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Posted by: Ben2974
Yeah, that's what practice does, dude. It basically hones all of that "subconscious mathematics" stuff that you're talking about. It's like playing any sport. Practice and adaption are applicable to anything.
Exactly, that's what I was saying. I was explaining as to why the lead on Halo PC isn't something that is simply random. I wasn't comparing it to anything.

If I make a post explaining the difficulty of one game, and the science behind it in this case, it doesn't mean I'm dampening the difficulty of another. I'm not one to throw one game under the bus while enjoying another. I'm not with the Halo PC fanboys, I'm not with the Halo 2 fanboys, I'm not with the Halo 3 fanboys, and I'm not with the Halo: Reach fanboys. I'm with the "Hey, I like video games" fanboys. I enjoy each game for their individual qualities.

[Edited on 05.27.2011 12:10 AM PDT]

  • 05.27.2011 12:07 AM PDT

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I guess you sort of let me off with the wrong hook when you said

"Don't take this personally, i'm not aiming this at you, but it's a matter of IQ."

  • 05.27.2011 12:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ben2974
I guess you sort of let me off with the wrong hook when you said

"Don't take this personally, i'm not aiming this at you, but it's a matter of IQ."

It is. The greater the IQ you have the easier/faster it will come to you with doing all of the subconscious Math. That's why when testing for IQ you're put on a bit of a timer while figuring out certain things. It's reading how much is done through thought against subconscious thought. I'm not calling people dumb for being a poor Halo PC player, I'm just stating the science behind it. That's why I emphasized so heavily on not taking it personally.

[Edited on 05.27.2011 12:14 AM PDT]

  • 05.27.2011 12:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Ben2974
I guess you sort of let me off with the wrong hook when you said

"Don't take this personally, i'm not aiming this at you, but it's a matter of IQ."

It is. The greater the IQ you have the easier/faster it will come to you with doing all of the subconscious Math. That's why when testing for IQ you're put on a bit of a timer while figuring out certain things. It's reading how much is done through thought against subconscious thought. I'm not calling people dumb for being a poor Halo PC player, I'm just stating the science behind it.


The thing is that it looked as if you tried to single out Halo PC with this concept. There is only one different thing you have to do in Halo PC. And practically every fps game has some sort of difference in targeting, so every game takes the same IQ in order to do well. In Halo PC's case, point your reticle 3 feet away, left or right, in stead of on target. You realize this, and then getting good at the game will take just as slow or long as any other game, depending on your devotion to the game.

Then again, you're right in a way, but not to single out Halo PC. That's why you see some who are better than others, etc, because...I guess they have a higher IQ. So that makes sense because that's why you see others having to try harder in order to be as good as other experts.

[Edited on 05.27.2011 12:26 AM PDT]

  • 05.27.2011 12:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ben2974
The thing is that it looked as if you tried to single out Halo PC with this concept. There is only one different thing you have to do in Halo PC. And practically every fps game has some sort of difference in targeting, so every game takes the same IQ in order to do well. In Halo PC's case, point your reticle 3 feet away, left or right, in stead of on target. You realize this, and then getting good at the game will take just as slow or long as any other game, depending on your devotion to the game.
Again, I really wasn't comparing it to anything else. I was singling out Halo PC because the issue was an issue that is present on that specific game. Not to discourage the idea that it takes IQ to perfect other games as well.

Then again, you're right in a way, but not to single out Halo PC. That's why you see some who are better than others, etc, because...I guess they have a higher IQ. So that makes sense because that's why you see others having to try harder in order to be as good as other experts. Exactly right

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  • 05.27.2011 12:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: Ben2974
The thing is that it looked as if you tried to single out Halo PC with this concept. There is only one different thing you have to do in Halo PC. And practically every fps game has some sort of difference in targeting, so every game takes the same IQ in order to do well. In Halo PC's case, point your reticle 3 feet away, left or right, in stead of on target. You realize this, and then getting good at the game will take just as slow or long as any other game, depending on your devotion to the game.
Again, I really wasn't comparing it to anything else. I was singling out Halo PC because the issue was an issue that is present on that specific game. Not to discourage the idea that it takes higher IQ to perfect other games as well.

Then again, you're right in a way, but not to single out Halo PC. That's why you see some who are better than others, etc, because...I guess they have a higher IQ. So that makes sense because that's why you see others having to try harder in order to be as good as other experts. Exactly right


Ultimately, it looks like I wasn't able to correlate "subconscious mathematics" with practice/adaption.

My bad for this scuffle. :p

  • 05.27.2011 12:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ben2974
Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Ben2974
The thing is that it looked as if you tried to single out Halo PC with this concept. There is only one different thing you have to do in Halo PC. And practically every fps game has some sort of difference in targeting, so every game takes the same IQ in order to do well. In Halo PC's case, point your reticle 3 feet away, left or right, in stead of on target. You realize this, and then getting good at the game will take just as slow or long as any other game, depending on your devotion to the game.
Again, I really wasn't comparing it to anything else. I was singling out Halo PC because the issue was an issue that is present on that specific game. Not to discourage the idea that it takes higher IQ to perfect other games as well.

Then again, you're right in a way, but not to single out Halo PC. That's why you see some who are better than others, etc, because...I guess they have a higher IQ. So that makes sense because that's why you see others having to try harder in order to be as good as other experts. Exactly right


Ultimately, it looks like I wasn't able to correlate "subconscious mathematics" with practice/adaption.

My bad for this scuffle. :p
No problem xD I don't take forum discussion personally (:

  • 05.27.2011 12:38 AM PDT

Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Ben2974
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Posted by: TetriS fer dayz
*try*
I've been playing Halo PC for 7 years and I know for a fact that it's more than trying. It's annoying as -blam!- at first, but, you just have to measure your lead. Don't take this personally, I'm not aiming this at you, but, it's a matter of IQ. Being able to do the math in your head without truly thinking about it while under pressure.


Can you explain this. I'd love an explanation to your mathematical approach to shooting a guy with a mouse/keyboard. Doing trig in your head? lmao .__. sorry this is your first irrational post that I think is ridiculous. It only takes practice, like any other game


Also I agree with tetris. There's no such thing as a fps that takes no skill. Just plain hating against halo 2 its ridiculous. And Halo 3? Why do you think MLG became so popular when Halo 2 came out?
Woooooah, hold on, this is not me comparing Halo: Combat Evolved to Halo 2. If you've ever been taught about subconscious Mathmatics in association with targeting projectiles in the human mind, you'd know that within the human brain there is an instinct (From when humans were primarily hunters) that allows for complicated math to be done subconsciously. When you throw a baseball your mind has to go through the variables in calculating things such as wind speed, distance, and gravity. You might not know it, but it's all there. With practice you become better with it. This all applies to Halo PC's leading. You have to get used to it. Adjust yourself to it.

It's nothing irrational, it's Neuroscience and Mathmatics.

There's no mathematics involved, unless professional baseball players happened to subconsciously memorize high level physics equations. You can't do the math if you don't even know the numbers. I think it's more of trial and error and adaption.

  • 05.27.2011 4:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: PufTheMgicDingo
There's no mathematics involved, unless professional baseball players happened to subconsciously memorize high level physics equations. You can't do the math if you don't even know the numbers. I think it's more of trial and error and adaption.
I already explained it in previous posts. It's all instinct that we gathered when humans were primarily hunters. Same reason our eyes are at the front of our head, to be able to measure the depth of field.

The great thing is that you don't have to know the complicated equations. Your brain subconsciously works it out. There's more subconscious thinking than actual thinking that goes on in your head whether you know it or not.

[Edited on 05.27.2011 8:20 AM PDT]

  • 05.27.2011 7:16 AM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Posted by: Ben2974
A huge load of unintelligible blathering

Typical. Umad cause ubad. :)

And oh look, more lying at the end. I knew I should have recorded. Showing everyone just how awful you are would have been a lot of fun. I shouldn't have been so lazy. :(

  • 05.27.2011 8:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: PufTheMgicDingo
Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: Ben2974
Posted by: Dr Syx

Posted by: TetriS fer dayz
*try*
I've been playing Halo PC for 7 years and I know for a fact that it's more than trying. It's annoying as -blam!- at first, but, you just have to measure your lead. Don't take this personally, I'm not aiming this at you, but, it's a matter of IQ. Being able to do the math in your head without truly thinking about it while under pressure.


Can you explain this. I'd love an explanation to your mathematical approach to shooting a guy with a mouse/keyboard. Doing trig in your head? lmao .__. sorry this is your first irrational post that I think is ridiculous. It only takes practice, like any other game


Also I agree with tetris. There's no such thing as a fps that takes no skill. Just plain hating against halo 2 its ridiculous. And Halo 3? Why do you think MLG became so popular when Halo 2 came out?
Woooooah, hold on, this is not me comparing Halo: Combat Evolved to Halo 2. If you've ever been taught about subconscious Mathmatics in association with targeting projectiles in the human mind, you'd know that within the human brain there is an instinct (From when humans were primarily hunters) that allows for complicated math to be done subconsciously. When you throw a baseball your mind has to go through the variables in calculating things such as wind speed, distance, and gravity. You might not know it, but it's all there. With practice you become better with it. This all applies to Halo PC's leading. You have to get used to it. Adjust yourself to it.

It's nothing irrational, it's Neuroscience and Mathmatics.

There's no mathematics involved, unless professional baseball players happened to subconsciously memorize high level physics equations. You can't do the math if you don't even know the numbers. I think it's more of trial and error and adaption.



He just tried explaining why for some people, it's harder to adapt to Halo CE than others, helping to reinforce the fact that less people understand the mechanics of targeting in Halo CE with the netcode and stuff.

if you make two people, who both have never played a video game in their lives, play Halo CE and tell them that you have to hit a certain distance to the left or the right of them, one of them will be better than the other faster just because of their ability to do "subconscious math" quicker.

But the point is that it doesn't matter the level of your IQ, because with any amount of training/practice/whatever you want to call it, you can be as good or even better than the other guy with higher IQ.

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I think this sums it, lol

  • 05.27.2011 9:03 AM PDT

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nvm

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  • 05.27.2011 9:14 AM PDT

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Hey, I'm TetriS/r4v3n/Ryx. I've been modding Halo 1 pc since late 2008-2009, and playing Halo 2 Vista since summer of 2010. If you need any help with Halo 1 modding, just ask; I haven't modded in a while but I remember most of it.

I'm always up for a h2v game; message i4Ni TetriS and I'll get back to you.

Leading isn't IQ. I quickly picked up on exactly how much to lead, and got good with it. The real problem is guessing where your opponent it going. And if they're strafing correctly and a semi-good player, you shouldn't be able to guess there every move to a few inches. How the hell is guessing IQ?

"Hmm.... I'm smart so I predict he'll move right" "No wait make that left".

A good player is unpredictable and doesn't make a routine of things.

  • 06.06.2011 10:40 PM PDT

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Eh, the player moves slow enough that you don't have to guess the next move....cuz ur bullet is still fast enough to hit them.

  • 06.09.2011 10:35 AM PDT

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Hey, I'm TetriS/r4v3n/Ryx. I've been modding Halo 1 pc since late 2008-2009, and playing Halo 2 Vista since summer of 2010. If you need any help with Halo 1 modding, just ask; I haven't modded in a while but I remember most of it.

I'm always up for a h2v game; message i4Ni TetriS and I'll get back to you.

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