer' description perfectly well, also note Grafton had one MAC as well, not two.

to the person saying 'why do they look alike...' if I posted right now a picture of a modern destroyer and a modern frigate, would you instantly be able to tell which one is which, keep in mind they look very very similar.

personally don't consider Halo: Legends 'authentic', since Heart of whatever its called is from that abomination don't tend to think of that as a Destroyer, plus it looks nothing like ships we have seen in Halo so far, they are all very functional, very 'chunky' looking, Heart of Midlothian looks too sharp, too streamlined to be a human ship to be honest. even Marathon class cruisers which are supposed to be top of the line ships, still look chunky and not streamlined at all, so I personally (just an opinion) see Heart of Midlothian as an anomaly in the Halo Universe, could imagine a Prowler might look like that, but just doesn't fit for a Destroyer for me.

Edit: also worth noting, maybe the Destroyer and the Frigate intentionally look similar. hiding a Destroyer in a group of Frigates, which one is the Destroyer...? gives the enemy a harder time attacking the strongest ship in the pack, just a thought. another thing worth mentioning, the 'cargo bay' style thing on In Amber Clad is much much thinner than those on the Frigates Forward Unto Dawn, suggesting it isn't even a cargo bay.

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  • 04.05.2011 10:03 AM PDT

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  • 04.05.2011 11:16 AM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
Grafton was a Heavy Frigate, Clad both looks different, has two visible MAC barrels and fits into the 'Destroyer' description perfectly well, also note Grafton had one MAC as well, not two.



No, he says "Frigate 318-heavy". As used today when referring to large aircraft. Large cargo planes and "jumbos". This does not mean it was a heavy frigate.

Oh, and heart of midlothian could be "clunky" under the armour plates. The Reach POA is quite streamlined and seems to have the "stand off" armour of smaller ships, albeit in a different configuration.

[Edited on 04.05.2011 11:20 AM PDT]

  • 04.05.2011 11:17 AM PDT

Halopedian is considered a legit source on here right?

http://www.halopedian.com/Grafton

the Midlothian probably is clunky under the armour, but it looks too much like a vulture jetbike from Starcraft, dunno just doesn't look like something the UNSC would create. here is a vulture for your too look at.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090705064354/starcraf t/images/8/8d/Vulture_SC2_Art1.jpg

  • 04.05.2011 11:32 AM PDT

I have an interesting take on this.

The In Amber Clad was able to deploy ODST HEV pods over delta halo (albeit of the older outdated type)

Forward Unto Dawn had to deploy forces over the Ark via dangerous pelican dropship, even in the middle of a huge space battle where one hit would take a whole squad of troopers which is exactly what happened in the cutscene. Even as John worked his way through the mountains and desert towards the cartographer, reinforcements he needed had to be deployed to his position via slower more dangerous pelican dropships, and at no point in halo 3 did i see any drop pods deployed, even though the frigate carried ODST troopers in its ranks. Thus i believe that the Dawn did not have the ability to deploy HEV pods, whereas the Clad certainly did.

This points to the Dawn really being a different type or class of ship to Amber Clad. I dont believe the Clad was a destroyer, both ships had FFG painted on the hull which means they were both frigates, along with apparently similar tonnage and design.

I believe the Clad was a Heavy Frigate and the Dawn was just a Frigate, the difference being size, armament and ability to deploy ODSTs.

  • 04.05.2011 12:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
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No. Cortana refers to In Amber Clad as a Frigate on High Charity when the Flood crashes it.

  • 04.05.2011 12:35 PM PDT


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
Halopedian is considered a legit source on here right?

http://www.halopedian.com/Grafton

the Midlothian probably is clunky under the armour, but it looks too much like a vulture jetbike from Starcraft, dunno just doesn't look like something the UNSC would create. here is a vulture for your too look at.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090705064354/starcraf t/images/8/8d/Vulture_SC2_Art1.jpg


Technically yes. :P I just interpret the "heavy" differently than those at halopedian. It is after all only a wiki. :P

I've always liked the midlothian's design so I'm biased. That said so much "artistic license" is taken across halo that it's hard to keep track of what everything is meant to look like.

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Can't everyone just face the fact that In Amber Clad is a Frigate?

They both looked nearly Identical, that would cause major problems in determining which one is which.

For example there could be two different jets that are the same size, but one could be better because it's packed with more firepower. I mean, what if a Porsche looked like a Honda? People would be annoyed because you can't tell the difference, where as in Halo your saying that a few tiny things could mean that a ship that looks like Frigate, is actually a Destroyer.

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  • 04.05.2011 1:01 PM PDT


Posted by: Onyx81
Can't everyone just face the fact that In Amber Clad is a Frigate?

They both looked nearly Identical, that would cause major problems in determining which one is which.

For example there could be two different jets that are the same size, but one could be better because it's packed with more firepower. I mean, what if a Porsche looked like a Honda? People would be annoyed because you can't tell the difference, where as in Halo your saying that a few tiny things could mean that a ship that looks like Frigate, is actually a Destroyer.


Nope.

I doubt identification is determined on what it looks like. IFF tags and callsigns are for that.

Here is a more acceptable example
http://hawaii.hawaii.edu/wwwwriting/E60F98/Studentsandproject s/Baker/Image1.gif
http://www.defpro.com/data/gfx/news/c6ab3059e5ae0c452d882d930 b5eda9bacc81689_big.jpg


Which is the Destroyer and which is the Frigate? No cheating. For all intents and purposes they are identical. Both have a sharp angled hull, bridge, mast and fore mounted cannon.

  • 04.05.2011 1:12 PM PDT

cheers for posting those examples, would be inclined to say the second is the frigate? due to the F214 on the hull, Frigate 214? otherwise you cannot tell, there are no visible features that say 'this is a Frigate...' or 'this is a Destroyer...' why should ships in the Halo Universe be any different.

the biggest bug is the fact that In Amber Clad clearly has two barrels on the front two prongs, now we know from the novels that Destroyers have two MAC and are marginally larger than Frigates. I am well aware that In Amber Clad is 'called' a Frigate, but is the model a Frigate or a Destroyer, that is the question I was proposing.

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Very well, you have defeated me.

I think it was modeled after a Frigate because of the FFG on it and the fact that Halo 2 came first.

I don't see a barrel on either prong btw.

I think I'm going to have to Email Nylund...


[Edited on 04.05.2011 8:24 PM PDT]

  • 04.05.2011 7:44 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

The In Amber Clad's hull classification begins with FFG, which automatically makes it a frigate.

  • 04.05.2011 8:27 PM PDT

I noticed this while comparing the Clad and the Grafton.
They both look very similar, with the thin rear and thinner looking 'wings', while the Dawn is thicker in both (or maybe that's just my perception).

Either way, I think the Clad is just a Heavy Frigate, while that 'second barrel' is just a trick of the light or something.

  • 04.05.2011 8:54 PM PDT

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