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Subject: UNSC In Amber Clad, Destroyer?

In Amber Clad's lower prong is used by Johnson and Miranda to enter the ship on Cairo Station.

  • 04.06.2011 1:43 AM PDT

You guys are making me get out my HALO: Encyclopedia arent you? Ugh fine *skims through pages* Ok in Amber Clad is a UNSC Frigate

  • 04.06.2011 1:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: Winddniw14
You guys are making me get out my HALO: Encyclopedia arent you? Ugh fine *skims through pages* Ok in Amber Clad is a UNSC Frigate

That settles that.

  • 04.06.2011 3:00 AM PDT

In Amber Clad is a Frigate ( And possibly a Heavy Frigate as its Halopedian page states, as it has the smaller Hanger Bay and makes sense given Miranda Keyes rank and respect in the Navy ).

Heart of Midlothian is also the same type of Destroyer mentioned, look at its length in its Halopedian page, its 1,590 feet long. It's just much more heavily armed and armored.



  • 04.06.2011 4:49 AM PDT


Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: Winddniw14
You guys are making me get out my HALO: Encyclopedia arent you? Ugh fine *skims through pages* Ok in Amber Clad is a UNSC Frigate

That settles that.


The Halo: Enclyclopedia states the AR has a maximum 300m range. Given the tech the UNSC have, and what they have been shown to do they should be able to hit a target at 600-800m without optics.

Again I restate, In Amber Clad could be a re-designated destroyer. Any OiC in his right mind would jump at the chance to give greater firepower to smaller frigate packs and ultimately the "guys on the ground".
Red tape surrounds everything, making a hole in it to pretned your destroyer is a frigate is a good way to bypass it all together.


@PLUT0NIUM 235, yeah trying to find a picture of a frigate that didn't have "FRIGATE" in the url was a pain, so I had to settle on the one wiht hull markings. XD Your right though, apart from the frigate being larger (as it customary) they are very very similar.

  • 04.06.2011 4:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
I noticed this while comparing the Clad and the Grafton.
They both look very similar, with the thin rear and thinner looking 'wings', while the Dawn is thicker in both (or maybe that's just my perception).

Either way, I think the Clad is just a Heavy Frigate, while that 'second barrel' is just a trick of the light or something.
This.

Also, I don't see any barrel on the In Amber Clad.

  • 04.06.2011 1:06 PM PDT

I say it's a heavy frigate

  • 04.06.2011 1:14 PM PDT

look at the original picture I posted, the 'muzzle' is directly (literally) right of that blue looking thing on the top prong, looks like a dark circle inside of a rounded rectangle, that is the exact same place the MAC barrel is on a Frigate, Fall of Reach clearly shows this, also Halo III when the Frigate fires at the Dreadnought, it comes from that approx. location on the top prong. right now, look at the lower prong, it is identical but inverted, it has the exact same 'muzzle' as the upper prong, the picture is held back by the graphics of the time but upon logical deduction, that is another MAC?

also the blue thing on the top prong is the airlock used to enter and exit the craft. also Frigates airlocks are around half way down the ship, on the 'tower' below the bridge, one on each side.

  • 04.06.2011 4:56 PM PDT
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I still don't see it, sorry. I know where it's supposed to come from though. However, with no direct image of In Amber Clad from the front, i can't even tell if there is a MAC on that thing.

  • 04.06.2011 5:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: Winddniw14
You guys are making me get out my HALO: Encyclopedia arent you? Ugh fine *skims through pages* Ok in Amber Clad is a UNSC Frigate

That settles that.


The Halo: Enclyclopedia states the AR has a maximum 300m range. Given the tech the UNSC have, and what they have been shown to do they should be able to hit a target at 600-800m without optics.

Again I restate, In Amber Clad could be a re-designated destroyer. Any OiC in his right mind would jump at the chance to give greater firepower to smaller frigate packs and ultimately the "guys on the ground".
Red tape surrounds everything, making a hole in it to pretned your destroyer is a frigate is a good way to bypass it all together.


@PLUT0NIUM 235, yeah trying to find a picture of a frigate that didn't have "FRIGATE" in the url was a pain, so I had to settle on the one wiht hull markings. XD Your right though, apart from the frigate being larger (as it customary) they are very very similar.
It is that Range. Read Contact Harvest. Also that's the maximum accuracy of the AR, so it can fire way farther.

  • 04.06.2011 5:10 PM PDT

Did anyone not read my post or something. Also the encyclopaedia is not a definitive information source which is very unfortunate.

  • 04.06.2011 6:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
think its Fall of Reach, page 139

also look at the first picture (In Amber Clad) the top and bottom 'prongs' are also virtually identical in dimensions, where-as the frigate bottom prong is notable thinner, different shaped to the top prong. its not greatest picture (pretty much down to technology limitations) but there is a rectangular part on the front of each prong with a dark circle in the middle, those are supposed to be the muzzles I think. the top one matches up more or less exactly with those on Frigates (seen firing in Halo III), also worth noting In Amber Clad looks notably different visually from Frigates as well, the armour coverage looks higher, there are less nooks and crannies, further hinting toward it being a Destroyer.

It was Halo 2. They didn't have the techology to make it thinner.

  • 04.06.2011 10:39 PM PDT


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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: Winddniw14
You guys are making me get out my HALO: Encyclopedia arent you? Ugh fine *skims through pages* Ok in Amber Clad is a UNSC Frigate

That settles that.


The Halo: Enclyclopedia states the AR has a maximum 300m range. Given the tech the UNSC have, and what they have been shown to do they should be able to hit a target at 600-800m without optics.

Again I restate, In Amber Clad could be a re-designated destroyer. Any OiC in his right mind would jump at the chance to give greater firepower to smaller frigate packs and ultimately the "guys on the ground".
Red tape surrounds everything, making a hole in it to pretned your destroyer is a frigate is a good way to bypass it all together.


@PLUT0NIUM 235, yeah trying to find a picture of a frigate that didn't have "FRIGATE" in the url was a pain, so I had to settle on the one wiht hull markings. XD Your right though, apart from the frigate being larger (as it customary) they are very very similar.
It is that Range. Read Contact Harvest. Also that's the maximum accuracy of the AR, so it can fire way farther.


And it's a bollocks range. I can out-perform the UNSC, and I'm far from a marksman, nor equipped with an uber-sight that projects where my bullets will hit, nor advanced recoil dampening systems.

My point is, the "facts" we are given bare no resemblence to the technology that they refer to. I'm inclined to believe solid observations over so-called "facts" presented.


Side note: This is why my interpretation of the Haloverse looks nothing like the one we know. XD

  • 04.07.2011 1:36 AM PDT
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Frigates have always had two 'muzzles', haven't they?.

Destroyers are typically 'flatter', aren't they?

[Edited on 04.07.2011 4:15 AM PDT]

  • 04.07.2011 4:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: Winddniw14
You guys are making me get out my HALO: Encyclopedia arent you? Ugh fine *skims through pages* Ok in Amber Clad is a UNSC Frigate

That settles that.


The Halo: Enclyclopedia states the AR has a maximum 300m range. Given the tech the UNSC have, and what they have been shown to do they should be able to hit a target at 600-800m without optics.

Again I restate, In Amber Clad could be a re-designated destroyer. Any OiC in his right mind would jump at the chance to give greater firepower to smaller frigate packs and ultimately the "guys on the ground".
Red tape surrounds everything, making a hole in it to pretned your destroyer is a frigate is a good way to bypass it all together.


@PLUT0NIUM 235, yeah trying to find a picture of a frigate that didn't have "FRIGATE" in the url was a pain, so I had to settle on the one wiht hull markings. XD Your right though, apart from the frigate being larger (as it customary) they are very very similar.
It is that Range. Read Contact Harvest. Also that's the maximum accuracy of the AR, so it can fire way farther.


And it's a bollocks range. I can out-perform the UNSC, and I'm far from a marksman, nor equipped with an uber-sight that projects where my bullets will hit, nor advanced recoil dampening systems.

My point is, the "facts" we are given bare no resemblence to the technology that they refer to. I'm inclined to believe solid observations over so-called "facts" presented.


Side note: This is why my interpretation of the Haloverse looks nothing like the one we know. XD
You must remember though that Gameplay doesn't represent the actual canon very well. Also, it doesn't predict where you bullets will hit, it just shows you the exact location you are pointing the gun at.

Also, there was a thread that compared known facts about the AR and M4, and the AR was determined to be better.

  • 04.07.2011 4:29 AM PDT

Posted by: ZedFish
Frigates have always had two 'muzzles', haven't they?.

Destroyers are typically 'flatter', aren't they?


no, they have always had two prongs, but always only a single muzzle, top prong about 1/3 of the way up. In Amber Clad has two almost identical prongs (unlike the Frigate where the bottom one is significantly different from the top one) and two muzzles, basically in mirrored locations.

don't think it is simply down to the technology of the day, they had no problems making any other 'shapes' and such, so can only assume it is intentional. also goes back to the reference in Ghost of Onyx of Clad being a Destroyer.

also with regard to the quote about Destroyers being flatter, no real description has ever been given about what a Destroyer actually looks like, only that they are heavier armoured than the Frigate and they are only seven metres longer, but nothing other than that. hence the assumption that maybe Destroyers and Frigates infact look very very similar, less obvious to the enemy and probably increases the ease of manufacture, if both types of ship share a lot of common dimensions and what not. from a military point of view the Frigate and Destroyer design sharing seems incredibly logical, rather than confusing, not sure why it would be confusing.

  • 04.07.2011 12:04 PM PDT

the MA5B, the one from Halo: Combat Evolved is better than an M4 for a couple of reasons, one it has larger magazine and probably a higher cyclic rate, second is it is clearly a bullpup design so more likely higher accuracy and three it uses larger calibre rounds also, the stated range of ~300 metres is so far beyond balls its unbelievable. not to mention in the time from now to the Halo date more efficient propellants have probably been implimented, increasing muzzle velocity.

  • 04.07.2011 12:09 PM PDT

That picture of the in amber clad doesn't show the 'two barrels' clearly.

Even then just because the upper and lower parts are same size doesn't mean they are both barrels.

And the fact that was the very first ingame frigate shown. It's going to look different from halo 3 or halo Reach frigates.

edit: The concept art of the frigate back then had both prongs the same size. It's simply called when they first created it they probably mirrored the top and bottom to save some work. Then when Halo 3 came along they changed the design to look better.

Theory on my part.

[Edited on 04.07.2011 12:23 PM PDT]

  • 04.07.2011 12:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I don't see what the issue is.

It is a frigate, heavy frigate at the most.

  • 04.07.2011 12:20 PM PDT

on another note, what you guys think a carrier looks like? chunky like cruisers or something else? also why does the fleet appear to have so few carriers, sure most of them were destroyed without a doubt in the earlier years of the war. but so few are ever mentioned surely history tells us that carriers are more potent than any other classification of ship, just look at modern naval warfare where carriers have surpassed all other surface ships in potential force application, except perhaps submarines.

  • 04.07.2011 12:27 PM PDT

M4A1, 5.56mm Nato - 55 grains, 987.6m/s = 1282 fpe at muzzle.
L1A1 SLR, 7.62mm Nato - 150 grains, 859.5m/s = 2649 fpe at muzzle.
MA37, 7.62mm UNSC- 250 grains, 905m/s = 4893 fpe at muzzle.

Bullet weight for MA37 is guesstimate using a tungsten core, which seems logical as the UNSC seem to have a reliance on tungsten for their weapons.

I know I'm completely off topic here but I'm attempting to prove is that what we can observe about the UNSC seems more plausible than the "facts" provided to us, and by extention the observed second barrel makes the 'Clad' a former destroyer. =D

Edit: I assume carriers look like halcyons (given the long hull life of such a ship) but bigger, bulkier and with "wingy-bits" like the Spirit of Fire.

[Edited on 04.08.2011 6:18 AM PDT]

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